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<trackbot> Date: 11 June 2014
<janina_> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
<scribe> scribe: jasonjgw
<jcraig> https://www.webkit.org/blog/3302/aria_and_accessibility_inspector/
James: using ARIA with WebKit Accessibility Inspector.
<jcraig> Using ARIA 1.0 and the WebKit Accessibility Node Inspector
Janina notes an upcoming forum in Berlin on the "Web of things". Janina will be presenting there in two weeks.
Janina: TPAC registration is open.
Michael: IndieUI coincides with the WebApps meeting - both on Monday/Tuesday.
PF on Thursday/Friday.
James integrated most of Rich's comments into the User Context draft.
Janina and Michael note (referring to an earlier item) the need to coordinate with other working groups at TPAC regarding agenda.
James (resuming report): comments have been addressed in the draft; questions remain about some of the comments, which James raised on list.
All of the changes were editorial.
James corresponded with WebApps regarding privacy issues and geolocation. Concerns were raised by geolocation about a proposal for the geolocation API to follow IndieUI in allowing the author to specify a rationale when prompting for permission to access information.
James notes the concern and plans to modify the draft. The concern is that such a dialogue could be misused to deceive users.
James suspects that his example (as provided in the current draft) could have been the basis of the concern, but there are other ways of implementing the requirement. For example, the author-supplied message can be hidden by default, but revealed as necessary by the user.
Janina notes that users' needs ought to be treated seriously in this respect and that the requirement giving rise to the proposal for author-supplied rationales should not be dismissed.
James suggests having it not disclosed by default.
James clarifies his proposed change: to adjust his example of possible UA rendering, i.e., the example dialogue graphic.
James: this may, for example, involve two graphics: the first is a dialogue requeesting information with an icon to reveal further details; when this is activated, the author-supplied rationale is presented.
Janina and James note (responding to Rich) that a response is expected from the Privacy Interest Group, but they seem to be generally comfortable with our approach.
Rich notes that we've taken the appropriate step of inviting their review.
James: he added a note stating that the screen reader properties may be at risk.
<jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" UI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" ui [on James Craig - due 2014-06-18].
<jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to change Window.settings interface to Navigator.settings [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Change window.settings interface to navigator.settings [on James Craig - due 2014-06-18].
<jcraig> trackbot, associate action-90 with product-3
<trackbot> action-90 (Change window.settings interface to navigator.settings) associated with product-3.
Janina asks whether any of the remaining actions (not yet done) should delay publication of the first public working draft.
<jcraig> trackbot, associate action-89 with product-3
<trackbot> action-89 (Update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" ui) associated with product-3.
<MichaelC> action-40 due 6 august
<trackbot> Set action-40 Add definitions of specific types of "implementations" to avoid vocabulary confusion within the working group due date to 2014-08-06.
Action 40 (terminology for different types of implementatins): does not need to be completed before publication; date moved out to August 6.
<trackbot> Error finding '40'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
<MichaelC> action-45: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/20-indie-ui-minutes
<trackbot> Notes added to action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys.
<scribe> ACTION: 45 to clarify differences between preferences and settings. James notes this is editorial. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Error finding '45'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
<MichaelC> action-45 due 6 august
<trackbot> Set action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys due date to 2014-08-06.
Nobody disagrees.
Date advanced accordingly.
<jcraig> action-45 due August 6
<trackbot> Set action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys due date to 2014-08-06.
<MichaelC> action-46 due 6 august
<trackbot> Set action-46 Add preference for signLanguageDialect (preferred list of ISO-specced lang codes: ASL, etc) due date to 2014-08-06.
<scribe> ACTION: 46 to preference for sign language dialect. Shifted to August. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Error finding '46'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
<MichaelC> action-47 due 6 august
<trackbot> Set action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt due date to 2014-08-06.
<MichaelC> action-47: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/20-indie-ui-minutes
<trackbot> Notes added to action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt.
<scribe> ACTION: 47 to language/country code normative references. Again not urgent. The link needs to be updated. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Error finding '47'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: 48 to clarify reason for using subtitle superset terms. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Error finding '48'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
James notes that the newest standard uses "subtitles" and has been internationalized.
<jcraig> action-48 due 6 august
<trackbot> Set action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset due date to 2014-08-06.
Janina notes that the media task force (PF and HTML) should take up the issue of terminology in this area.
Consensus: this need not be resolved before publishing.
<jcraig> action-47: coordinate with HTML-a11y
<trackbot> Notes added to action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt.
<jcraig> action-48: coordinate with HTML-a11y
<trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
<MichaelC> action-48: forked to HTML A11Y TF action-266 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/266
<trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
<MichaelC> action-48: need to make edits to IndieUI after HTML A11Y TF sorts it
<trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
James the two newly created actions should be completed before publishing.
RESOLUTION: teleconference approves publishing User Context as first public working draft, with chair to issue a call for consensus on list.
Note that the two actions remaining to be completed will be done before the draft is published (the normative change immediately, followed by the editorial revision of the dialogue example).
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