IRC log of hcls on 2014-12-02

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15:56:41 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be
15:56:41 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:56:42 [trackbot]: Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:56:42 [trackbot]: Date: 02 December 2014
15:56:58 [dbooth]: zakim, this will be hcls
15:56:59 [Zakim]: ok, dbooth; I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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16:00:31 [dbooth]: zakim, who is here?
16:00:31 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P6, DBooth, +1.919.767.aaaa
16:00:33 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Hans_Cools, RHausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, dbooth, Cati, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell, ericP
16:00:36 [ericP]: trackbot, start meeting
16:00:38 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
16:00:40 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be
16:00:41 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:00:41 [trackbot]: Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:41 [trackbot]: Date: 02 December 2014
16:00:45 [ericP]: oops
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16:01:47 [TimW]: TimW is from +1.919.767...
16:02:01 [Zakim]: +rhausam
16:02:03 [dbooth]: zakim, aaaa is TimW
16:02:03 [Zakim]: +TimW; got it
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16:02:27 [Zakim]: +Joshua_Phillips
16:02:28 [Zakim]: + +1.202.528.aabb
16:02:31 [dbooth]: zakim, ??P6 is charlie
16:02:31 [Zakim]: +charlie; got it
16:02:34 [Joshua_Phillips]: Zakim, aabb is Joshua_Phillips
16:02:34 [Zakim]: +Joshua_Phillips; got it
16:02:40 [Zakim]: + +1.469.226.aacc
16:02:52 [dbooth]: zakim, aabb is Ingeborg
16:02:53 [Zakim]: sorry, dbooth, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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16:03:04 [RHausam]: RHausam is 801.949.1556
16:03:08 [Zakim]: +Tony
16:03:09 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:03:11 [dbooth]: zakim, aacc is Neda
16:03:11 [Zakim]: +Neda; got it
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16:03:42 [dbooth]: zakim, who is here?
16:03:42 [Zakim]: On the phone I see charlie, DBooth, TimW, ericP, rhausam, Joshua_Phillips, Joshua_Phillips.a, Neda, Tony, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], patricia
16:03:44 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Tony, Ingeborg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, charlie, TimW, Claude, Joshua_Phillips, Hans_Cools, RHausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, dbooth, Cati, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell,
16:03:44 [Zakim]: ... ericP
16:03:47 [Joshua_Phillips]: Zakim, +1.410.264.9155 is Joshua_Phillips
16:03:47 [Zakim]: sorry, Joshua_Phillips, I do not recognize a party named '+1.410.264.9155'
16:04:03 [Joshua_Phillips]: Zakim, +1.410.624.9155 is Joshua_Phillips
16:04:03 [Zakim]: sorry, Joshua_Phillips, I do not recognize a party named '+1.410.624.9155'
16:04:16 [Zakim]: -Joshua_Phillips
16:04:18 [Zakim]: +??P45
16:04:43 [Zakim]: +Joshua_Phillips.aa
16:05:08 [dbooth]: zakim, ??P45 is Mark_Twagirumukiza
16:05:08 [Zakim]: +Mark_Twagirumukiza; got it
16:05:14 [dbooth]: zakim, who is here?
16:05:15 [Zakim]: On the phone I see charlie, DBooth, TimW, ericP, rhausam, Joshua_Phillips.a, Neda, Tony, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], patricia, Mark_Twagirumukiza, Joshua_Phillips.aa
16:05:15 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Tony, Ingeborg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, charlie, TimW, Claude, Joshua_Phillips, Hans_Cools, RHausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, dbooth, Cati, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell,
16:05:15 [Zakim]: ... ericP
16:05:24 [Zakim]: -patricia
16:06:14 [Zakim]: +Kerstin_Forsberg
16:06:30 [dbooth]: zakim, [IPcaller] is Cati
16:06:30 [Zakim]: +Cati; got it
16:06:48 [dbooth]: zakim, who is here?
