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20:34:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
20:34:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
20:34:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
20:34:08 <trackbot> Date: 11 June 2014
20:34:20 <janina_> agenda?
20:34:26 <janina_> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
20:34:26 <janina_> Chair: Janina_Sajka
20:34:26 <janina_> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
20:34:26 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
20:34:26 <janina_> agenda+ Editor's Report
20:34:28 <janina_> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
20:34:31 <janina_> agenda+ Is User Context ready for FPWD?
20:34:34 <janina_> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
20:34:37 <janina_> agenda+  Other Business
20:34:39 <janina_> agenda+ Be Done
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20:56:31 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started
20:56:38 <Zakim> +??P0
20:56:47 <janina_>  zakim, ??P0 is me
20:56:48 <Zakim> +janina_; got it
20:56:56 <janina_> zakim, take up item 1
20:56:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
20:57:32 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:57:47 <Zakim> +??P2
20:58:07 <kurosawa> Zakim, ??P2 is me
20:58:08 <Zakim> +kurosawa; got it
20:59:36 <Zakim> +[Apple]
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21:00:43 <Zakim> +??P4
21:00:50 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the phone?
21:00:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina_, Michael_Cooper, kurosawa, [Apple], ??P4
21:01:00 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple is jcraig
21:01:01 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
21:01:24 <jcraig> Zakim, ??P4 is jasonjgw
21:01:25 <Zakim> +jasonjgw; got it
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21:03:45 <jasonjgw> scribe: jasonjgw
21:04:13 <jcraig> https://www.webkit.org/blog/3302/aria_and_accessibility_inspector/
21:05:03 <jasonjgw> James: using ARIA with WebKit Accessibility Inspector.
21:05:14 <jcraig> Using ARIA 1.0 and the WebKit Accessibility Node Inspector
21:06:14 <jasonjgw> Janina notes an upcoming forum in Berlin on the "Web of things". Janina will be presenting there in two weeks.
21:06:25 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
21:06:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/" taken up [from janina_]
21:06:41 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
21:06:58 <jasonjgw> Janina: TPAC registration is open.
21:07:39 <jasonjgw> Michael: IndieUI coincides with the WebApps meeting - both on Monday/Tuesday.
21:08:13 <jasonjgw> PF on Thursday/Friday.
21:09:34 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
21:09:35 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Editor's Report" taken up [from janina_]
21:10:35 <jasonjgw> James integrated most of Rich's comments into the User Context draft.
21:13:38 <jasonjgw> Janina and Michael note (referring to an earlier item) the need to coordinate with other working groups at TPAC regarding agenda.
21:15:54 <jasonjgw> James (resuming report): comments have been addressed in the draft; questions remain about some of the comments, which James raised on list.
21:17:12 <jasonjgw> All of the changes were editorial.
21:23:05 <jasonjgw> James corresponded with WebApps regarding privacy issues and geolocation. Concerns were raised by geolocation about a proposal for the geolocation API to follow IndieUI in allowing the author to specify a rationale when prompting for permission to access information.
21:23:49 <janina_> q?
21:25:27 <jasonjgw> James notes the concern and plans to modify the draft. The concern is that such a dialogue could be misused to deceive users.
21:26:48 <jasonjgw> James suspects that his example (as provided in the current draft) could have been the basis of the concern, but there are other ways of implementing the requirement. For example, the author-supplied message can be hidden by default, but revealed as necessary by the user.
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21:29:23 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that users' needs ought to be treated seriously in this respect and that the requirement giving rise to the proposal for author-supplied rationales should not be dismissed.
21:29:46 <jasonjgw> James suggests having it not disclosed by default.
21:32:10 <jasonjgw> James clarifies his proposed change: to adjust his example of possible UA rendering, i.e., the example dialogue graphic.
21:33:21 <jasonjgw> James: this may, for example, involve two graphics: the first is a dialogue requeesting information with an icon to reveal further details; when this is activated, the author-supplied rationale is presented.
21:34:07 <MichaelC> ack me
21:34:46 <jasonjgw> Janina and James note (responding to Rich) that a response is expected from the Privacy Interest Group, but they seem to be generally comfortable with our approach.
21:35:56 <jasonjgw> Rich notes that we've taken the appropriate step of inviting their review.
21:37:01 <jasonjgw> James: he added a note stating that the screen reader properties may be at risk.
21:37:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
21:37:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3" taken up [from janina_]
21:38:13 <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" UI
21:38:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" ui [on James Craig - due 2014-06-18].
