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12:44:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:44:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:44:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:44:06 <trackbot> Date: 28 February 2014
12:44:12 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
12:44:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Kathy
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14:08:52 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
14:08:52 <Zakim> ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 52 minutes
14:09:06 <Kathy> agenda?
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14:36:35 <KimPatch> agenda?
14:52:13 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
14:52:20 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
14:53:04 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
14:53:15 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques#Instructions_to_the_Task_Force
14:54:11 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/HTML_Techniques
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14:59:29 <alistair> Running a little late
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15:00:19 <Zakim> +Kathleen
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15:02:48 <Kathy> chair: Kathy
15:02:54 <Kathy> scribe: Kathleen
15:03:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:10 <alistair> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:03:10 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:03:11 <MichaelC> ack me
15:03:38 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Jon_Avila
15:03:38 <Zakim> +Jon_Avila; got it
15:03:56 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:03:57 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
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15:04:58 <kathleen> zakim, who is one the phone?
15:04:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, kathleen.
15:05:01 <Kathy> agenda?
15:05:07 <kathleen> zakim, who is on the phone
15:05:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', kathleen
15:05:16 <kathleen> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair
15:05:36 <kathleen> zakim, take up next
15:05:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0 Techniques & Understanding Documents" taken up [from Kathy]
15:07:27 <kathleen> Kathy: let's talk about the techniques
15:07:56 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/
15:08:04 <kathleen> Kathy: we noticed the technique might not need chnages but the understanding documents might need changing
15:08:29 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques
15:08:39 <kathleen> Kathy: add notes for the understanding section
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15:09:01 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html
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15:11:50 <kathleen> Kathy: we need to decide what we want to do and how we want to document this
15:12:40 <Zakim> +Detlev
15:12:52 <kathleen> DavidTodd: would be nice to have it all in one place
15:12:57 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:12:57 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:13:26 <kathleen> Kathy: it gets tricky because of all the relationships
15:15:21 <kathleen> alan_: will it be a separate document specific to mobile?
15:17:04 <kathleen> Kathy: I will create a separate document for the Understanding
15:17:13 <kathleen> Kathy: from there we can figure out the changes
15:18:39 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_Understanding_WCAG_2.0
15:19:31 <Detlev> q+
15:20:52 <Kathy> q?
15:20:55 <Detlev> ack me
15:21:20 <kathleen> Detlev: what's going to happen with the draft WCAG understnding page?
15:21:46 <kathleen> Kathy: we will be making chnages to the techniques and understanding documents
15:22:40 <kathleen> Kathy: we are waiting for the WCAG to come back and tell us how to make those chnages
15:22:58 <kathleen> Kathy: will be discussions on that at CSUN
15:23:54 <kathleen> Kathy: any other suggestions on how we can document proposed changes?
15:24:01 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:24:01 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:24:03 <kathleen> Kathy: I will put out a survey
15:24:30 <kathleen> Kathy: understanding socuments will be a better fit if you are not technical
15:25:18 <Kathy> q?
15:25:52 <Detlev> no
15:25:58 <Detlev> ack me
15:26:12 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
15:26:30 <kathleen> zakim, take up next
15:26:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "What is missing from WCAG 2.0 for Mobile Web and Mobile Apps" taken up [from Kathy]
15:26:30 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:26:32 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:26:44 <kathleen> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:26:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair, Detlev (muted)
15:27:48 <kathleen> Kathy: please review New WCAG 2.0 Techniques an then we will discuss
15:29:36 <jeanne> I think Mobile Web section should include support for user stylesheets to customize appearance of web sites.
15:29:51 <Jon_avila> I'm good.
15:30:03 <kathleen> q+
15:30:06 <jeanne> ... although that may be a UAAG 2.0 issue more than WCAG.
15:31:11 <kathleen> q-
15:31:33 <Jon_avila> q+
15:31:34 <Detlev> q+
15:31:39 <kathleen> Kathleen: add a long touch to #4 - Define the hover, focus, selected and touch states
15:31:52 <kathleen> Jon_avila: server-side?
15:32:27 <kathleen> Jon_avlia: best practice?
15:32:59 <Detlev> ack me
15:33:03 <kathleen> Jon_avila: look at BBC guidelines
15:33:40 <kathleen> Detlev: failure specific to the use of screenreaders?
15:33:49 <jeanne> Jeanne: Also look at the Funka Nu guidelines for ideas
15:34:27 <kathleen> Detlev: how do we scope the techniques?
15:36:28 <kathleen> Kathy: what things are missing?
15:36:54 <Jon_avila> q+
15:37:40 <kathleen> Jon_avlia: an area of concern - keyboard success criteria - for apps designed to work without a keyboard
15:38:03 <kathleen> Jon_avila: what would constiture equivelent access?
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15:39:17 <kathleen> Kathy: everything we do gets run by WCAG
15:39:29 <Kathy> q?
15:39:36 <Jon_avila> q+
15:40:06 <kathleen> Jon_avila: we are seeing that you have to swipe in from the side with no visual indication that you have to do that
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15:40:30 <kathleen> KIMPatch: what's missing is discoverability
15:40:40 <Jon_avila> both
15:41:35 <Jon_avila> q?
15:41:52 <Jon_avila> q-
15:42:01 <Detlev> q+
15:42:11 <kathleen> DavidTodd: many apps have tutorials
15:42:14 <Detlev> q-
15:42:22 <alan_> Sorry, had to drop call.
15:42:24 <kathleen> Kathy: instructions for custom functions and gestures
15:42:25 <Kathy> q?
15:42:41 <kathleen> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html kathleen
15:43:10 <Detlev> q+
15:43:12 <kathleen> Kathy: does #12 apply to both mobile web and mobile apps?
15:43:16 <Detlev> ack me
15:43:26 <kathleen> DavidTodd: i think it applies to both
15:44:05 <kathleen> Detlev: isn't this already in WCAG?
15:44:41 <Kathy> q?
15:44:59 <kathleen> Kathy: anything else we need to add?
15:45:13 <Detlev> needs more time for thought..
15:45:34 <kathleen> Kathy: over the next see if there's anything else that needs to be added
15:46:00 <kathleen> Kathy: look at techniques - the ones we haven't gone through
15:46:28 <Jon_avila> q+
15:47:10 <kathleen> Jon_avila: what if we have something we don't agree on? Put a comment with our name?
15:47:13 <kathleen> Kathy: Yes
15:48:43 <Detlev> q+
15:48:44 <Jon_avila> q-
15:49:51 <kathleen> Kathy: survey coming later today
15:50:04 <kathleen> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:50:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair, Detlev
15:50:27 <kathleen> KimPatch: the more eyes, the better
15:51:17 <kathleen> zakim, make minutes
15:51:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', kathleen
15:51:27 <kathleen> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html kathleen
15:51:45 <Detlev> bye
15:51:48 <Zakim> -Jon_Avila
15:51:48 <wuwei> bye
15:51:49 <Zakim> -alistair
15:51:49 <Zakim> -DavidTodd
15:51:50 <Zakim> -Detlev
15:51:52 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
15:51:53 <Zakim> -Kathleen
15:51:56 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:51:59 <Zakim> -Jeanne
15:52:00 <Zakim> -WuWei
15:52:26 <kathleen> I can't access the link for minutes
15:52:28 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
15:52:29 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has ended
15:52:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper, WuWei, +1.703.637.aaaa, alistair, Jon_Avila, Detlev
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18:11:06 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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18:11:09 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
18:11:37 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:11:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
18:11:40 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
18:11:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items