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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

15 Jan 2015

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Attendees

Present
David_MacDonald, janina, paulc, chaals, ShaneM, Joanmarie_Diggs, Sam, Adrian_Roselli, Liam, JF, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey
Regrets
MarkS
Chair
chaals
Scribe
david, chaals

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 15 January 2015

keyboard discussions - where to continue

<chaals> CMN: Talked to Robin who supported making a keyboard access module…

<David> test

<David> Ok

<chaals> … also suggested we have the discussiuons directly in HTML-WG.

<chaals> JS: Troubles me to hear this characterised as a keyboard discussion, I think we mean more.

<inserted> scribe: david

JS: We should a short name that goes beyond keybaord

<chaals> … have the accesskey-related stuff, also mentioned to revisit tabindex…

<paulc> Exactly what sections of HTML5 are we talking about clustering together into a module?

CM: We are following accesskey

There are things we need to do with Accesskey

<paulc> Accesskey is in the section http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#assigning-keyboard-shortcuts

<paulc> 7.5 Assigning keyboard shortcuts

CM: discussions about tabindes... in materials in there it points out that tabindex should not be used in isoloation

Things that affect focus ...

The most common is tab...

<paulc> And 7.4.1 Sequential focus navigation and the tabindex attribute http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#sequential-focus-navigation-and-the-tabindex-attribute

JF: concerned about focus managemnt.

related... focus has to visible

CM: let's not tweak working in 12 people group
... its about moving around rather than finding where we've moved around

<paulc> Section 7.4 Focus http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#focus includes the sub-section on tabindex

CM: useful to gather information on TF, but others are stakeholders... we're all HTML... to be TF memebers
... concerns are bugs in wiki and wishlist... standard way... would be to work in TF, maining list, and when we come up a replacement module... then throw it fence...
... alternative, use HTML WG list instead of TF list

RS: that's fine with me, will get more HTML participation

s/fone/fine

bug 27787 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27787

<chaals> ACTION: chaals to set the focus management discussion up in HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Set the focus management discussion up in html wg [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-01-22].

CM: We have a bug and no triage TF... Image map focus os a mess in most UA's.

JS: option 3 in bug

JF: Option 3

CM: I suggest same solution as rodney
... IN IE presented links both,in Blink you get the image map in middle of page, on FF first time you reach image you get links first time but not again... I haven't test this

JF: agree its a bug... is it a bug against spec of browsers?

CM: spec doesn't say when they have to do it

JS: can we come up with another solution for image maps to skip over it
... you can treat it as a group, jump into it for details or skip over it

CM: My old browser 10 yeats ago let me jump over... we could hand it off to browsers

just got dropped

<chaals> scribe: chaals

CMN: HTML doesn't like telling browsers what to do.

… we can decide either way, but should be aware of the issues. We can also add a best prcatice note.

<David> back... got dropped...

JF: Seems like this is editorial, we could suggest some simple changes. Don't know if we need to test in browsers.

<David> scribe: David

<chaals> JS: Not trying ot get a must, just convey that there is a real value in not being forced to tab through everything linearly and groups are helpful where they make sense.

<JF> acjk j

CM: FF decided not to repeat the set of links in an image map...

Iam: Need more generic solution

<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to comment about the Gecko behavior

Ian: Need more generic solution

Joanie: Trident behaviour makes most sense

Longdesc spec…

<inserted> JS: Please remind AC reps you know to submit their review before the deadline tomorrow night

longdesc spec

CM: Wishlist
... focus management, panels and panelset
... please look at it and consider kicking them along....

DM: Footnotes

JF: I'll join you

JS: Groupable or escapable structures in focus management discussion

action item review

<chaals> open action items

<chaals> action-92?

<trackbot> action-92 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers -- due 2014-12-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/92

RS: Action 92 highlevel canvas, grammar and spell checker, must be old...plan was that we were not going to dk that in cnavas...

CM: there is an editing task force, but they are not working on Cnavas, not expecting people to do that... but some people are doing text in canvas....

<chaals> action-92, due in 2 weeks

<chaals> action-92 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-92 Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers due date to 2015-01-29.

RS: do we want to do this in the webapp WG... I can do that, not today... be happy with 10 lines... I can probably do it next week... got SVP APPI mappings, HTML API mappings, we are slammed...
... post to the TF, HTML, Editing...?

CM: I'll find it and post it and check off you action item

<scribe> ACTION: David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dbolter, dmacdona).

<chaals> close action-293

<trackbot> Closed action-293.

<chaals> close action-228

<trackbot> Closed action-228.

dmacdona David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist,

<chaals> action-226 on chaals

<scribe> ACTION:David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, for footnotes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]

keyboard accessibility

JS: WAI coordination, INDIE UI, ARIA, and HTML overlap need to sort out

JF: Not a fan of accesskey, they are fundamentally broken... tons of issues around them in the wild... perhaps we should stop, and look back and start clean and fresh

CM: i'm going to next WAI cordination to talk about this, to invite people to join discussion
... SVG, I haven't talked to them yet... I see bad implementations
... I'm biased to not inventing new things, rather fix the old one
... Rather than we tell each other not to work on stuff but let's individually work on our stuff and have proposals and see which one emerges
... let's break early and update the wiki..

Aria Accessibility Mapping - coming up for publication, expect review requests

<paulc> Is that a First Public Working Draft?

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html

RS: we are looking to release public work draft of api mapping guides in February...http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html

<paulc> Which WG(s) are publishing the document(s)?

<richardschwerdtfeger> Mappings for SVG

RS:

<richardschwerdtfeger> The core mappings (now more language-independent)

RS:

<richardschwerdtfeger> AccessibleName computation

<paulc> "This document was developed by and with the approval of the HTML Accessibility Taskforce, a joint task force of the Protocols and Formats Working Group and the HTML Working Group."

<chaals> ACTION: chaals to work with RichS and make sure HTML/TF know about plans for accessiiblity mapping documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Work with richs and make sure html/tf know about plans for accessiiblity mapping documents. [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-01-22].

PaulC: It's really a heartbeat

JS: Not really because it's new, and has new name etc...
... We have lot's of st
... lot's to do before first working group

CM: always good to notify people as early as possible

PAULC: It says 1.1

JS: that's a mistake

<chaals> rrasgent, draft minutes

<chaals> s/Topic: Aria Accessibility Mapping - coming up for publication, expect review requests//

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chaals to set the focus management discussion up in HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: chaals to work with RichS and make sure HTML/TF know about plans for accessiiblity mapping documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, for footnotes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]
 
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