<AlexOConnorTCD> Hello?

<scribe> scribe: fsasaki

introduction to its2

http://de.slideshare.net/atcfsenzoku/its2-ontologylocalization

felix presenting slides, thanks for the presentation

<AlexOConnorTCD> Thanks Felix, that was a very clear presentation

<AlexOConnorTCD> Could I ask a question?

sure, just go on, check with the chairs

jorge: details on NIF conversion? and on slide 12: that is effect of adding rules in ontology defiinitno?

http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#conversion-to-nif

http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/examples/nif/EX-nif-conversion-output.ttl

http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#nif-backconversion

<AlexOConnorTCD> some difficulty hearing you, felix

<AlexOConnorTCD> My question has two parts: I have some data which covers mediaeval documents, which can have several languages and character sets in them. Does ITS help with this?

<AlexOConnorTCD> they are generally xml marked up

<AlexOConnorTCD> that's very useful to know!

<AlexOConnorTCD> allowed characters checking for validating the results of tools

<AlexOConnorTCD> ok thanks

<AlexOConnorTCD> example description : Old Church Slavonic may be written in either Cyrillic or Glagolitic scripts, and even occasionally in both within the same manuscript

<AlexOConnorTCD> thank you Felix, we might discuss this somewhat more in person, but I think it might make an intriguing use case

<AlexOConnorTCD> cool. thank you!

thanks a lot for the opportunity to present this here!

new co-chair

jorge: at the beginning of the week we asked for volunteers
... anybody wants to step up?
... john is volunteering, so welcome john!

congrats to john!

<labra> welcome john!

+1 john :)

<AlexOConnorTCD> May your reign of terror be a happy one :)

review of actions

<jorge> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/21-bpmlod-minutes.htm

<jorge> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/21-bpmlod-minutes.html

<scribe> new subpattern - done by john

<jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes

going through other actions

[have to stop scribing for 5 min, can somebody jump in?]

<AlexOConnorTCD> how does this pattern interact with country variants?

<AlexOConnorTCD> like en-GB

<jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Dereferencing

<jorge> New pattern P1.8

[back, will continue scribing]

<jorge> Anyone aware of a real usage of p1.8 for rdf?

<jmccrae> nope, DBpedia does not seem to do this either

jose: pattern can be used to separate the representation of a resource from teh language details of the pattern
... e.g. representation of a hammer - it is the concept of a hammer, distinct from specific labels in spanish etc.
... could be done in this way, for ontologies etc.

<labra> http://bpmlod.github.io/report

report looks already very good!

jose: can motivate people to contribute with a report about what we are doing here
... above link shows the report draft

<jorge> looks nice!

jorge: looks very nice

jose: maybe felix can help us to move the report forward
... currently this is on gitub
... not sure how to do that in the CG

felix: will look at this

<scribe> ACTION: felix to check out publicatino process for CG report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html#action01]

john: you can publish through the CG portal

jose: is it possible to have issues in github?

<labra> https://github.com/bpmlod/report

jose: source code for report is in HTML

<labra> https://github.com/bpmlod/report/issues

jose: there is an issue tracker for git hub
... we don't use it

<scribe> ACTION: felix to install issue tracking for bpmlod [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html#action02]

<jorge> there are is also a W3C tracker

<labra> https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org

john: we can use the github tracker

ok, so felix won't install the w3c one, to avoid duplication

jorge: the issue tracker in github is for the report - the w3c one for general things

jose: not sure what the best approach is

<jorge> does anyone have xperience with both?

jose: one tracker for the report, or both

[I have experience only with the w3c one]

[some rudimentary experience with the github issues]

jorge: in principle I am in favour of w3c tracker, it can help to record various kinds of information

<AlexOConnorTCD> Alex.OConnor@scss.tcd.ie is my github email

fsasaki@w3.org

jorge: send a mail to the group, asking for the github ID

discussing patterns

<jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Textual_information

jorge: goal is to understand the patterns and arguments pro / con

jose going through patterns

<jorge> P2.1 Label Everything

<labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Multilingual_labels.html

<jorge> P2.2 Multilingual labels, P2.3 Labels without language tags

<AlexOConnorTCD> Could I ask a related question to my previous? en-gb or 'old slavonic with cyrillic script' as examples?

<jmccrae> chu-Cyrl?

<AlexOConnorTCD> one technical issue: does the '-' character make trouble for IRIs?

<AlexOConnorTCD> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 is the answer?

<AlexOConnorTCD> brilliant, thank you!

<jmccrae> yep

here is a language tags validator, that may help: http://schneegans.de/lv/?tags=chu-Cyrl&format=text

<labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Divide_long_descriptions.html

<jorge> P2.4 Divide longer descriptions P2.5 Provide lexical information P2.6 Structured literals

[sorry, have to leave now for a different call - talk to you again in two weeks - cheers]

<labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Lexical_information.html

<jmccrae> that tag is valid http://www.lexvo.org/page/iso639-3/chu

<jmccrae> but the validator says not

ah, so the validation tool is out of date

the w3c HTML validator fetches the subtag registry regularly, so it should understand "chu"

<jorge> Does it have any sense to add the use of ITS related tags for translation purposes as a pattern?

<MaudEhrmann> bye

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