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<trackbot> Date: 19 February 2014
<janina> Meeting: PFWG telecon
<janina> agenda: this
<scribe> scribenick: joanie
[Group does introductions for SK]
<janina> 87
<wuwei> unmute me
<wuwei> unmute me
SK: introduces herself
RS: I have news
<richardschwerdtfeger> IBM/IDPF ePub announcement:
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://idpf.org/news/ibm_adopts_epub
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://idpf.org/news/ibm_adopts_epub-supporter-quotes
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2014/02/epub-mobile.html
RS: Discusses the above
items
... Moving away from PDF to EPub for documentation
... One of the main drivers for this change is mobile
... Because PDF is not really a good format for mobile
... NFB and AFB participated in this
... Boeing looked at this and asked him how to make this
change
... ETS is also interested
... The above blog entry gives additional details
... Starting in the 3rd quarter of this year is when the switch
will occur.
... Next item:
... (withdraws that item as it will be mentioned under ARIA as
per JS)
CS: Does her introduction for SK
MC: Wanted to bring up....
... ... there's a draft for the CSS guide that Judy Brewer
JS: We have agreed to start
publishing our minutes to the public but agreed to review them
first for any corrections
... Asks for edits/corrections
... Are there objections to publishing them as written?
(There are no objections)
MC: I have made them public
MC: There are no new TR
documents
... or last calls that i know of
... CSS draft charter is:
<MichaelC> Draft CSS Charter
MC: Typically, when there is a WG
charter, we look to see if there is a dependency on
accessibility
... Beyond that, the CSS WG is one of those groups with an
indeterminate set of deliverables at the moment
... There are currently approximately 40, some of which with
timelines
... How do these deliverables affect us?
RS: One of the things that
immediately comes to mind is media queries
... I don't see anything from IndieUI here
... This needs to be on the roadmap
JS: In fact, we asked them for these inclusions
MC: From a charter perspective,
I'm not sure I'd expect this
... This would be something we'd coordinate with them
... They should depend on IndieUI
RS: Absolutely
MC: We should take this to the discussion
<richardschwerdtfeger> ach richardschwerdtfeger
JS: Do we want to name a formal liaison?
<richardschwerdtfeger> ach richardschwerdtfeger
JS: If so, James Craig would be
an ideal candidate for this role
... If not James, perhaps someone else would like to be a
liaison?
... Second point, James N had a specific point on his action
item
JN: I was looking for the
definiton of "content"
... I could not find an updated definition
... Link was in the CSS 2.1 generate module, but surely it's
somewhere else (we think?)
MC: Is this a charter comment?
JS: I think it is. We are requesting a deliverable of them.
MC: Normally, you have to charter
for a recommendation track deliverable.
... A group wouldn't likely do that based on a title
... We'd have to send them something more concrete
... This charter does say the working group may create new
specifications.
... I wonder if the feedback might be, "We think you might want
a deliverable about...."
JS: I wouldn't wiggle on this too
much
... I think we can strongly advise them that this would be
useful
... Any disagreement?
... We can wordsmith later; explaining the principle is the key
thing
... James N, can you write up the notion
JN: I think so, yes
<janina> ACTION: nurthen to draft the concept of a css overview to definitions and key concepts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1385 - Draft the concept of a css overview to definitions and key concepts [on James Nurthen - due 2014-02-26].
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/
RS: CSS speech module
... (link above)
... They have been in CR for 2 years now
... One of the things brought up at EduPub, they are specifying
a UI as if the content author were a screen reader expert
... It would be better to allow students to make use of AT
during test.
... but fill in key gaps that would help
... A lexicon for expanding terms
... Would like to do this with CSS
... Example "mps" spoken as "meters per second"
JS: I agree that these are good
ideas
... Perhaps we could help
... But is it a charter issue?
RS: There are many things in the
charter, this is not one of their things to do
... How do we raise this requirement
MC: I don't have any thoughts (on how to go about doing this)
<janina> ACTION: rich to draft concept of enhancement for apip to css speech [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-pf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1386 - Draft concept of enhancement for apip to css speech [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2014-02-26].
JS: We can discuss this further on list.
<MichaelC> Declarative Linked Data Apps CG
MC: Describes new group linked
above
... On the one hand, this might be a positive approach. On the
other hand, this is academic
JS: This might not be tracking
CS: If they get traction, we should follow it
MC: Will add it to the list to review later
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/pr-WAI-ARIA1-UAIG1/results
RS: What I need you to do is
speak to your AC reps
... Michael your target is a minimum of 20 by 7 March
MC: The sooner the better
RS: I got three signed up, with
more in the queue
... I need others to help in this area
... Everyone who has weighed in (9) have said accept as-is
MC: I asked Shane about that
public comment
... Shane said he'd accept Ivan's option on that.
SM: He's an expert in this area
JS: Does this include referencing the new documents coming out this February?
SM: Yes, that doesn't hurt us at all.
RS: One question for
Michael:
... Do you have a list of all AC Reps
MC: Yes, I believe there's a public page of member organizations. I need to go find it.
RS: I can reach out to people, but I need to know whom
MC: Here's the list
<MichaelC> Current Members
JF: If you provide it, I can help too.
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2012/registrants
<MichaelC> Member-only AC list
(Group discusses specifics)
got discoed
need scribe
will call back in
<janina> scribe: janina
[discussion on organizing outreach to AC members per list above]
<joanie> scribenick: joanie
JS: We seem to have settled on a
name
... Per previous discussions at this meeting
... Accessible Platform Architectures
... Per procedure put out a last call for thumbs up/down
... Got a flury of support
... My question to the group: Are we ready to move this forward
for consideration for approval?
... Last step is 48 hour consensus call
<janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: PFWG approves a name change to Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group
RESOLUTION: PFWG approves a name change to Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group
JS: Will start the 48-hour
consensus call
... This will take a while to bubble up
JS: I assume there are no updates
MC confirms
JS: James N had an action item on this to investigate what happened to an objection we raised
JN: Generally I think everything was dealt with -- at least most things
[Looking for related email]
JN: I found the email, but have
not yet found link in archives
... We had apparently agreed to accept it with following
steps
<janina> His email is at:
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Feb/0046.html
[JN reads from email above]
JN: To me that's a good statement which covers our objections
CS: It does cover them
technically
... Has this been seen in wild?
JN: Yes it has
[JN reads second item from email above]
JN: Nothing about how to use
sprites with content property
... WCAG technique for this has not yet been done
[JN continues reading]
JN: Last reference found in 2.1
module
... So either it hasn't happened or he hasn't been able to find
it
... It might be in one of the specs I haven't looked at.
CS: I also remember a discussion about media queries
JN: I remember that too, but it's not in the notes/comments
JS: This came up last week as
part of a last call
... Are we seeing anything which heightens our concerns?
<JF> me must drop. Rich, I will send you an email of some folks I can reach out to - watch your inbox. Bye all.
CS: Is that module a reasonable place to put a media query
:)
[MC is looking for reference]
MC: In backgrounds and borders
CS: That would make sense as the place to put it
JS: That's the basis to take this
up next week
... If people could look at that, it would be helpful
CS: I'll look at it
<janina> ACTION: cyns to review css 3 background and borders spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-pf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1387 - Review css 3 background and borders spec [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-26].
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