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<trackbot> Date: 28 February 2014
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques#Instructions_to_the_Task_Force
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/HTML_Techniques
<alistair> Running a little late
<Kathy> scribe: Kathleen
Kathy: let's talk about the techniques
<Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/
Kathy: we noticed the technique might not need chnages but the understanding documents might need changing
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques
Kathy: add notes for the understanding section
<Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html
Kathy: we need to decide what we want to do and how we want to document this
DavidTodd: would be nice to have it all in one place
Kathy: it gets tricky because of all the relationships
alan_: will it be a separate document specific to mobile?
Kathy: I will create a separate
document for the Understanding
... from there we can figure out the changes
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_Understanding_WCAG_2.0
Detlev: what's going to happen with the draft WCAG understnding page?
Kathy: we will be making chnages
to the techniques and understanding documents
... we are waiting for the WCAG to come back and tell us how to
make those chnages
... will be discussions on that at CSUN
... any other suggestions on how we can document proposed
changes?
... I will put out a survey
... understanding socuments will be a better fit if you are not
technical
<Detlev> no
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
Kathy: please review New WCAG 2.0 Techniques an then we will discuss
<jeanne> I think Mobile Web section should include support for user stylesheets to customize appearance of web sites.
<Jon_avila> I'm good.
<jeanne> ... although that may be a UAAG 2.0 issue more than WCAG.
Kathleen: add a long touch to #4 - Define the hover, focus, selected and touch states
Jon_avila: server-side?
Jon_avlia: best practice?
Jon_avila: look at BBC guidelines
Detlev: failure specific to the use of screenreaders?
<jeanne> Jeanne: Also look at the Funka Nu guidelines for ideas
Detlev: how do we scope the techniques?
Kathy: what things are missing?
Jon_avlia: an area of concern - keyboard success criteria - for apps designed to work without a keyboard
Jon_avila: what would constiture equivelent access?
Kathy: everything we do gets run by WCAG
Jon_avila: we are seeing that you have to swipe in from the side with no visual indication that you have to do that
KIMPatch: what's missing is discoverability
<Jon_avila> both
DavidTodd: many apps have tutorials
<alan_> Sorry, had to drop call.
Kathy: instructions for custom
functions and gestures
... does #12 apply to both mobile web and mobile apps?
DavidTodd: i think it applies to both
Detlev: isn't this already in WCAG?
Kathy: anything else we need to add?
<Detlev> needs more time for thought..
Kathy: over the next see if
there's anything else that needs to be added
... look at techniques - the ones we haven't gone through
Jon_avila: what if we have something we don't agree on? Put a comment with our name?
Kathy: Yes
... survey coming later today
KimPatch: the more eyes, the better
<Detlev> bye
<wuwei> bye
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