16:06:48 [Zakim]: On the phone I see charlie, DBooth, TimW, ericP, rhausam, Joshua_Phillips.a, Neda, Tony, Cati, [IPcaller.a], Mark_Twagirumukiza, Joshua_Phillips.aa, Kerstin_Forsberg
16:06:51 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Tony, Ingeborg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, charlie, TimW, Claude, Joshua_Phillips, Hans_Cools, RHausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, dbooth, Cati, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell,
16:06:51 [Zakim]: ... ericP
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16:07:37 [Claude]: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
16:07:52 [Claude]: Please join our GoToMeeting
16:08:05 [dbooth]: zakim, IPcaller.a is Kerstin
16:08:05 [Zakim]: +Kerstin; got it
16:08:10 [Zakim]: +patricia
16:08:20 [Zakim]: + +1.801.368.aadd
16:08:56 [Zakim]: + +1.604.250.aaee
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16:09:22 [dbooth]: zakim, aadd is aadd is Bryn_Rhodes
16:09:22 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'aadd is aadd is Bryn_Rhodes', dbooth
16:09:39 [dbooth]: zakim, aadd is Bryn_Rhodes
16:09:41 [Zakim]: +Bryn_Rhodes; got it
16:10:43 [dbooth]: Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
16:10:53 [dbooth]: Nov 18: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20141118
16:11:02 [dbooth]: Nov 25: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20141125
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16:11:49 [dbooth]: Nov 18 minutes unanimously approved.
16:12:07 [Zakim]: + +31.62.427.aaff
16:12:13 [dbooth]: Nov 25 minutes unanimously approved.
16:12:16 [ericP]: ericP has changed the topic to: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/1125-fhir-rdf-egp/ FHIR-RDF
16:12:39 [dbooth]: zakim, aaff is mscottm
16:12:39 [Zakim]: +mscottm; got it
16:12:42 [mscottm]: Zakim, aaff is mscottm
16:12:42 [Zakim]: sorry, mscottm, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
16:13:04 [dbooth]: Topic: Action Review
16:13:14 [dbooth]: ACTION: ericP to set up tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- PENDING
16:13:14 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-2 - Set up tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
16:13:52 [dbooth]: ACTION: Tony to find out more details about how iCat handles ICD-11 ont and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action01 -- PENDING
16:13:52 [trackbot]: Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
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16:14:33 [dbooth]: ACTION: Guoqian to figure out whether he can share URI conventions for ICD-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- PENDING
16:14:33 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-3 - Figure out whether he can share uri conventions for icd-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- pending [on Guoqian Jiang - due 2014-12-09].
16:14:56 [Claude]: For those who just joined IRC, we also have a GoToMeeting at:
16:14:58 [Claude]: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
16:15:09 [dbooth]: ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future state ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05 -- PENDING
16:15:10 [trackbot]: Error finding 'Kerstin'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
16:15:29 [Zakim]: +Guoqian
16:15:53 [Zakim]: + +1.608.310.aagg
16:16:01 [dbooth]: ACTION: Eric to establish/make a wiki page for C-CDA RDF representations work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06 -- PENDING
16:16:02 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-4 - Establish/make a wiki page for c-cda rdf representations work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
16:16:27 [dbooth]: ACTION: Eric and Joshua to report on C-CDA RDF representations work plan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- PENDING
16:16:28 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-5 - And joshua to report on c-cda rdf representations work plan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07 -- pending [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-09].
16:16:43 [dbooth]: Joshua: Sent email describing a use case. Will add to wiki page.
16:17:12 [vassil]: zakim, aagg is vassil
16:17:12 [Zakim]: +vassil; got it
16:17:39 [Zakim]: + +41.78.847.aahh
16:17:39 [dbooth]: ACTION: Tony and Rob to report their plan on High-level concept mapping to RDF work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action08 -- PENDING
16:17:39 [trackbot]: Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
16:18:14 [dbooth]: ACTION: Tony and all to decide on a wiki for Term Info work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action09] -- PENDING
16:18:14 [trackbot]: Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
16:19:17 [dbooth]: ACTION: Guoqian to figure out whether he can share URI conventions for ICD-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07]
16:19:18 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-6 - Figure out whether he can share uri conventions for icd-11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-hcls-minutes.html#action07] [on Guoqian Jiang - due 2014-12-09].
