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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 May 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05
Seen
Daniel Garijo, David Corsar, Edoardo Pignotti, Eric Stephan, Graham Klyne, Helena Deus, Iker Huerga, James Myers, James Cheney, James Frew, Jeff Pan, Jim McCusker, Jorn Hees, Jun Zhao, Jörn Hees, Khalid Belhajjame, Lars G, Lena X, Luc Moreau, Olaf Hartig, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Paulo Pinheiro da Silva, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Stephan Zednik, Tim Lebo, Vinh Nguyen, Yogesh Simmhan, Yolanda Gil
Guests
Yolanda Gil, Jim McCusker, Olaf Hartig, Satya Sahoo, Yogesh Simmhan, James Frew, Stephan Zednik, Tim Lebo, Jorn Hees, Khalid Belhajjame, Lars G, Edoardo Pignotti, Lena X, Paolo Missier, Jeff Pan
Regrets
Helena Deus
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Luc Moreau, Paul Groth
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. last week's minutes link
  2. structure of task forces link
  3. example driven approach as a process link
Topics
  1. 1 Admin

    1. Minutes Approval

      Minutes of last week's meeting were approved

    2. Action Items

      Actions 1 and 2 closed

    3. Invited Experts

      Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C

    4. email discussions

      It's important to discuss issues by email during the week

    5. Scribe

      Please volunteer to scribe

  2. Provenance Task Forces

    The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.

  3. Model Task Force

    An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.

<sandro> Guest: Yolanda Gil
<sandro> Guest: Jim McCusker
<luc> Guest: Olaf Hartig
<luc> Guest: Satya Sahoo
<luc> Guest: Yogesh Simmhan
<luc> Guest: James Frew
<luc> Guest: Stephan Zednik
<luc> Guest: Tim (rpi-lebo) Lebo
<luc> Guest: Jorn Hees
<luc> Guest: Khalid Belhajjame
<luc> Guest: Lars G
<luc> Guest: Edoardo (abdn_uk) Pignotti
<luc> Guest: Lena X
<luc> Guest: Paolo Missier
<luc> Guest: Jeff Pan
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-irc

14:46:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:46:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be

14:46:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

14:46:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:46:34 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2011
14:47:49 <luc> Zakim, this will be  SW_PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be SW_PROV

14:47:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, luc

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, luc

14:48:04 <luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:48:04 <Zakim> ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

14:48:49 <luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05
14:49:20 <luc> Chair: pgroth
14:49:26 <pgroth> hmm, i can't get on the call

Paul Groth: hmm, i can't get on the call

14:49:33 <pgroth> is anyone else dialed in?

Paul Groth: is anyone else dialed in?

14:49:41 <luc> Scribe: luc

(Scribe set to Luc Moreau)

14:49:45 <dgarijo> hi

Daniel Garijo: hi

14:49:47 <dgarijo> not yet

Daniel Garijo: not yet

14:50:11 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:50:13 <luc> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

14:50:19 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

14:50:39 <jorn> zakim, +??P9 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, +??P9 is me

14:50:39 <Zakim> sorry, jorn, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jorn, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

14:50:47 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:50:53 <jorn> zakim, ??P9 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??P9 is me

14:50:53 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

14:51:01 <pgroth> zakim, ??P0 is me

Paul Groth: zakim, ??P0 is me

14:51:01 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:53:26 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa

14:54:02 <luc> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

14:54:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see jorn, pgroth, +44.238.059.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jorn, pgroth, +44.238.059.aaaa

14:54:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

14:54:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:54:45 <luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

14:54:45 <Zakim> +luc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +luc; got it

14:55:01 <dgarijo> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Daniel Garijo: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:55:01 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

14:55:15 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

14:55:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:56:04 <pgroth> Zakim, who is loud?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is loud?

14:56:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, pgroth.

14:56:34 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

14:56:36 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:56:39 <luc> zakim, who is making noise?

zakim, who is making noise?

14:56:49 <Zakim> luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (50%), [IPcaller] (87%), ??P17 (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (50%), [IPcaller] (87%), ??P17 (24%)

14:57:13 <luc> zakim, agenda?

zakim, agenda?

14:57:13 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda

Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda

14:57:42 <iker> zakim, who's here?

Iker Huerga: zakim, who's here?

14:57:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17

14:57:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

14:57:49 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.915.603.aabb

14:57:55 <luc> Regrets: Helena Deus
14:58:30 <GK> I think [IPCaller] may be me ... Graham Klyne

Graham Klyne: I think [IPCaller] may be me ... Graham Klyne

14:58:45 <paulo> q?

