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11:03:07 <fsasaki> meeting: BPMLOD call
11:03:14 <fsasaki> chair: jorge_jose
11:03:24 <fsasaki> agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Teleconference,_7/03/2014#Agenda
11:03:44 <fsasaki> present: maud, john, gary, jorge, jose, felix
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11:06:44 <AlexOConnorTCD> Hello?
11:06:45 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
11:07:01 <fsasaki> topic: introduction to its2
11:07:09 <fsasaki> http://de.slideshare.net/atcfsenzoku/its2-ontologylocalization
11:14:55 <fsasaki> felix presenting slides, thanks for the presentation
11:14:57 <AlexOConnorTCD> Thanks Felix, that was a very clear presentation
11:15:28 <AlexOConnorTCD> Could I ask a question?
11:15:48 <fsasaki> sure, just go on, check with the chairs
11:16:43 <fsasaki> jorge: details on NIF conversion? and on slide 12: that is effect of adding rules in ontology defiinitno?
11:16:46 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#conversion-to-nif
11:17:35 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/examples/nif/EX-nif-conversion-output.ttl
11:18:12 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#nif-backconversion
11:19:33 <AlexOConnorTCD> some difficulty hearing you, felix
11:21:13 <AlexOConnorTCD> My question has two parts: I have some data which covers mediaeval documents, which can have several languages and character sets in them. Does ITS help with this?
11:22:01 <AlexOConnorTCD> they are generally xml marked up
11:23:01 <AlexOConnorTCD> that's very useful to know!
11:23:21 <AlexOConnorTCD> allowed characters checking for validating the results of tools
11:23:24 <AlexOConnorTCD> ok thanks
11:23:29 <AlexOConnorTCD> example description : Old Church Slavonic may be written in either Cyrillic or Glagolitic scripts, and even occasionally in both within the same manuscript
11:24:05 <AlexOConnorTCD> thank you Felix, we might discuss this somewhat more in person, but I think it might make an intriguing use case
11:24:27 <AlexOConnorTCD> cool. thank you!
11:24:41 <fsasaki> thanks a lot for the opportunity to present this here!
11:24:52 <fsasaki> topic: new co-chair
11:25:16 <fsasaki> jorge: at the beginning of the week we asked for volunteers
11:26:32 <fsasaki> .. anybody wants to step up?
11:26:44 <fsasaki> .. john is volunteering, so welcome john!
11:26:49 <fsasaki> congrats to john!
11:26:53 <labra> welcome john!
11:26:54 <fsasaki> +1 john :)
11:26:54 <AlexOConnorTCD> May your reign of terror be a happy one :)
11:27:08 <fsasaki> topic: review of actions
11:27:14 <jorge> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/21-bpmlod-minutes.htm
11:27:28 <jorge> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/21-bpmlod-minutes.html
11:28:04 <fsasaki> new subpattern - done by john
11:28:27 <jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes
11:28:45 <fsasaki> going through other actions
11:29:00 <fsasaki> [have to stop scribing for 5 min, can somebody jump in?]
11:29:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
11:29:40 <AlexOConnorTCD> how does this pattern interact with country variants?
11:29:44 <fsasaki> present: fsasaki, john, Maud, alex, jose, jorge, phil
11:29:45 <AlexOConnorTCD> like en-GB
11:29:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
11:31:43 <jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Dereferencing
11:35:00 <jorge> New pattern P1.8
11:35:18 <fsasaki> [back, will continue scribing]
11:35:19 <jorge> Anyone aware of a real usage of p1.8 for rdf?
11:36:14 <jmccrae> nope, DBpedia does not seem to do this either
11:36:33 <fsasaki> jose: pattern can be used to separate the representation of a resource from teh language details of the pattern
11:36:54 <fsasaki> .. e.g. representation of a hammer - it is the concept of a hammer, distinct from specific labels in spanish etc.
11:37:06 <fsasaki> .. could be done in this way, for ontologies etc.
11:37:19 <labra> http://bpmlod.github.io/report
11:38:12 <fsasaki> report looks already very good!
