See also: IRC log
<trackbot> Date: 02 December 2014
<ericP> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 02 December 2014
<ericP> oops
<TimW> TimW is from +1.919.767...
<RHausam> RHausam is 801.949.1556
<Claude> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
<Claude> Please join our GoToMeeting
Nov 18: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20141118
Nov 25: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20141125
Nov 18 minutes unanimously approved.
Nov 25 minutes unanimously approved.
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to set up tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Set up tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
<scribe> ACTION: Tony to find out more details about how iCat handles ICD-11 ont and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Guoqian to figure out whether he can share URI conventions for ICD-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Figure out whether he can share uri conventions for icd-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- pending [on Guoqian Jiang - due 2014-12-09].
<Claude> For those who just joined IRC, we also have a GoToMeeting at:
<Claude> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
<scribe> ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future state ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Error finding 'Kerstin'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Eric to establish/make a wiki page for C-CDA RDF representations work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Establish/make a wiki page for c-cda rdf representations work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
<scribe> ACTION: Eric and Joshua to report on C-CDA RDF representations work plan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - And joshua to report on c-cda rdf representations work plan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
Joshua: Sent email describing a use case. Will add to wiki page.
<scribe> ACTION: Tony and Rob to report their plan on High-level concept mapping to RDF work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action08 -- PENDING
<trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Tony and all to decide on a wiki for Term Info work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action09] -- PENDING
<trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Guoqian to figure out whether he can share URI conventions for ICD-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Figure out whether he can share uri conventions for icd-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07] [on Guoqian Jiang - due 2014-12-09].
<scribe> [PENDING]
<Claude> Please use GoToMeeting only for video
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
Access Code: 157-514-853
Eric's slides: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/1125-fhir-rdf-egp/ FHIR-RDF
Eric: Our goal was to let
anything in FHIR XML be translated into RDF.
... We wrote something that read the XML definition files and
produced something that maps the XML to RDF.
... Python code reads the json definition files and spits out
XML, being the parts that we need of the FHIR spec.
... "subs" is what is allowed inside a FHIR resource.
... effectively the attributes of a resource.
... Then we embedded that in an XSLT script, and hand edited
the foot of it.
... The stuff we wrote into the footer of the XSLT says that
for a particular construct in the XML instance data, there's
special handling, such as URLs for identifiers.
David: How does the fact that it is an atom feed affect the interpretatinon of the XML?
Eric: It leaves some other graph stuff superimposed on it.
Marc: Re datatypes, you used FHIR
value, but the value itself looks like it is a string.
... If it is a string, then reasoners cannot do much with
it.
Eric: Datatype values are showing up as literals.
Marc: Another is that a date is
just a string, not an xsd:date.
... On slide 2
Eric: Ideally it should have the
datatype stuck on the end of it. There's a tension between
having the datatype on the fhir:value and having it on a blank
node.
... The natural RDF-ish way to do it would be using
xsd:datetime.
... Need to decide which of these ways will be most palatable
to RDF folks versus native FHIR folks.
... Sometimes these things are not just datetimes in FHIR. Need
to make it as simple as possible and no simpler.
Guoqian: Is a different URI being used for the namespaces? Will it cause problems when you use SPARQL across different models?
Eric: I tested some of this. I stuck a bunch of these namespaces together, and I believe we've addressed your concern.
David: Is the datatype issue due to the fact that datatypes are extensible in FHIR?
Eric: Maybe. RDF needs to be monotonic.
Paul: Modifying extensions can appear only in the roots of classes (considering the complex type as a class)
Eric: The XSLT footer has the custom code for extensions.
Paul: We did that to limit what you need to examine, to find out if there is a modifying extension.
Claude: I think you can have modifying extensions on the root type and anything that is defined from the root type.
ISSUE: FHIR Modifying extensions and monotonicity
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Fhir modifying extensions and monotonicity. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/issues/1/edit>.
Eric: Example here may not be up to date. Anyone know?
Paul: the dev site has DSTU 2.
Eric: Another script generates
the ShEx definitions from the FHIR spec.
... and the ShEx is used to generate FHIR XML back again from
FHIR RDF.
... Slide 7 is showing how to take C-CDA in RDF and producing
FHIR RDF.
Guoqian: The result prefix is fhir but should be patient.
Eric: Yes, you're right. That can be fixed in the ShEx.
Tony: Sort of verbatim
translation. The difference is maybe target audience style -- a
style that is good for the general tools used in RDF. Only
difference is the end style of RDF.
... Establishing closure between FHIR ontology and SNOMED-CT
would need to happen. Main difference is in the final RDF
style.
<pknapp> Zakim: Have to leave for another meeting, thx, great work.
Eric: Will need to need to be a
balance.
... Once we have transliterated, what we map to our dream
ontology. May want to balance how much is wedged into the XSLT
and how much into the interpretive dance later.
Claude: Might want a low level FHIR ont and a higher level FHIR ont both.
David: I kind of like the auto-generated aspect of this approach.
<vassil> чуит
ADJOURNED
<vassil> quit
<ericP> coding mapping example
<ericP> (for next week)
<vassil> exit
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.140 of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: dbooth Inferring Scribes: dbooth Default Present: DBooth, +1.919.767.aaaa, ericP, rhausam, TimW, Joshua_Phillips, +1.202.528.aabb, charlie, +1.469.226.aacc, Tony, Neda, patricia, Mark_Twagirumukiza, Kerstin_Forsberg, Cati, Kerstin, +1.801.368.aadd, +1.604.250.aaee, Bryn_Rhodes, +31.62.427.aaff, mscottm, Guoqian, +1.608.310.aagg, vassil, +41.78.847.aahh, [IPcaller] WARNING: Replacing previous Present list. (Old list: Bryn_Rhodes, Cati, Claude_Nanjo, David_Booth, EricP, Guoqian, Hans_Cools, Ingeborg, Joshua_Phillips, Kerstin_Forsberg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Neda, Paul_Knapp, TimW, Tony_Mallia, Charlie_Mead, egonw, (IRC, only?), Scott_Marshall, Patricia, Rob_Hausam, Vassil, (IRC, only?)) Use 'Present+ ... ' if you meant to add people without replacing the list, such as: <dbooth> Present+ Bryn_Rhodes, Cati, Claude_Nanjo, David_Booth, EricP, Guoqian, Hans_Cools, Ingeborg, Joshua_Phillips, Kerstin_Forsberg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Neda, Paul_Knapp, TimW, Tony_Mallia, Charlie_Mead, egonw_(IRC_only?), Scott_Marshall, Patricia, Rob_Hausam, Vassil_(IRC_only?) Present: Bryn_Rhodes Cati Claude_Nanjo David_Booth EricP Guoqian Hans_Cools Ingeborg Joshua_Phillips Kerstin_Forsberg Marc_Twagirumukiza Neda Paul_Knapp TimW Tony_Mallia Charlie_Mead egonw_(IRC_only?) Scott_Marshall Patricia Rob_Hausam Vassil_(IRC_only?) Found Date: 02 Dec 2014 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-hcls-minutes.html People with action items: all eric ericp guoqian ingeborg joshua kerstin rob tony[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]