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q?

14:58:57 <paolo_> zakim, who is on the phone?

Paolo Missier: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:58:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb

14:59:30 <dgarijo> zakim, [IPcaller] is GK

Daniel Garijo: zakim, [IPcaller] is GK

14:59:30 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

14:59:39 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:59:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb

15:00:19 <paolo> zakim, ??P18 is me

Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:00:20 <pgroth> zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is paulo

Paul Groth: zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is paulo

15:00:20 <Zakim> +paolo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo; got it

15:00:20 <Zakim> +paulo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +paulo; got it

15:00:32 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:36 <Zakim> +SatyaSahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +SatyaSahoo

15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo

15:00:59 <paulo> zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is me

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is me

15:01:02 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.302.093.aacc

15:01:08 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

15:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, paulo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.915.603.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, paulo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.915.603.aabb'

15:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.509.375.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.375.aadd

15:01:18 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan

15:01:20 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:01:22 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:01:24 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

15:01:26 <Zakim> + +1.937.708.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.708.aaee

15:01:33 <olaf> zakim, aacc is me

Olaf Hartig: zakim, aacc is me

15:01:33 <Zakim> +olaf; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olaf; got it

15:01:41 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, ??P33, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, ??P33, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee

15:01:45 <Zakim> -??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P33

15:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aaff

15:02:00 <jcheney> Zakim, who is here

James Cheney: Zakim, who is here

15:02:00 <Zakim> jcheney, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: jcheney, you need to end that query with '?'

15:02:03 <jcheney> Zakim, who is here?

James Cheney: Zakim, who is here?

15:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff

15:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot

15:02:08 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aagg

15:02:13 <Zakim> -??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11

15:02:22 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

15:02:37 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me

15:02:37 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:02:47 <pgroth> Zakim, who is here?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is here?

15:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn

15:02:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro,

15:02:54 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

15:02:57 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

15:03:09 <jcheney> zakim, ??P33 is me

James Cheney: zakim, ??P33 is me

15:03:09 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

15:03:24 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me

Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me

15:03:24 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it

15:03:39 <pgroth> Zakim, who is here?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is here?

15:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney

15:03:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot

15:03:51 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aahh

15:04:18 <VinhNguyen> zakim, +1.937.708.aaee is me

Vinh Nguyen: zakim, +1.937.708.aaee is me

15:04:18 <Zakim> +VinhNguyen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +VinhNguyen; got it

15:04:31 <luc> luc: use irc channel http://irc.w3.org/?channels=prov

Luc Moreau: use irc channel http://irc.w3.org/?channels=prov

15:04:39 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney,

15:04:43 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aahh

15:05:00 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05

15:05:16 <luc> TOPIC: 1 Admin

1. 1 Admin

15:05:36 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aaii

15:06:01 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28

15:06:02 <luc> SubTopic: Minutes Approval

1.1. Minutes Approval

Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved

15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
15:06:17 <Zakim> - +1.646.389.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.389.aagg

15:06:37 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aajj

15:06:41 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open

15:06:48 <luc> ACCEPTED: last week's minutes

RESOLVED: last week's minutes

15:06:57 <luc> SubTopic: Action Items

1.2. Action Items

Summary: Actions 1 and 2 closed

15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Actions 1 and 2 closed
15:07:18 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page#Background

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page#Background

15:08:13 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aakk

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aakk

15:08:35 <Zakim> +[ISI]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI]

15:08:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:09:03 <luc> Actions ACTION-1 and ACTION-2 t be closed

Actions ACTION-1 and ACTION-2 t be closed

15:09:04 <YolandaGil> Zakim, +[ISI] is really me

Yolanda Gil: Zakim, +[ISI] is really me

15:09:04 <Zakim> sorry, YolandaGil, I do not recognize a party named '+[ISI]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, YolandaGil, I do not recognize a party named '+[ISI]'

15:09:15 <YolandaGil> Zakim, [ISI] is really me

Yolanda Gil: Zakim, [ISI] is really me

15:09:15 <Zakim> +YolandaGil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +YolandaGil; got it

15:09:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:09:18 <luc> SubTopic: Invited Experts

1.3. Invited Experts

Summary: Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C

15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C
15:09:29 <luc> Sandro: still in progress

