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13:57:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:57 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2011
13:58:06 <sandro> kasei, definitely worth talking about explicitely.
Sandro Hawke: kasei, definitely worth talking about explicitely. ←
13:58:24 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-09-13
13:58:34 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:58:50 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Alexandre Passant, Paul Gearon
Scribe problem: the name 'Paul Gearon' does not match any of the 64 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Carlos Buil Aranda Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nicholas Humfrey Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige
13:58:50 <AxelPolleres> (Paul Gearon - partial regrets - joined later)
Axel Polleres: (Paul Gearon - partial regrets - joined later) ←
14:00:18 <NickH> appologies, I am going to miss this call due to another meeting
Nicholas Humfrey: appologies, I am going to miss this call due to another meeting ←
14:02:07 <AndyS> scribe: Andy
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:02:16 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:02:31 <AndyS> topic: Admin
14:02:31 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:02:35 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me ←
14:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, Sandro, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SteveH, Alex, MattPerry, +1.216.368.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, Sandro, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SteveH, Alex, MattPerry, +1.216.368.aadd ←
14:03:32 <AndyS> Telecon series reboot after the "summer"
Telecon series reboot after the "summer" ←
14:03:50 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23 ←
14:04:11 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23 ←
14:04:34 <AndyS> Next regular meeting: 2011-09-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
Next regular meeting: 2011-09-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST ←
14:05:19 <AxelPolleres> Andy: current RDF issues are on a poll on lang tagged literals, syntax issues.
Andy Seaborne: current RDF issues are on a poll on lang tagged literals, syntax issues. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:05:20 <AndyS> topic: RDF coordination
14:05:20 <AndyS> AndyS: 3 areas
Andy Seaborne: 3 areas ←
14:05:58 <AndyS> ... 1/ Lang tag literals poll happening
... 1/ Lang tag literals poll happening ←
14:06:16 <AndyS> ... 2/ Desire for work on graphs and graph terminology
... 2/ Desire for work on graphs and graph terminology ←
14:06:49 <AndyS> ... 3/ No progress on Turtle syntax
... 3/ No progress on Turtle syntax ←
14:09:41 <AndyS> ... Critical issue is WG note in query LC doc
... Critical issue is WG note in query LC doc ←
14:09:41 <AxelPolleres> Andy: all abstract model issue can go to the compatibility document, but we need the issues in the red boxes in our LC draft fixed.
Andy Seaborne: all abstract model issue can go to the compatibility document, but we need the issues in the red boxes in our LC draft fixed. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:09:56 <AndyS> ... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar
... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar ←
14:10:57 <AndyS> Topic: Publications
14:11:15 <AndyS> JSON, CSV/TSV can publish today
JSON, CSV/TSV can publish today ←
14:11:37 <AndyS> Sandro: just JSON
Sandro Hawke: just JSON ←
14:11:42 <AndyS> ... not CSV/TSV
... not CSV/TSV ←
14:12:04 <AndyS> Axel: Prefer to publish together ... JSON and CSV/TSV
Axel Polleres: Prefer to publish together ... JSON and CSV/TSV ←
14:12:21 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/WD-csv-tsv-2011-08.html
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/WD-csv-tsv-2011-08.html ←
14:12:44 <AndyS> Editors working copy: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html
Editors working copy: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html ←
14:13:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26#resolution_2
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26#resolution_2 ←
14:14:13 <AndyS> Axel to send Sandro the confirmation email.
Axel to send Sandro the confirmation email. ←
14:14:31 <AndyS> Sandro: will try to get these out today or Thursday.
Sandro Hawke: will try to get these out today or Thursday. ←
14:14:39 <AndyS> Axel: Announcements ...
Axel Polleres: Announcements ... ←
14:15:15 <AndyS> Sandro: auto to W3C front page, nowhere else. I will ping the WG when it's on the W3C home page.