11:38:30 <fsasaki> jose: can motivate people to contribute with a report about what we are doing here
11:38:58 <fsasaki> .. above link shows the report draft
11:39:22 <jorge> looks nice!
11:39:23 <fsasaki> jorge: looks very nice
11:39:34 <fsasaki> jose: maybe felix can help us to move the report forward
11:39:44 <fsasaki> .. currently this is on gitub
11:39:49 <fsasaki> .. not sure how to do that in the CG
11:39:57 <fsasaki> felix: will look at this
11:40:09 <fsasaki> action: felix to check out publicatino process for CG report
11:40:49 <fsasaki> john: you can publish through the CG portal
11:41:55 <fsasaki> jose: is it possible to have issues in github?
11:42:02 <labra> https://github.com/bpmlod/report
11:42:08 <fsasaki> .. source code for report is in HTML
11:42:18 <labra> https://github.com/bpmlod/report/issues
11:42:25 <fsasaki> .. there is an issue tracker for git hub
11:42:31 <fsasaki> .. we don't use it
11:42:40 <fsasaki> action: felix to install issue tracking for bpmlod
11:42:44 <jorge> there are is also a W3C tracker
11:42:54 <labra> https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org
11:43:05 <fsasaki> john: we can use the github tracker
11:43:16 <fsasaki> ok, so felix won't install the w3c one, to avoid duplication
11:44:00 <fsasaki> jorge: the issue tracker in github is for the report - the w3c one for general things
11:44:08 <fsasaki> jose: not sure what the best approach is
11:44:22 <jorge> does anyone have xperience with both?
11:44:31 <fsasaki> .. one tracker for the report, or both
11:44:42 <fsasaki> [I have experience only with the w3c one]
11:45:00 <fsasaki> [some rudimentary experience with the github issues]
11:45:38 <fsasaki> jorge: in principle I am in favour of w3c tracker, it can help to record various kinds of information
11:45:49 <AlexOConnorTCD> Alex.OConnor@scss.tcd.ie is my github email
11:45:58 <fsasaki> fsasaki@w3.org
11:46:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
11:46:27 <fsasaki> jorge: send a mail to the group, asking for the github ID
11:47:16 <fsasaki> topic: discussing patterns
11:47:38 <jorge> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Textual_information
11:48:50 <fsasaki> jorge: goal is to understand the patterns and arguments pro / con
11:49:02 <fsasaki> jose going through patterns
11:50:36 <jorge> P2.1 Label Everything
11:51:35 <labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Multilingual_labels.html
11:52:58 <jorge> P2.2 Multilingual labels, P2.3 Labels without language tags
11:54:30 <AlexOConnorTCD> Could I ask a related question to my previous? en-gb or 'old slavonic with cyrillic script' as examples?
11:55:01 <jmccrae> chu-Cyrl?
11:55:53 <AlexOConnorTCD> one technical issue: does the '-' character make trouble for IRIs?
11:56:08 <AlexOConnorTCD> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 is the answer?
11:56:13 <AlexOConnorTCD> brilliant, thank you!
11:56:26 <jmccrae> yep
11:57:02 <fsasaki> here is a language tags validator, that may help: http://schneegans.de/lv/?tags=chu-Cyrl&format=text
11:57:19 <labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Divide_long_descriptions.html
11:57:30 <jorge> P2.4 Divide longer descriptions P2.5 Provide lexical information P2.6 Structured literals
11:57:59 <fsasaki> [sorry, have to leave now for a different call - talk to you again in two weeks - cheers]
11:58:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
11:58:25 <labra> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Lexical_information.html
11:58:25 <jmccrae> that tag is valid http://www.lexvo.org/page/iso639-3/chu
11:58:28 <Zakim> -fsasaki
11:58:35 <jmccrae> but the validator says not
11:58:40 <fsasaki> ah, so the validation tool is out of date
11:59:00 <Zakim> -jose
11:59:02 <fsasaki> the w3c HTML validator fetches the subtag registry regularly, so it should understand "chu"
11:59:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
11:59:45 <jorge> Does it have any sense to add the use of ITS related tags for translation purposes as a pattern?
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12:01:17 <jorge> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:01:17 <MaudEhrmann> bye
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