Sandro Hawke: still in progress

15:09:32 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is jun

Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is jun

15:09:32 <Zakim> +jun; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it

15:09:45 <paolo> I am in a similar situation: not officially joined yet

Paolo Missier: I am in a similar situation: not officially joined yet

15:10:01 <luc> pgroth:  mailing list will be updated once decisions made

Paul Groth: mailing list will be updated once decisions made

15:10:15 <luc> SubTopic: email discussions

1.4. email discussions

Summary: It's important to discuss issues by email during the week

15:06:02 <luc> Summary: It's important to discuss issues by email during the week
15:10:34 <luc> pgroth: we cannot do all our discussions in a single weekly call

Paul Groth: we cannot do all our discussions in a single weekly call

15:10:59 <luc> ... bring up all your comments on the mailing list (once you have been signed up for it!)

... bring up all your comments on the mailing list (once you have been signed up for it!)

15:11:15 <luc> q?

q?

15:11:28 <dgarijo> how do you "raise" an issue?

Daniel Garijo: how do you "raise" an issue?

15:12:56 <GK> Isn't this what the tracker is for?

Graham Klyne: Isn't this what the tracker is for?

15:13:05 <luc> pgroth: discuss it by email, and formal process will follow, in telcon or through tracker

Paul Groth: discuss it by email, and formal process will follow, in telcon or through tracker

15:13:42 <luc> sandro: there is flexibility. In tracker: it's the 'create' option. Chairs can upgrade by opening.

Sandro Hawke: there is flexibility. In tracker: it's the 'create' option. Chairs can upgrade by opening.

15:14:03 <dgarijo> ok thx

Daniel Garijo: ok thx

15:14:08 <jcheney> Does creating an issue automatically generate an email?

James Cheney: Does creating an issue automatically generate an email?

15:14:16 <luc> pgroth: we can do it by email or by the tracker

Paul Groth: we can do it by email or by the tracker

15:14:36 <jcheney> OK

James Cheney: OK

15:14:44 <luc> sandro: yes it does, it makes a thread automatically. Email posted on initial creation.

Sandro Hawke: yes it does, it makes a thread automatically. Email posted on initial creation.

15:15:05 <luc> SubTopic: Scribe

1.5. Scribe

Summary: Please volunteer to scribe

15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Please volunteer to scribe
15:15:24 <luc> pgroth: we need people to volunteer

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Paul Groth: we need people to volunteer

15:16:06 <luc> pgroth: let us know or update page http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes

Paul Groth: let us know or update page http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes

15:16:12 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceTaskForces

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceTaskForces

15:16:17 <luc> Topic: Provenance Task Forces

2. Provenance Task Forces

Summary: The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.

<luc> Summary: The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.
15:17:22 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

15:17:34 <luc> pgroth: we want to get your feedback: are TF descriptions suitable?

Paul Groth: we want to get your feedback: are TF descriptions suitable?

15:17:50 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q

15:17:52 <Zakim> +??P30

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15:18:03 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me

15:18:03 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

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15:18:10 <luc> luc: this is an initial description, it will evolve over time probably

Luc Moreau: this is an initial description, it will evolve over time probably

15:18:14 <paolo> zakim, who is on the phone?

Paolo Missier: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:18:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aahh,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aahh,

15:18:18 <Zakim> ... +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, YolandaGil, [IPcaller], jun, jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, YolandaGil, [IPcaller], jun, jorn

15:18:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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15:18:33 <luc> jcheney: would be good to know who joins which TF?

James Cheney: would be good to know who joins which TF?

15:18:59 <LarsG> Zakim, please mute me

Lars G: Zakim, please mute me

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15:19:07 <luc> jcheney: minor issues to discuss, but shouldn't delay approval

James Cheney: minor issues to discuss, but shouldn't delay approval

15:19:12 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Talk:ProvenanceTaskForces

James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Talk:ProvenanceTaskForces

15:19:55 <luc> jcheney: formal model vs formal semantics? what's the dividing line?

James Cheney: formal model vs formal semantics? what's the dividing line?

15:21:00 <GK> For the RDF work, the model and formal semantics were developed in parallel

Graham Klyne: For the RDF work, the model and formal semantics were developed in parallel

15:21:12 <luc> jcheney: formal or informal first?

James Cheney: formal or informal first?