Sandro Hawke: auto to W3C front page, nowhere else. I will ping the WG when it's on the W3C home page. ←
14:15:34 <AndyS> Axel: I can then send to semantic-web@w3c.org
Axel Polleres: I can then send to semantic-web@w3c.org ←
14:15:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION; Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out
Axel Polleres: ACTION; Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out ←
14:16:05 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out
ACTION: Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out ←
14:16:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-529 - Announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-529 - Announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20]. ←
14:16:35 <AndyS> Axel: documents
Axel Polleres: documents ←
14:16:35 <AndyS> ... pending publication
... pending publication ←
14:17:16 <AndyS> ... status?
... status? ←
14:16:23 <AndyS> Topic: Federated query
14:17:42 <AndyS> See action 514 -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/514
See ACTION-514 -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/514 ←
14:18:22 <AndyS> Carlos: Mostly complete, outstanding Q on IRIs in SERVICE : what to do on error.
Carlos Buil Aranda: Mostly complete, outstanding Q on IRIs in SERVICE : what to do on error. ←
14:18:44 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0221.html
Carlos Buil Aranda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0221.html ←
14:18:56 <AndyS> Axel: was going to look at this - not done yet - will do soon
Axel Polleres: was going to look at this - not done yet - will do soon ←
14:20:38 <AndyS> greg: Big issue - needs sorting before LC
Gregory Williams: Big issue - needs sorting before LC ←
14:20:53 <AndyS> Topic: Overview document
14:21:52 <AndyS> Axel: some work needed
Axel Polleres: some work needed ←
14:22:39 <AndyS> ... publish as FPWD
... publish as FPWD ←
14:22:49 <AndyS> ... with not all comments incorporated
... with not all comments incorporated ←
14:23:08 <AndyS> ... can't guanantee to do all in next week
... can't guanantee to do all in next week ←
14:23:13 <AndyS> ... this is not LC
... this is not LC ←
14:24:19 <AndyS> Topic: Protocol
14:24:27 <AndyS> Lee: Work in progress
Lee Feigenbaum: Work in progress ←
14:24:56 <AndyS> Axel: schedule? Can we do a joint publication with the other docs?
Axel Polleres: schedule? Can we do a joint publication with the other docs? ←
14:25:22 <AndyS> Lee: unsure about finding time to do the work ... next week would be "at risk"
Lee Feigenbaum: unsure about finding time to do the work ... next week would be "at risk" ←
14:26:08 <AndyS> Topic: Other docs, other issues
14:26:44 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:28:50 <AndyS> SteveH: no noted critical issues for query/aggregation
Steve Harris: no noted critical issues for query/aggregation ←
14:29:10 <AndyS> AndyS: Some issues in email -- need WG discussion and decisions
Andy Seaborne: Some issues in email -- need WG discussion and decisions ←
14:29:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail
ACTION: axel to check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail ←
14:29:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-530 - Check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-530 - Check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20]. ←
14:29:56 <AndyS> Axel: Will check update comments
Axel Polleres: Will check update comments ←
14:30:04 <bglimm> muted
Birte Glimm: muted ←
14:30:08 <AndyS> axel: Entailment?
Axel Polleres: Entailment? ←
14:30:09 <bglimm> ZAkim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: ZAkim, unmute me ←
14:30:09 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:30:18 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:30:18 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:30:24 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:30:24 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:30:58 <AndyS> Michael Schneider comments ... email sent to WG
Michael Schneider comments ... email sent to WG ←
14:31:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MS-4
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MS-4 ←
14:32:03 <AndyS> Birte: MS-4 -- MUST -> SHOULD change
Birte Glimm: MS-4 -- MUST -> SHOULD change ←
14:34:06 <AndyS> .. issue is cost of "must" detection and explaining to users
.. issue is cost of "must" detection and explaining to users ←
14:37:00 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:45:21 <AndyS> (discussion about D-entailment and datatype map)
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(discussion about D-entailment and datatype map) ←
14:46:51 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:46:51 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:46:56 <AndyS> Axel: Service description?
