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<trackbot> Date: 18 June 2014
<janina> Meeting: PFWG telecon
<janina> agenda: this
<MichaelC> Zakim-SIP is not working for me today
Working for me
<janina> And for me
<scribe> scribe: Gottfried
Janina: Any corrections, edits?
Michael: These are the minutes of two weeks ago. We had no quorum last week.
(no objections to posting them)
RESOLUTION: Post the minutes as submitted.
Janina: Registration is open. PF
will be meeting Thu and Fri, as requested.
... We will develop our agenda items perhaps during July. For
now, nothing more to report.
... Get a hotel room.
John: Will there be any other a11y related activities on Mon/Tue?
Janina: WCAG, and IndieUI - double-check with the schedule.
Michael: I think also Education and Outreach wg.
action-1449?
<trackbot> action-1449 -- Janina Sajka to Reacquaint pf with css action agenda from tpac 2011 -- due 2014-06-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1449
<MichaelC> close action-1449
<trackbot> Closed action-1449.
Janina: This is on the agenda for today
action-1437?
<trackbot> action-1437 -- John Foliot to Discuss with sean hayes and david singer potential a11y issues on ttml-imsc1 http://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1437
<MichaelC> action-1437 due one week
<trackbot> Set action-1437 Discuss with sean hayes and david singer potential a11y issues on ttml-imsc1 http://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ due date to 2014-06-11.
<MichaelC> action-1437 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-1437 Discuss with sean hayes and david singer potential a11y issues on ttml-imsc1 http://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ due date to 2014-06-25.
action-1433?
<trackbot> action-1433 -- Michael Cooper to Review wording of proposed css counters response http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-pfwg/2014jan/0015.html -- due 2014-05-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1433
action-1412?
<trackbot> action-1412 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review user interface security directives for content security policy http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-uisecurity-20140318/ -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1412
action-1413?
<trackbot> action-1413 -- Shane McCarron to Review user interface security directives for content security policy http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-uisecurity-20140318/ -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1413
<MichaelC> close action-1412
<trackbot> Closed action-1412.
<MichaelC> close action-1413
<trackbot> Closed action-1413.
action-1384?
<trackbot> action-1384 -- Billy Gregory to Draft note for vibration api about colliding with at-generated vibrations, and noting a11y-positive use cases http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-vibration-20140211/ -- due 2014-02-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1384
<MichaelC> close action-1384
<trackbot> Closed action-1384.
action-1378?
<trackbot> action-1378 -- Michael Cooper to Investigate http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-nfc-20140114/ nfc api and report back due march 5th 2014 -- due 2014-03-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1378
action-1377?
<trackbot> action-1377 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review css fragmentation http://www.w3.org/tr/css3-break/ -- due 2014-06-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1377
<MichaelC> HTML 5
Michael: Review period until Jul
15
... A couple of new working drafts, neither first public nor
LC
... With UI Events, we noted it at FP.
... Shadow DOM might be of interest for our canvas work.
Rich: Canvas is in SVG2 as
well.
... Also iframes
... SVG2 is mind-melding with HTML5
... Events are harmonized, ARIA, fonts, etc.
Michael: Shadow DOM lacks a useful abstract and useful introduction.
Janina: We could request that.
Michael: Same for UI Events.
RESOLUTION: PF requests that Web Apps provide abstract and introductory sections for the working drafts on Shadow DOM and UI Events (as discussed in the Cambridge meeting on June 9, 2014).
<MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to send note to webapps request useful abstract and introduction for their specs, starting with Shadow DOM and UI Events [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1458 - Send note to webapps request useful abstract and introduction for their specs, starting with shadow dom and ui events [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-06-25].
<MichaelC> action-1458: following PF resolution 18 June 2014
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1458 Send note to webapps request useful abstract and introduction for their specs, starting with shadow dom and ui events.
<MichaelC> Human Services CG
Michael: Don't know how this is related to W3C work
Janina: What about Jason
White?
... I might bring it up with him.
... Let's put it on our "revisit" list, and i will act upon
it.
Michael: ARIA 1.1 is
published
... as draft
... Also FPWG on Core Accessibility API mappings
... All references are core-aam
Janina: I think we decided that
we want to spell core-aam out in our publications.
... Use this for verbal?