15:21:43 <luc> jcheney: i wanted to bring this up for the record

James Cheney: i wanted to bring this up for the record

15:21:53 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the structure of task forces

PROPOSED: to accept the structure of task forces

15:22:12 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:22:14 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:22:15 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:22:16 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:22:17 <iker> +1

Iker Huerga: +1

15:22:17 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:22:17 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:22:18 <JamesMyers> +1

James Myers: +1

15:22:18 <paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:22:18 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:22:19 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:22:21 <abdn_uk> +1

Edoardo Pignotti: +1

15:22:22 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

15:22:23 <frew> +1

James Frew: +1

15:22:25 <olaf> +1

Olaf Hartig: +1

15:22:26 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:22:28 <jcheney> -q

James Cheney: -q

15:22:29 <Yogesh> +1

Yogesh Simmhan: +1

15:22:29 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:22:30 <luc> +1

+1

15:22:56 <VinhNguyen> +1

Vinh Nguyen: +1

15:22:59 <luc> paulo: I don't fully understand dependencies

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: I don't fully understand dependencies

15:23:20 <luc> ... some things can be done in parallel, but other tasks difficult without model

... some things can be done in parallel, but other tasks difficult without model

15:23:27 <paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

15:24:26 <luc> paolo: implementation TF: is  toolkit in scope of charter?

Paolo Missier: implementation TF: is toolkit in scope of charter?

15:24:27 <Zakim> +??P41

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15:24:39 <Zakim> -??P6

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15:24:49 <luc> pgroth: it's for people in this TF to discuss

Paul Groth: it's for people in this TF to discuss

<luc>Scribe: pgroth

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15:25:18 <luc> ... in WG, we encourage people to implement the standard, we don't do it ourselves

Luc Moreau: ... in WG, we encourage people to implement the standard, we don't do it ourselves

15:25:50 <pgroth> luc: not the goal of the working group to directly implement the standard

Luc Moreau: not the goal of the working group to directly implement the standard

15:25:58 <satya> I think implementations/tools is also a requirement for the W3C recommendation process

Satya Sahoo: I think implementations/tools is also a requirement for the W3C recommendation process

15:26:16 <Zakim> +??P6

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15:26:26 <pgroth> luc: we want encourage the implementation of the standards

Luc Moreau: we want encourage the implementation of the standards

15:26:50 <pgroth> luc: initial tasks for each task force can be done in parallel

Luc Moreau: initial tasks for each task force can be done in parallel

15:26:53 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, +??P6 is really me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, +??P6 is really me

15:26:53 <Zakim> sorry, khalidbelhajjame, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'

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15:27:07 <pgroth> luc: we need to identify and manage dependencies betweens task forces

Luc Moreau: we need to identify and manage dependencies betweens task forces

15:27:43 <Zakim> + +1.860.995.aall

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15:27:45 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P6 is really me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P6 is really me

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<luc>Scribe: luc

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15:28:00 <luc> paulo: this answers my question

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: this answers my question

15:28:13 <luc> ACCEPTED: structure of task forces

RESOLVED: structure of task forces

15:28:28 <luc> Topic: Model Task Force

3. Model Task Force

Summary: An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.

<luc>Summary: An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.
15:28:53 <luc> pgroth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force

Paul Groth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force

15:28:25 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

15:28:59 <dgarijo> The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

Daniel Garijo: The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

15:29:27 <luc> pgroth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion

Paul Groth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion

15:29:40 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:29:54 <paolo> q-

Paolo Missier: q-

15:30:07 <paolo> sorry that was dangling from earlier

Paolo Missier: sorry that was dangling from earlier

15:31:21 <luc> paulo: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator)

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator)

15:31:46 <luc> paulo: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group

15:32:32 <dgarijo> isn't that the actual starting point?

Daniel Garijo: isn't that the actual starting point?

15:33:07 <Zakim> -jorn

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15:33:26 <luc> sound quality is very poor for me

sound quality is very poor for me

15:33:41 <Zakim> +??P30

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15:33:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

15:33:49 <luc> paulo: we should start from concepts of the final report

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should start from concepts of the final report

15:33:53 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me

15:33:53 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:34:10 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q

15:34:18 <luc> pgroth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter

Paul Groth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter

15:34:36 <luc> pgroth: i think we propose what you are suggesting

Paul Groth: i think we propose what you are suggesting

15:35:15 <luc> q- paulo

q- paulo

15:35:56 <luc> jcheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example

James Cheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example

15:36:03 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:36:08 <luc> q+

q+

15:37:03 <GK> +1 to using test cases to isolate issues

Graham Klyne: +1 to using test cases to isolate issues

15:37:04 <luc> jcheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve

James Cheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve

15:37:07 <jcheney> q-

James Cheney: q-

15:37:09 <luc> q?

q?

