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14:27:36 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-irc
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14:27:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:27:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
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14:27:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
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14:27:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:27:41 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
14:27:44 <olyerickson> I think I was heard/...
John Erickson: I think I was heard/... ←
14:28:00 <bhyland> PROPOSED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard. If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.
PROPOSED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard. If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option. ←
14:28:01 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:28:07 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
Michael Pendleton: +1 ←
14:28:08 <PhilA2> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:28:09 <olyerickson> The notes are accurate
John Erickson: The notes are accurate ←
14:28:09 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:28:14 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:28:15 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
14:28:25 <bhyland> RESOLVED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard. If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.
RESOLVED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard. If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option. ←
14:28:58 <bhyland> Accepted last meeting's minutes, http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-30
Bernadette Hyland: Accepted last meeting's minutes, http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-30 ←
14:29:02 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT
14:29:12 <olyerickson> I already have ;)
John Erickson: I already have ;) ←
14:29:12 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Haven't yet heard from Fadi re: completion of the remaining work (estimated to be 20% effort) in relation to follow up responses.
John Erickson: Haven't yet heard from Fadi re: completion of the remaining work (estimated to be 20% effort) in relation to follow up responses. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:29:12 <bhyland> bhyland @ 10:26
Bernadette Hyland: bhyland @ 10:26 ←
14:29:12 <bhyland>
14:29:12 <bhyland> … expected to be done 2 weeks ago. That is the only barrier to moving on two 2nd LC of DCAT … apologies.
Bernadette Hyland: … expected to be done 2 weeks ago. That is the only barrier to moving on two 2nd LC of DCAT … apologies. ←
14:29:38 <bhyland> ACTION: Olyerickson to ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT.
ACTION: Olyerickson to ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. ←
14:29:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2013-06-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-144 - Ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2013-06-27]. ←
14:30:49 <olyerickson> AFAIK there were no "substantive" issues
John Erickson: AFAIK there were no "substantive" issues ←
14:30:51 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Does not expect anything to be any blockers on DCAT going to 2nd LC. Anticipate there will be responses but nothing substantial is expected.
John Erickson: Does not expect anything to be any blockers on DCAT going to 2nd LC. Anticipate there will be responses but nothing substantial is expected. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:31:03 <olyerickson> Not from me!
John Erickson: Not from me! ←
14:31:10 <bhyland> TOPIC: LD Glossary
14:31:12 <bhyland> 1. LD Glossary and review of 5 Star Linked Data and 5 Star Linked Open Data definitions, please seehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
Bernadette Hyland: 1. LD Glossary and review of 5 Star Linked Data and 5 Star Linked Open Data definitions, please seehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html ←
14:33:07 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
14:34:04 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland: background: people in the field are talking about 5 star linked data and 5 star linked open data (with open licensing).
Bernadette Hyland: background: people in the field are talking about 5 star linked data and 5 star linked open data (with open licensing). ←
14:35:14 <HadleyBeeman> … In May, we talked about having those two separate definitions.
… In May, we talked about having those two separate definitions. ←
14:35:42 <HadleyBeeman> … I've realised we've been confusing linked *open* data and linked data (on the public Web, but not openly licensed)
… I've realised we've been confusing linked *open* data and linked data (on the public Web, but not openly licensed) ←
14:35:56 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:36:01 <HadleyBeeman> … The second set isn't 5 star open data.
… The second set isn't 5 star open data. ←
14:36:48 <HadleyBeeman> Sandro: It's fine to have both these entries. Readers may be confused with these as they are. i suggest: under 5-star linked open data, explain that a variant of this is...
Sandro Hawke: It's fine to have both these entries. Readers may be confused with these as they are. i suggest: under 5-star linked open data, explain that a variant of this is... ←
14:37:44 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:37:52 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:37:52 <bhyland> ack sandro
Bernadette Hyland: ack sandro ←
14:37:53 <HadleyBeeman> ack sandro
ack sandro ←
14:38:40 <bhyland> Sandro: Could live with either one but carve out the definition in paragraph form to show the differences.