Axel Polleres: Service description? ←
14:47:10 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:47:10 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
14:47:18 <AndyS> kasei: a couple of outstanding comments - nothing critical
Gregory Williams: a couple of outstanding comments - nothing critical ←
14:47:55 <AndyS> chimezie: need to check for substantive changes - outstanding drafts
Chimezie Ogbuji: need to check for substantive changes - outstanding drafts ←
14:48:23 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:IM-1
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:IM-1 ←
14:49:02 <AndyS> Oustanding -- IM-1, DB-3, SJ-1
Oustanding -- IM-1, DB-3, SJ-1 ←
14:49:12 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1 ←
14:49:17 <AndyS> IM-1 has substantive change
IM-1 has substantive change ←
14:50:23 <AndyS> Multipart PUT and POST with the graph store protocol
Multipart PUT and POST with the graph store protocol ←
14:51:11 <AndyS> chimezie: will email to argue not substantive change
Chimezie Ogbuji: will email to argue not substantive change ←
14:51:57 <AndyS> Topic: Other matters
14:52:07 <AndyS> Axel: actions list
Axel Polleres: actions list ←
14:52:38 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-525
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-525 ←
14:52:38 <trackbot> ACTION-525 Fix references in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/ closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-525 Fix references in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/ closed ←
14:53:26 <kasei> 528 can be closed.
Gregory Williams: 528 can be closed. ←
14:54:06 <LeeF> yup, thanks :)
Lee Feigenbaum: yup, thanks :) ←
14:54:23 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-528
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-528 ←
14:54:23 <trackbot> ACTION-528 Create new "collective" manifests at the granularity of spec conformance (query, update, entailment, fed query, json results, ...) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-528 Create new "collective" manifests at the granularity of spec conformance (query, update, entailment, fed query, json results, ...) closed ←
14:54:26 <AndyS> kasei: will summarise the outcome of action 528
Gregory Williams: will summarise the outcome of ACTION-528 ←
14:55:43 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-416
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-416 ←
14:55:43 <trackbot> ACTION-416 Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-416 Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready closed ←
14:56:14 <AndyS> we need to formally close issues (next week?)
we need to formally close issues (next week?) ←
14:57:19 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-508
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-508 ←
14:57:19 <trackbot> ACTION-508 Work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-508 Work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results closed ←
14:58:16 <AndyS> (discussion re action 503)
(discussion re ACTION-503) ←
14:58:36 <AndyS> ... Results format XSLT
... Results format XSLT ←
14:58:57 <AndyS> sandro: /TR/ is immutable, other things can be changed
Sandro Hawke: /TR/ is immutable, other things can be changed ←
14:59:18 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:59:31 <AndyS> ** ADJOURNED **
** ADJOURNED ** ←
14:59:33 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
14:59:35 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
14:59:35 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> -Alex
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alex ←
14:59:40 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
14:59:50 <AxelPolleres> thansk andy for scribing!
Axel Polleres: thansk andy for scribing! ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:00:30 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:01:33 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Sandro ←
15:05:42 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:15:32 <Zakim> -AndyS
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Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:15:33 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:15:33 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:15:35 <Zakim> Attendees were kasei, Sandro, +34.56.97565.aaaa, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, Alex, SteveH, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, chimezie, LeeF, bglimm, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were kasei, Sandro, +34.56.97565.aaaa, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, Alex, SteveH, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, chimezie, LeeF, bglimm, pgearon ←
15:25:23 <kasei> POST /sparql/?default-graph-uri=http://another.example/calendar.rdf HTTP/1.1
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Gregory Williams: POST /sparql/?default-graph-uri=http://another.example/calendar.rdf HTTP/1.1 ←
15:25:33 <kasei> does the default graph uri in there need to be escaped?
Gregory Williams: does the default graph uri in there need to be escaped? ←
15:36:36 <AndyS> kasei, yes
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kasei, yes ←
15:36:55 <AndyS> minimum is escape the ":" IIRC
minimum is escape the ":" IIRC ←
15:37:08 <kasei> ok, thanks Andy
Gregory Williams: ok, thanks Andy ←
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