<luc> Scribe: pgroth

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15:37:35 <pgroth> luc: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did

Luc Moreau: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did

15:37:49 <pgroth> luc: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group

Luc Moreau: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group

15:38:05 <pgroth> luc: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter

Luc Moreau: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter

15:38:28 <pgroth> luc: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group

Luc Moreau: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group

<luc> Scribe: luc

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15:38:37 <luc> q-

q-

15:38:38 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:39:34 <luc> paulo: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping

15:40:01 <luc> paulo: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final

15:40:36 <luc> ... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder

... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder

15:41:16 <luc> pgroth: that's the approach

Paul Groth: that's the approach

15:41:41 <luc> I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts

I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts

15:42:28 <luc> PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example

PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example

15:42:46 <jcheney> Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML.

James Cheney: Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML.

15:43:30 <dgarijo> but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others?

Daniel Garijo: but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others?

15:43:38 <luc> pgroth: all discussions are public and in the open

Paul Groth: all discussions are public and in the open

15:44:00 <luc> ... any other comment about this proposal?

... any other comment about this proposal?

15:44:23 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:44:24 <jcheney> certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more!

James Cheney: certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more!

15:44:25 <DavidC> +1

David Corsar: +1

15:44:26 <frew> pls restate proposal concisely

James Frew: pls restate proposal concisely

15:44:57 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:45:14 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

15:45:50 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

15:46:28 <luc> paulo: we have languages, but we don't have semantics

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we have languages, but we don't have semantics

15:46:53 <paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

15:47:04 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:47:12 <luc> pgroth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition

Paul Groth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition

15:47:15 <JamesMyers> +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work

James Myers: +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work

15:47:59 <dgarijo> q-

Daniel Garijo: q-

15:48:07 <luc> pgroth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example

Paul Groth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example

15:48:40 <luc> paolo: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor

Paolo Missier: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor

15:48:47 <YolandaGil> q+

Yolanda Gil: q+

15:48:50 <paolo> q-

Paolo Missier: q-

15:48:54 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

15:49:02 <pgroth> ack paulo

Paul Groth: ack paulo

15:49:13 <luc> yolanda: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator

Yolanda Gil: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator

15:49:32 <luc> ... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios

... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios

15:49:32 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

15:49:50 <jorn> zakim, ??P3 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??P3 is me

15:49:50 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:49:59 <luc> ... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others

... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others

15:50:25 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:50:33 <pgroth> ack YolandaGil

Paul Groth: ack YolandaGil

15:50:52 <luc> pgroth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific?

Paul Groth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific?

15:51:28 <luc> satya: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required

Satya Sahoo: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required

15:51:32 <satya> q-

Satya Sahoo: q-

15:52:15 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

15:52:37 <luc> pgroth: remove the opm specific graph

Paul Groth: remove the opm specific graph

15:52:59 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:53:09 <luc> jcheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario

James Cheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario

15:53:27 <pgroth> ack jcheney

Paul Groth: ack jcheney

15:53:29 <jcheney> q-

James Cheney: q-

15:53:30 <pgroth> ack paulo

Paul Groth: ack paulo

15:53:34 <luc> ... would be good for comparison

... would be good for comparison

15:53:39 <frew> +1 what jcheney said

James Frew: +1 what jcheney said

15:54:08 <luc> paulo: issues are defined in opm terms

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: issues are defined in opm terms

15:54:34 <luc> paulo: name of sections are OPM terms

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: name of sections are OPM terms

15:54:57 <luc> paulo: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english

15:55:17 <luc> q+

q+

15:56:08 <luc> paulo: what is the true scenario in this example?

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: what is the true scenario in this example?

15:56:54 <luc> paulo: we should not have pre-defined views of the world

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should not have pre-defined views of the world

15:57:27 <luc> paulo: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings

15:57:32 <paolo> (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!)

Paolo Missier: (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!)

15:57:37 <satya> I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example?

Satya Sahoo: I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example?