21:39:02 <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to change Window.settings interface to Navigator.settings
21:39:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Change window.settings interface to navigator.settings [on James Craig - due 2014-06-18].
21:40:04 <jcraig> trackbot, associate action-90 with product-3
21:40:04 <trackbot> action-90 (Change window.settings interface to navigator.settings) associated with product-3.
21:40:11 <jasonjgw> Janina asks whether any of the remaining actions (not yet done) should delay publication of the first public working draft.
21:40:22 <jcraig> trackbot, associate action-89 with product-3
21:40:22 <trackbot> action-89 (Update the example dialog graphic to not show justification string in "trusted" ui) associated with product-3.
21:42:11 <MichaelC> action-40 due 6 august
21:42:11 <trackbot> Set action-40 Add definitions of specific types of "implementations" to avoid vocabulary confusion within the working group due date to 2014-08-06.
21:42:21 <jasonjgw> Action 40 (terminology for different types of implementatins): does not need to be completed before publication; date moved out to August 6.
21:42:21 <trackbot> Error finding '40'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
21:43:07 <MichaelC> action-45: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/20-indie-ui-minutes
21:43:07 <trackbot> Notes added to action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys.
21:43:18 <jasonjgw> Action 45: clarify differences between preferences and settings. James notes this is editorial.
21:43:18 <trackbot> Error finding '45'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
21:43:21 <MichaelC> action-45 due 6 august
21:43:22 <trackbot> Set action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys due date to 2014-08-06.
21:43:22 <jasonjgw> Nobody disagrees.
21:43:28 <jasonjgw> Date advanced accordingly.
21:43:29 <jcraig> action-45 due August 6
21:43:29 <trackbot> Set action-45 Clarify difference between "preference" and "state setting"; adopt naming convention of keys due date to 2014-08-06.
21:43:58 <MichaelC> action-46 due 6 august
21:43:58 <trackbot> Set action-46 Add preference for signLanguageDialect (preferred list of ISO-specced lang codes: ASL, etc) due date to 2014-08-06.
21:44:11 <jasonjgw> Action 46: preference for sign language dialect. Shifted to August.
21:44:11 <trackbot> Error finding '46'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
21:45:54 <MichaelC> action-47 due 6 august
21:45:55 <trackbot> Set action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt due date to 2014-08-06.
21:46:05 <MichaelC> action-47: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/20-indie-ui-minutes
21:46:05 <trackbot> Notes added to action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt.
21:46:08 <jasonjgw> Action 47: language/country code normative references. Again not urgent. The link needs to be updated.
21:46:08 <trackbot> Error finding '47'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
21:46:52 <jasonjgw> Action 48: clarify reason for using subtitle superset terms.
21:46:52 <trackbot> Error finding '48'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
21:47:54 <jasonjgw> James notes that the newest standard uses "subtitles" and has been internationalized.
21:49:28 <jcraig> action-48 due 6 august
21:49:28 <trackbot> Set action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset due date to 2014-08-06.
21:49:39 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that the media task force (PF and HTML) should take up the issue of terminology in this area.
21:50:00 <jasonjgw> Consensus: this need not be resolved before publishing.
21:50:04 <jcraig> action-47: coordinate with HTML-a11y
21:50:05 <trackbot> Notes added to action-47 Change ISO-639 and ISO-3166 to BCP 47 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt.
21:50:47 <jcraig> action-48: coordinate with HTML-a11y
21:50:47 <trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
21:51:46 <MichaelC> action-48: forked to HTML A11Y TF action-266 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/266
21:51:46 <trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
21:52:20 <MichaelC> action-48: need to make edits to IndieUI after HTML A11Y TF sorts it
21:52:20 <trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset.
21:52:55 <jasonjgw> James the two newly created actions should be completed before publishing.
21:57:32 <jasonjgw> RESOLUTION: teleconference approves publishing User Context as first public working draft, with chair to issue a call for consensus on list.
21:58:27 <jasonjgw> Note that the two actions remaining to be completed will be done before the draft is published (the normative change immediately, followed by the editorial revision of the dialogue example).
22:02:24 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:02:24 <Zakim> -jasonjgw
22:02:26 <Zakim> -jcraig
22:02:26 <Zakim> -janina_
22:02:29 <jasonjgw> zakim, list participants
22:02:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina_, Michael_Cooper, kurosawa, jcraig, jasonjgw, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:02:31 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:02:32 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has ended
22:02:32 <Zakim> Attendees were janina_, Michael_Cooper, kurosawa, jcraig, jasonjgw, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:02:43 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
22:02:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-indie-ui-minutes.html jasonjgw
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