Sandro Hawke: Could live with either one but carve out the definition in paragraph form to show the differences. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:39:04 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: the upcoming Data Best Practices working group will work on this. This is helping, but will be examined in detail probably next year
Phil Archer: the upcoming Data Best Practices working group will work on this. This is helping, but will be examined in detail probably next year ←
14:39:14 <bhyland> PhilA: It is healthy to talk about it now but we don't need to solve it today because the future BP group will handle it
Phil Archer: It is healthy to talk about it now but we don't need to solve it today because the future BP group will handle it [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:39:27 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:39:28 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
Phil Archer: zakim, mute me ←
14:39:28 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should now be muted ←
14:39:29 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: bhyland
(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)
14:39:29 <bhyland> q+
q+ ←
14:39:35 <HadleyBeeman> ack olyerickson
Hadley Beeman: ack olyerickson ←
14:41:47 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Would prefer to have 5 Star Linked Open Data definition (#2) remain and then reference use of LD principles in the enterprise as 5 Star Linked Data.
John Erickson: Would prefer to have 5 Star Linked Open Data definition (#2) remain and then reference use of LD principles in the enterprise as 5 Star Linked Data. ←
14:41:50 <BenediktKaempgen> q+
Benedikt Kaempgen: q+ ←
14:42:45 <atemezin> +1 to Olyerickson point regarding this topic
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to Olyerickson point regarding this topic ←
14:43:43 <PhilA> Bernadette is right - we need the glossary, people are asking for it
Phil Archer: Bernadette is right - we need the glossary, people are asking for it ←
14:44:24 <PhilA> zakim, unmute me
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:44:24 <Zakim> Phila should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should no longer be muted ←
14:44:31 <bhyland> q?
q? ←
14:44:35 <bhyland> ack bhyland
ack bhyland ←
14:46:04 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:46:10 <bhyland> Phil: Prefers to keep the 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and then specify that if you're publishing in a closed world, here is what you remove.
Phil Archer: Prefers to keep the 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and then specify that if you're publishing in a closed world, here is what you remove. ←
14:46:20 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to philA
Hadley Beeman: +1 to philA ←
14:46:22 <HadleyBeeman> -q
Hadley Beeman: -q ←
14:46:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to PhilA stick as closely to what is already published
Dave Reynolds: +1 to PhilA stick as closely to what is already published ←
14:46:30 <olyerickson> +1 to stopping this thread ;)
John Erickson: +1 to stopping this thread ;) ←
14:46:44 <deirdrelee_> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:46:57 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
Phil Archer: zakim, mute me ←
14:46:57 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should now be muted ←
14:46:58 <bhyland> Propose: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.
Scribe problem: the name 'Propose' does not match any of the 72 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Dickson Lukose Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Eric Stephan Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Marios Meimaris Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naomi Yoshizawa Phil Archer Pierre Andrews Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Propose: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world. ←
14:47:10 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
Benedikt Kaempgen: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html ←
14:48:16 <bhyland> +1
+1 ←
14:48:33 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:48:57 <olyerickson> I would add: publishing with SOME explicit expression of rights/terms, even if not "open," is strongly recommended.
John Erickson: I would add: publishing with SOME explicit expression of rights/terms, even if not "open," is strongly recommended. ←
14:49:04 <PhilA> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:49:13 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
14:49:17 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:49:25 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
14:49:28 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
Michael Pendleton: +1 ←
14:49:33 <deirdrelee_> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:49:41 <BenediktKaempgen> q-
Benedikt Kaempgen: q- ←
14:49:48 <bhyland> RESOLVED: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.
