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<edkrebs> You never are, Harry!
can someone volunteer to scribe?
<lehawes> harry, I would scribe, but need to drop off at 12:30. Sorry!
<jasnell> I would, but I believe I'll be leaving early
<edkrebs> I'll do it
we could try to keep the meeting quick
<edkrebs> Mark Crawford is chair of Soical Interest Group.
Also, note Larry Hawes you should get IE status shortly
<edkrebs> This is an informal meeting, open as of now. When becomes formal, will need to be W3C member or invited expert.
<edkrebs> Link is on wiki to take you to invited expert page.
there's been some hiccup with the IE database and the Interest Group
<lehawes> Thanks for the IE update status, Harry!
we're working on solving it - database issue it appears, somehow Social WG and Social IG got mixed up
<edkrebs> Intros: Mark Crawford is from SAP, part of original social interest community
Maybe follow order thta Zakim has?
so James Snell would be next, then Mike Elledge, then some mysterious folks
<edkrebs> intro: Erik Wilde - Siemens
Who is 303?
area code?
<Loqi> dret meant to say: zakim, +1.510.206.aaaa is me
<lehawes> Anyone: how can I find out which mystery ID Zakim has assigned to my phone line?
<edkrebs> intro: james snell IBM, involved in various social such as activity streams for many years.
Mike?
<tantek> good morning #social!
<lwgoix> hi i am on the phone as well usign sip
<lwgoix> not sure how i am recognized by zakim
do you know your area code?
<edkrebs> Intro: Dakve Skiba from Avaia, involved in social (using, integrating), has been invited to dial in and earn who we are
<edkrebs> intro: P29 is Laurent-Walter Goix from telecom italia, planning to participate in both interest group and working group.
<jasnell> harry: just fyi getting additional noise intermittently from your line
<edkrebs> harry halpin - w3c contact, handling Invited Expert applications, any not yet processed should go through by next week
<edkrebs> itro: John Mertic president Open Social Foundation, also represent SugarCRM
there's a few other folks on the call
<Loqi> lwgoix meant to say: Laurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter GoixLaurent-Walter Goixm
<edkrebs> intro Larry Hawes?? Analyst Gigom REsearch
<dave_skiba> correcting my info from above, Dave Skiba from Avaya, Director analytics and multimedia research. Thanks.
<edkrebs> Thanks Dave
<edkrebs> Adam - social technical fellow at Boieng, leads internal program "inSite", interested in helping with use cases
<lehawes> Ed: just for the record, I'm Principal of Dow Brook Advisory Services and an analyst with Gigaom Research. Thanks! :>)
<edkrebs> Agenda: Intros (done); agree on agenda; Working Mode; Discussion of expected deliverables, IG liaisons,
<edkrebs> Expectation is to work under W3C process at www.w3.org/2014/Process-201409801
<edkrebs> Teleconference Schedule - proposal to do every other week, Doodle poll suggests 12-1 Eastern is good. Any other opinions?
<jasnell> The proposed schedule works for me
<lehawes> biweekly seems good for now, at least until we have met face-to-face in a few months
<edkrebs> Teleconference Schedule, no issues noted, timing will be 2 weeks. New passcode going forward
I think we've got admin booked the telecons properly
but if there's any confusion I'll double-check
<edkrebs> proposal to use connect room (SAP) as well to share anything more complex beyond wiki and irc. Any concerns?
<edkrebs> No negative comments, will continue to use Connect Room.
no problem from W3C, as long as we archive any discussion and substantial decisions to mailing list or wiki.
invited experts can edit wiki as well - we'll get access going ASAP for folks
<tantek> please archive decisions to the wiki
<tantek> email decisions are too hard to re-find
<edkrebs> Wiki: intent is to use wiki, invited experts as well as members will have contribute access for sharing and documents.
<lehawes> Second tantek's request to document everything on wiki, not in email.
<edkrebs> Mark Crawford will take anything from connect sessions to store into the wiki as the official repository
<tantek> also everyone who edits wiki has had to agree to w3c contribution agreements, which is much stronger than email lists
we have two set-up in the charter, one public and one write-only by IG members
soon, once both groups are functional and officially meeting, I'll stop mailing all the mailing lists at once.
<edkrebs> topic Listservers: discussion was for one or two between working team and interest group, working group suggested two (one private one public).
<tantek> email is fine for discussion/q&a for those that like it for that. poor for capturing state/decisions.
<edkrebs> listservers are for distribution lists
<edkrebs> Hi Ann Basetti!
<edkrebs> question is still on the table, one or two listervers (distribution lists)
-1 for private list
+1 for the public IG list
Which we already have :)
<edkrebs> consensus is single group, can always make a private list later
<lehawes> Transparency FTW! Public list only if we can.
<tantek> fascinating how that had a different result from yesterday's telcon!
We can always create a private list as needed, but find IPR probably won't be a problem
<lehawes> I need to leave for another call. Sorry! Will check wiki for rest of conversation later.
due to the fact group is not producing Rec-track decisions
<lehawes> quit
<edkrebs> only time to go with separate private group was to protect IP, not likely an issue (but can reserve the option to start one if needed)
<tantek> bye lehawes !
happy to answer any questions about charter
so we have use-cases, architecture document, and messaging/co-ordination
<edkrebs> Goal - formulate and steer standardization (can see full goals and scope in charter (see wiki)
the use-cases should steer the standards work
The use-case document should probably have two editors though who are responsible for it I think
even if it just starts on wiki etc.