<luc>Scribe: luc
15:57:51 <pgroth> luc: we should go back to the agenda

Luc Moreau: we should go back to the agenda [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:57:59 <pgroth> luc: we are mixing two different discussions

Luc Moreau: we are mixing two different discussions [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:58:04 <pgroth> luc: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is

Luc Moreau: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:58:09 <pgroth> ... example driven

Paul Groth: ... example driven

15:58:24 <pgroth> luc: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter

Luc Moreau: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:58:49 <pgroth> luc: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process

Luc Moreau: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:59:05 <pgroth> luc: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter,

Luc Moreau: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter, [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:59:12 <pgroth> ... these are not opm terms

Paul Groth: ... these are not opm terms

<luc>Scribe: pgroth

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<luc>pgroth: do we have support for the proposed process

Paul Groth: do we have support for the proposed process [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ]

15:59:28 <satya> +1 for example driven process

Satya Sahoo: +1 for example driven process

15:59:41 <GK> +1 for example driver

Graham Klyne: +1 for example driver

15:59:51 <JamesMyers> +1 for process

James Myers: +1 for process

15:59:52 <ericstephan_> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:59:53 <dgarijo> +1 the example

Daniel Garijo: +1 the example

16:00:08 <paulo> +1 to be example-driven

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 to be example-driven

16:00:13 <Zakim> -GK

Zakim IRC Bot: -GK

16:00:14 <DavidC> +1  for example-driven approach

David Corsar: +1 for example-driven approach

16:00:14 <frew> +1 EDA

James Frew: +1 EDA

16:00:19 <jcheney> +1 for example-driven

James Cheney: +1 for example-driven

16:00:20 <Yogesh> +1

Yogesh Simmhan: +1

16:00:21 <olaf> +1

Olaf Hartig: +1

16:00:23 <jorn> +1 to example driven approache

Jörn Hees: +1 to example driven approache

16:00:23 <abdn_uk> +1 for example driven approach

Edoardo Pignotti: +1 for example driven approach

16:00:26 <LarsG> +1

Lars G: +1

16:00:26 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for example driven

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for example driven

16:00:27 <Yogesh> +1 EDA

Yogesh Simmhan: +1 EDA

16:00:38 <zednik> +1 for EDA

Stephan Zednik: +1 for EDA

16:00:38 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

16:00:42 <jcheney> (can the minutes make the proposal clear?)

James Cheney: (can the minutes make the proposal clear?)

16:01:03 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q

<luc> luc: clarification requested here:

Luc Moreau: clarification requested here: [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ]

<luc> Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal

Luc Moreau: Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal

<luc> Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

Luc Moreau: Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

<luc> 1. We work with an initial scenario

Luc Moreau: 1. We work with an initial scenario

<luc> 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario

Luc Moreau: 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario

<luc> 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter

Luc Moreau: 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter

<luc> 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model

Luc Moreau: 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model

16:01:17 <pgroth> ack luc

ack luc

16:01:20 <pgroth> ack jcheney

ack jcheney

16:01:44 <luc> ACCEPTED: example driven approach as a process

RESOLVED: example driven approach as a process

16:01:55 <jcheney> OK, good

James Cheney: OK, good

16:02:13 <Zakim> -YolandaGil

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16:02:17 <luc> q-

Luc Moreau: q-

16:02:25 <GK> q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin?

Graham Klyne: q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin?

16:02:33 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh

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16:02:35 <Zakim> -SatyaSahoo

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16:02:36 <Zakim> -Yogesh

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16:02:36 <Zakim> -olaf

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16:02:36 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

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16:02:37 <luc> pgroth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example

Paul Groth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ]

16:02:38 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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16:02:38 <Zakim> - +1.509.375.aadd

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16:02:39 <Zakim> -??P41

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16:02:42 <Zakim> -jun

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16:02:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aaii

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16:02:48 <Zakim> -VinhNguyen

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16:02:50 <Zakim> -sandro

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16:02:52 <Zakim> -jcheney

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16:02:59 <Zakim> -paolo

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16:03:01 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aakk

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aakk

16:03:04 <Zakim> - +1.646.389.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.389.aajj

16:03:26 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

16:03:29 <Zakim> -LarsG

Zakim IRC Bot: -LarsG

16:03:35 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Jeff_Pan

16:03:37 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

16:03:39 <Zakim> -luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -luc

16:03:42 <GK> @sandro still here in IRC?

Graham Klyne: @sandro still here in IRC?

16:03:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

16:03:59 <Zakim> - +1.860.995.aall

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.860.995.aall

16:04:17 <Zakim> -??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P17

16:04:54 <luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public

16:05:06 <Zakim> -paulo

Zakim IRC Bot: -paulo

16:05:08 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

16:05:09 <Zakim> Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney,

16:05:13 <Zakim> ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame

16:05:16 <luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc

16:05:31 <luc> trackbot, end telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon

16:05:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:05:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:05:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:05:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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