16:19:26 [dbooth]: [PENDING]
16:20:34 [dbooth]: Topic: FHIR Ontology Review
16:20:38 [Claude]: Please use GoToMeeting only for video
16:20:46 [dbooth]: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
16:20:46 [dbooth]: Access Code: 157-514-853
16:21:18 [dbooth]: Eric's slides: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/1125-fhir-rdf-egp/ FHIR-RDF
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16:23:39 [dbooth]: Eric: Our goal was to let anything in FHIR XML be translated into RDF.
16:24:12 [dbooth]: ... We wrote something that read the XML definition files and produced something that maps the XML to RDF.
16:24:20 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:26:34 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
16:27:25 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:27:53 [dbooth]: ... Python code reads the json definition files and spits out XML, being the parts that we need of the FHIR spec.
16:28:28 [dbooth]: ... "subs" is what is allowed inside a FHIR resource.
16:28:42 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
16:28:48 [dbooth]: ... effectively the attributes of a resource.
16:29:31 [dbooth]: ... Then we embedded that in an XSLT script, and hand edited the foot of it.
16:31:04 [dbooth]: ... The stuff we wrote into the footer of the XSLT says that for a particular construct in the XML instance data, there's special handling, such as URLs for identifiers.
16:32:15 [dbooth]: David: How does the fact that it is an atom feed affect the interpretatinon of the XML?
16:32:38 [dbooth]: Eric: It leaves some other graph stuff superimposed on it.
16:32:55 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:33:05 [dbooth]: Marc: Re datatypes, you used FHIR value, but the value itself looks like it is a string.
16:33:25 [dbooth]: ... If it is a string, then reasoners cannot do much with it.
16:33:50 [dbooth]: Eric: Datatype values are showing up as literals.
16:34:09 [dbooth]: Marc: Another is that a date is just a string, not an xsd:date.
16:35:03 [dbooth]: Marc: On slide 2
16:35:44 [dbooth]: Eric: Ideally it should have the datatype stuck on the end of it. There's a tension between having the datatype on the fhir:value and having it on a blank node.
16:36:16 [dbooth]: ... The natural RDF-ish way to do it would be using xsd:datetime.
16:36:49 [dbooth]: ... Need to decide which of these ways will be most palatable to RDF folks versus native FHIR folks.
16:37:15 [Zakim]: +??P60
16:37:21 [dbooth]: ... Sometimes these things are not just datetimes in FHIR. Need to make it as simple as possible and no simpler.
16:39:04 [dbooth]: Guoqian: Is a different URI being used for the namespaces? Will it cause problems when you use SPARQL across different models?
16:39:42 [Zakim]: -mscottm
16:39:49 [dbooth]: Eric: I tested some of this. I stuck a bunch of these namespaces together, and I believe we've addressed your concern.
16:40:59 [mscottm]: Zakim, ??P60 is mscottm
16:40:59 [Zakim]: +mscottm; got it
16:41:05 [dbooth]: David: Is the datatype issue due to the fact that datatypes are extensible in FHIR?
16:41:49 [dbooth]: Eric: Maybe. RDF needs to be monotonic.
16:42:48 [dbooth]: Paul: Modifying extensions can appear only in the roots of classes (considering the complex type as a class)
16:43:49 [dbooth]: Eric: The XSLT footer has the custom code for extensions.
16:44:26 [dbooth]: Paul: We did that to limit what you need to examine, to find out if there is a modifying extension.
16:44:53 [dbooth]: Claude: I think you can have modifying extensions on the root type and anything that is defined from the root type.
16:46:58 [dbooth]: ISSUE: FHIR Modifying extensions and monotonicity
16:46:58 [trackbot]: Created ISSUE-1 - Fhir modifying extensions and monotonicity. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/issues/1/edit>.
16:48:26 [dbooth]: Eric: Example here may not be up to date. Anyone know?
16:50:23 [dbooth]: Paul: the dev site has DSTU 2.
16:52:28 [dbooth]: Eric: Another script generates the ShEx definitions from the FHIR spec.
16:52:57 [dbooth]: ... and the ShEx is used to generate FHIR XML back again from FHIR RDF.
16:53:29 [Zakim]: -Mark_Twagirumukiza
16:53:58 [dbooth]: ... Slide 7 is showing how to take C-CDA in RDF and producing FHIR RDF.
16:55:24 [dbooth]: Guoqian: The result prefix is fhir but should be patient.
16:55:48 [dbooth]: Eric: Yes, you're right. That can be fixed in the ShEx.