<edkrebs> Expected Deliverable: use case and requirements Report
http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-ig-charter
<edkrebs> will be broader than use cases from working group.
<edkrebs> should have joint discussion around use cases to see what we can do to help
<edkrebs> intention is to look at broader context to drive social standards for both businesses and consumers
but we don't have to decide that now
although if someone is interested they can make their interest known :)
<jasnell> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Use_cases
<AnnBassetti-Boeing> BTW, if anyone needs an introduction to using IRC at W3C: http://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
<edkrebs> Thanks Ann, maybe next time I'll do a good job... :-)
<AnnBassetti-Boeing> you're doing great!
<edkrebs> recommend taking a look at existing use cases in the wiki
<edkrebs> Expected Deliverable: Social Architecture Report - broad look at the soical technologies and specifications
[looking for results of headlights]
Here's the OStatus draft, which is a good beginning:
http://www.w3.org/community/ostatus/wiki/images/9/93/OStatus_1.0_Draft_2.pdf
<edkrebs> An overview was done in 2010, the Social Headlights Task Force also did some good work to kiskctart this effort
<dret> link to the overview from 2010, please? google is failing me. thanks!
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
<lwgoix> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/XGR-socialweb-20101206/
Again, rather out of date
<edkrebs> ACTION: Mark C. - put a copy of headlights report in wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/06-social-minutes.html#action01]
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<dret> ah, thanks. URI not very self-describing. ;-)
<Arnaud> hi all, regarding the lists, I actually think for an IG it makes sense to have a single public list, no surprises for me here tantek :)
here's the effort nearby from Google that's quite popular: http://schema.org/docs/schemas.html
<edkrebs> Expected Deliverable: Social Vocabularies - look at various vocabs out there, identify anything missing, determine need for how to fill caps and/or unify
We expect some of the use-cases will use vocabularies
that aren't covered or need to be extended
I've heard "expert-finding" as a big vocabulary issue
note that W3C is discussing schema.org IPR issues with Google
not yet fixed
<AdamB> possibly vocabulary around describing expertise
<edkrebs> question and discussion about scope of vocabularies
<AdamB> harry's "expert finding"
I'm a bit surprised there's not an expert finding vocabulary out there, but I can't find it!
<dret> seems like my question was answered: it was whether we look at things beyond vocabularies, such as protocols and other interaction methods.
Profiles I think are within scope
<edkrebs> do the vocabs cover the main specific vocabulries, also will this go beyond socail to cover profile information
<tantek> harry there is no evidence of anything "popular" of a *social* vocabulary nature from Google's oligopolic schema
but there's lots of previous work, such as vCard, FOAF,
<edkrebs> harry noted profile has been discussed as in scope but we have to be careful not to conflict or overlap
PortableContacts
<tantek> please avoid mischaracterizing it as popular
<AdamB> i would agree that profiles should be discussed / in scope
<tantek> Google has influence/power, but that's very different from popularity
Obviously Social WG should be a liaison and OpenSocial Foundation.
<lwgoix> not sure whether they are popular but they should be examined
<lwgoix> opensocial uses poco
<lwgoix> ostatus as well
<edkrebs> potential list of others that touch these topics in wiki as an initial suggestion starter
<lwgoix> but any other may do
<edkrebs> may want to reach out to every group initially and connect as appropriate
<tantek> lwgoix: worth documenting previous efforts in general yes. but schema is not special in this regard.
* ActivityStreams Community
<edkrebs> this would include beyond w3c and include outside activity
* Cloud Standards Customer Council
* IndieWebCamp Community (tantek covers that I assume)
<jasnell> I'll cover liaison with Activity Streams community
* ActivityStreams Community (jasnell covers)
<edkrebs> need to identify How, What, coorinate effort of our working group and otehr activites.
<edkrebs> +1 CSCC
It might be useful to find people who are already have overlap and have them co-ordinate/
Ed, do you already work with CSCC?
* Open Mobile Alliance (Laurent covers)
* OpenSocial Foundation (John Mertic covers)
W3C can handle IETF
Anyone want to help cover XMPP?
<edkrebs> need to form task forces for each deliverable, need co-chairs to take on specific deliverable as lead for the task foce segment coordinator/leader
<edkrebs> also opportunity to be a co-chair. previously identified co-chair took another assignment within IBM, interest anyone?
+1 having a co-chair, Mark could get sick!
<edkrebs> Taks forces would be Architecture, Use Cases and/or Vocabularies, plus one for Liaison role
<edkrebs> first fomal meetin gin 2 weeks
<edkrebs> if no volunteers, chair reserves "right" to appoint people!!
<edkrebs> New Business: Any?
:)
RRAgent, generate minutes
MarkC, what is the new call code?
<dret> thanks everybody! bye!
We might want to change it back to SOCL not to confuse people
<edkrebs> motion to adjourn, invite with new call code coming out soon, see wiki for documents.
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