Michael: I don't want to object. But core-aam is not the official acronym outside of this group.
James: core-aam sounds like
"arm"
... (British accent)
Rich: Added ARIA semantics on 1.1
for social collaborative editing on Websites - based on a
Microsoft proposal.
... Agreement on HTML5 approach.
Janina: Steve is supposed to file
some bugs - but don't know the status. Also concerned about
whether we can resolve those bugs.
... If Steve gets the bugs solved, we might get a way to get it
through.
Rich: They could just remove those 5 elements. Not needed to mark the whole section "at risk".
Janina: Brian also found some
simple errors.
... Might be useful to file bugs on those.
Rich: Steve says that he had filed those.
Michael: I will find ways to
incorporate the IndieUI abstract - needs to be short.
... I am not editing the introduction now. But we should
address introduction in the next round of the IndieUI spec.
Janina: Forthcoming IndieUI FPWD
for user context.
... Should be published next week.
Janina: HTML5 task force
activitites, in particular in the media group. Discussions on
what to take up in HTML.next.
... Coga is also active. Talking with Lisa - gap analysis.
Janina: Comments are due today
(see pointers in this agenda) to emails from Cynthia and
James.
... and from Lisa
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0068.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0060.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0023.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0003.html
Michael: We already discussed James' point on "normative" marking.
Janina: Anybody disagreeing? - No.
Michael: Cynthia's message: Some questions are risen, regarding use with screen readers, magnifiers, mouse simulation, platform a11y API handling...
Janina: We could ask for clarification on these questions.
Michael: Yes, the questions are relevant.
Janina: Any disagreements? - No.
Michael: Lisa's comments: Change to MUST... Also: ... must be operable by AT.
Janina: Any objections? - No.
Michael: Add text on CAPTCHA, cognitive disabilities, ...
Janina: If we agree, we should reference our CAPTCHA note.
Michael: I would like to make minor edits here.
Janina: Any objections - excempt for minor edits? - No.
<MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to send PF comments on User Interface Security Directives [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-pf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1459 - Send pf comments on user interface security directives [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-06-25].
<MichaelC> action-1459: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0068.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0060.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0023.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1459 Send pf comments on user interface security directives.
RESOLUTION: PF adopts the comments of Lisa, Cynthia and James as PF comments.
<JF> +1 to that
Janina: It is always helpful to have comments drafted that don't need much editing.
Janina: Cynthia is not here, so take it to the next meeting.
Janina: Our evaluation of CSS -
we did quite a lot. We had a meeting with CSS at TPAC in 2011,
and we have a wiki.
... Wiki: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/CSS/Spec_Review
Telecon 19 Oct: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2011Oct/0027.html
Telecon 26 Oct: https://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-pf-minutes.html#item02
TPAC 2011: https://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-pf-minutes.html
Janina: Unfortunately, the
minutes are not quite detailed. I imagine some aspects of the
actions are still relevant.
... There was also some discussion on the list that went to the
CSS wg. But didn't look into 2012.
... Can we talk about it now, and then come back to it next
week or later?
... Those who were participants at the TPAC 2011 should look if
there are any actions on them.
James: Should we bring this to the table of TPAC this year?
Janina: Yes. We should have a
"CSS person" in our group taking care of this topic
regularly.
... It is too little to react on publications of CSS.
Rich: CSS has got so important - browsers using their new features - we definitely should have somebody in there.
John: I wonder if we could reach
out to the W3C a11y community with this.
... Could be even a small task force.
Janina: Good suggestion.
JF: PF is probably too big for this.
John: Contact Daniel Glazman?
Rich: We might have somebody at IBM for this - a UI designer.
Mary Jo: I can talk to him.
Janina: Request over xtech or wai-ig?
<JF> Perhaps contact Daniel Glazman (@glazou) to see if there might be somebody over in the CSS WG interested in partnering with us
Janina: Yes, please contact Daniel Glazman, John.
John: Will do so.
<JF> ACTION: Foliot to contact @glazou about CSS A11y TF (sic) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-pf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1460 - Contact @glazou about css a11y tf (sic) [on John Foliot - due 2014-06-25].
Janina: I will be in Berlin next week - not sure I will make it. Michael, could you chair?
Michael: Yes, I am making a note.
actions?