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<trackbot> Date: 15 January 2015
<chaals> CMN: Talked to Robin who supported making a keyboard access module…
<David> test
<David> Ok
<chaals> … also suggested we have the discussiuons directly in HTML-WG.
<chaals> JS: Troubles me to hear this characterised as a keyboard discussion, I think we mean more.
<inserted> scribe: david
JS: We should a short name that goes beyond keybaord
<chaals> … have the accesskey-related stuff, also mentioned to revisit tabindex…
<paulc> Exactly what sections of HTML5 are we talking about clustering together into a module?
CM: We are following accesskey
There are things we need to do with Accesskey
<paulc> Accesskey is in the section http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#assigning-keyboard-shortcuts
<paulc> 7.5 Assigning keyboard shortcuts
CM: discussions about tabindes... in materials in there it points out that tabindex should not be used in isoloation
Things that affect focus ...
The most common is tab...
<paulc> And 7.4.1 Sequential focus navigation and the tabindex attribute http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#sequential-focus-navigation-and-the-tabindex-attribute
JF: concerned about focus managemnt.
related... focus has to visible
CM: let's not tweak working in 12
people group
... its about moving around rather than finding where we've
moved around
<paulc> Section 7.4 Focus http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#focus includes the sub-section on tabindex
CM: useful to gather information
on TF, but others are stakeholders... we're all HTML... to be
TF memebers
... concerns are bugs in wiki and wishlist... standard way...
would be to work in TF, maining list, and when we come up a
replacement module... then throw it fence...
... alternative, use HTML WG list instead of TF list
RS: that's fine with me, will get more HTML participation
s/fone/fine
<chaals> ACTION: chaals to set the focus management discussion up in HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Set the focus management discussion up in html wg [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-01-22].
CM: We have a bug and no triage TF... Image map focus os a mess in most UA's.
JS: option 3 in bug
JF: Option 3
CM: I suggest same solution as
rodney
... IN IE presented links both,in Blink you get the image map
in middle of page, on FF first time you reach image you get
links first time but not again... I haven't test this
JF: agree its a bug... is it a bug against spec of browsers?
CM: spec doesn't say when they have to do it
JS: can we come up with another
solution for image maps to skip over it
... you can treat it as a group, jump into it for details or
skip over it
CM: My old browser 10 yeats ago let me jump over... we could hand it off to browsers
just got dropped
<chaals> scribe: chaals
CMN: HTML doesn't like telling browsers what to do.
… we can decide either way, but should be aware of the issues. We can also add a best prcatice note.
<David> back... got dropped...
JF: Seems like this is editorial, we could suggest some simple changes. Don't know if we need to test in browsers.
<David> scribe: David
<chaals> JS: Not trying ot get a must, just convey that there is a real value in not being forced to tab through everything linearly and groups are helpful where they make sense.
<JF> acjk j
CM: FF decided not to repeat the set of links in an image map...
Iam: Need more generic solution
<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to comment about the Gecko behavior
Ian: Need more generic solution
Joanie: Trident behaviour makes most sense
<inserted> JS: Please remind AC reps you know to submit their review before the deadline tomorrow night
CM: Wishlist
... focus management, panels and panelset
... please look at it and consider kicking them along....
DM: Footnotes
JF: I'll join you
JS: Groupable or escapable structures in focus management discussion
<chaals> open action items
<chaals> action-92?
<trackbot> action-92 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers -- due 2014-12-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/92
RS: Action 92 highlevel canvas, grammar and spell checker, must be old...plan was that we were not going to dk that in cnavas...
CM: there is an editing task force, but they are not working on Cnavas, not expecting people to do that... but some people are doing text in canvas....
<chaals> action-92, due in 2 weeks
<chaals> action-92 due in 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-92 Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers due date to 2015-01-29.
RS: do we want to do this in the
webapp WG... I can do that, not today... be happy with 10
lines... I can probably do it next week... got SVP APPI
mappings, HTML API mappings, we are slammed...
... post to the TF, HTML, Editing...?
CM: I'll find it and post it and check off you action item
<scribe> ACTION: David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dbolter, dmacdona).
<chaals> close action-293
<trackbot> Closed action-293.
<chaals> close action-228
<trackbot> Closed action-228.
dmacdona David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist,
<chaals> action-226 on chaals
<scribe> ACTION:David and John Foliot to update WIKI HTML next list http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist, for footnotes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]
JS: WAI coordination, INDIE UI, ARIA, and HTML overlap need to sort out
JF: Not a fan of accesskey, they are fundamentally broken... tons of issues around them in the wild... perhaps we should stop, and look back and start clean and fresh
CM: i'm going to next WAI
cordination to talk about this, to invite people to join
discussion
... SVG, I haven't talked to them yet... I see bad
implementations
... I'm biased to not inventing new things, rather fix the old
one
... Rather than we tell each other not to work on stuff but
let's individually work on our stuff and have proposals and see
which one emerges
... let's break early and update the wiki..
<paulc> Is that a First Public Working Draft?
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html
RS: we are looking to release public work draft of api mapping guides in February...http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html
<paulc> Which WG(s) are publishing the document(s)?
<richardschwerdtfeger> Mappings for SVG
RS:
<richardschwerdtfeger> The core mappings (now more language-independent)
RS:
<richardschwerdtfeger> AccessibleName computation
<paulc> "This document was developed by and with the approval of the HTML Accessibility Taskforce, a joint task force of the Protocols and Formats Working Group and the HTML Working Group."
<chaals> ACTION: chaals to work with RichS and make sure HTML/TF know about plans for accessiiblity mapping documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Work with richs and make sure html/tf know about plans for accessiiblity mapping documents. [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-01-22].
PaulC: It's really a heartbeat
JS: Not really because it's new,
and has new name etc...
... We have lot's of st
... lot's to do before first working group
CM: always good to notify people as early as possible
PAULC: It says 1.1
JS: that's a mistake
<chaals> rrasgent, draft minutes
<chaals> s/Topic: Aria Accessibility Mapping - coming up for publication, expect review requests//
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