16:59:27 [dbooth]: Tony: Sort of verbatim translation. The difference is maybe target audience style -- a style that is good for the general tools used in RDF. Only difference is the end style of RDF.
16:59:54 [dbooth]: ... Establishing closure between FHIR ontology and SNOMED-CT would need to happen. Main difference is in the final RDF style.
17:00:16 [pknapp]: Zakim: Have to leave for another meeting, thx, great work.
17:00:32 [Zakim]: - +1.604.250.aaee
17:00:36 [dbooth]: Eric: Will need to need to be a balance.
17:01:11 [dbooth]: ... Once we have transliterated, what we map to our dream ontology. May want to balance how much is wedged into the XSLT and how much into the interpretive dance later.
17:01:28 [dbooth]: Claude: Might want a low level FHIR ont and a higher level FHIR ont both.
17:02:10 [dbooth]: David: I kind of like the auto-generated aspect of this approach.
17:02:15 [ericP]: Zakim, who is speaking?
17:02:20 [Zakim]: -Kerstin_Forsberg
17:02:23 [Zakim]: -Bryn_Rhodes
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17:02:27 [Zakim]: ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DBooth (40%), ericP (100%), Joshua_Phillips.aa (4%), Neda (19%), Kerstin_Forsberg (8%)
17:02:49 [Zakim]: -Cati
17:03:00 [Zakim]: -Joshua_Phillips.a
17:03:09 [Zakim]: -Joshua_Phillips.aa
17:03:10 [Zakim]: -Neda
17:03:12 [Zakim]: -Guoqian
17:03:13 [Zakim]: -TimW
17:03:14 [Zakim]: -Tony
17:03:15 [Zakim]: -charlie
17:03:21 [Zakim]: -Kerstin
17:03:23 [Zakim]: -rhausam
17:03:24 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
17:03:26 [Zakim]: -DBooth
17:03:27 [Zakim]: -mscottm
17:03:34 [vassil]: чуит
17:03:36 [dbooth]: ADJOURNED
17:03:41 [vassil]: quit
17:03:42 [Zakim]: -patricia
17:03:44 [ericP]: -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/FDATherapeuticAreaOntologies#codeAndSystemToIRI coding mapping example
17:03:47 [ericP]: (for next week)
17:03:52 [dbooth]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:52 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
17:03:53 [Zakim]: -ericP
17:03:56 [vassil]: exit
17:04:06 [Zakim]: -vassil
17:04:34 [ericP]: RRSAgent, make log public
17:04:46 [dbooth]: Chair: David Booth (and Paul Knapp)
17:09:06 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, ??P61, in SW_HCLS()11:00AM
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17:09:07 [Zakim]: Attendees were DBooth, +1.919.767.aaaa, ericP, rhausam, TimW, Joshua_Phillips, +1.202.528.aabb, charlie, +1.469.226.aacc, Tony, Neda, patricia, Mark_Twagirumukiza,
17:09:07 [Zakim]: ... Kerstin_Forsberg, Cati, Kerstin, +1.801.368.aadd, +1.604.250.aaee, Bryn_Rhodes, +31.62.427.aaff, mscottm, Guoqian, +1.608.310.aagg, vassil, +41.78.847.aahh, [IPcaller]
17:09:16 [dbooth]: Present: Bryn_Rhodes Cati Claude_Nanjo David_Booth EricP Guoqian Hans_Cools Ingeborg Joshua_Phillips Kerstin_Forsberg Marc_Twagirumukiza Neda Paul_Knapp TimW Tony_Mallia Charlie_Mead egonw (IRC only?) Scott_Marshall Patricia Rob_Hausam Vassil (IRC only?)
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17:29:03 [dbooth]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:29:03 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
17:30:15 [dbooth]: Present: Bryn_Rhodes, Cati, Claude_Nanjo, David_Booth, EricP, Guoqian, Hans_Cools, Ingeborg, Joshua_Phillips, Kerstin_Forsberg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Neda, Paul_Knapp, TimW, Tony_Mallia, Charlie_Mead, egonw (IRC only?), Scott_Marshall, Patricia, Rob_Hausam, Vassil (IRC only?)
17:30:20 [dbooth]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:30:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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