RESOLVED: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world. ←
14:49:55 <bhyland> q?
q? ←
14:50:04 <deirdrelee_> http://5stardata.info/
Deirdre Lee: http://5stardata.info/ ←
14:50:59 <olyerickson> To reinforce: it's not about open vs no license, but open license vs some other terms vs no explicit terms
John Erickson: To reinforce: it's not about open vs no license, but open license vs some other terms vs no explicit terms ←
14:51:37 <HadleyBeeman> Topic: Data Cube UCR
14:51:55 <BenediktKaempgen> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube-ucr/index.html
Benedikt Kaempgen: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube-ucr/index.html ←
14:52:13 <bhyland> yes
yes ←
14:52:14 <PhilA> I admit that I haven't responded to BenediktKaempgen's mail. I apologise, but I have confidence that the issues have been addressed
Phil Archer: I admit that I haven't responded to BenediktKaempgen's mail. I apologise, but I have confidence that the issues have been addressed ←
14:52:52 <DaveReynolds> haven't had a chance to re-read, sorry
Dave Reynolds: haven't had a chance to re-read, sorry ←
14:52:55 <bhyland> Benedikt: PhilA and DaveReynolds were the reviewers & gave comments. Benedikt has responded.
Benedikt Kaempgen: PhilA and DaveReynolds were the reviewers & gave comments. Benedikt has responded. ←
14:53:38 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
14:54:11 <james> loop is closed for me!
James McKinney: loop is closed for me! ←
14:54:50 <bhyland> ACTION: Benedikt to continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc.
ACTION: Benedikt to continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. ←
14:54:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. [on Benedikt Kaempgen - due 2013-06-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-145 - Continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. [on Benedikt Kaempgen - due 2013-06-27]. ←
14:56:08 <bhyland> Hadley: Please take request for Data Cube UCR as WG Note to email with chairs.
Hadley Beeman: Please take request for Data Cube UCR as WG Note to email with chairs. ←
14:56:14 <bhyland> … If Benedikt can get reviewers to complete review, we anticipate WG Note publication can be completed during the anticipated extension phase.
… If Benedikt can get reviewers to complete review, we anticipate WG Note publication can be completed during the anticipated extension phase. ←
14:56:18 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT UCR
14:57:22 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Understood this to be more work than the GLD WG could complete given our resources at this time. We don't expect it to become a WG Note at this time….
John Erickson: Understood this to be more work than the GLD WG could complete given our resources at this time. We don't expect it to become a WG Note at this time…. ←
14:57:34 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:57:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, Phila (muted), BenediktKaempgen, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller], martinA (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, Phila (muted), BenediktKaempgen, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller], martinA (muted) ←
14:57:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, RRSAgent, deirdrelee_, HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, james, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PhilA2, RRSAgent, deirdrelee_, HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, james, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds, ←
14:57:38 <Zakim> ... olyerickson, TallTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... olyerickson, TallTed, trackbot, sandro ←
14:59:20 <bhyland> Olyerickson: We expect for DCAT UCR to be remain artifact of this WG but have no official standing. It preceded the work of this WG.
John Erickson: We expect for DCAT UCR to be remain artifact of this WG but have no official standing. It preceded the work of this WG. ←
14:59:54 <DaveReynolds> Agreed, don't make it a note, leave it on the wiki, no more.
Dave Reynolds: Agreed, don't make it a note, leave it on the wiki, no more. ←
14:59:59 <bhyland> +1
+1 ←
15:00:18 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-23
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-23 ←
15:00:52 <Zakim> -james
Zakim IRC Bot: -james ←
15:02:00 <olyerickson> I gotta go
John Erickson: I gotta go ←
15:02:09 <olyerickson> UCR
John Erickson: UCR ←
15:02:13 <olyerickson> okay
John Erickson: okay ←
15:02:15 <HadleyBeeman> PROPOSED: to reorient the DCAT UCR to be a "helpful note" including some of the use cases and examples. On the wiki.
PROPOSED: to reorient the DCAT UCR to be a "helpful note" including some of the use cases and examples. On the wiki. ←
15:02:16 <olyerickson> +!0
John Erickson: +!0 ←
15:02:20 <olyerickson> +1
John Erickson: +1 ←
15:02:23 <bhyland> +1
+1 ←
15:02:30 <sandro> +1 just to save time
Sandro Hawke: +1 just to save time ←
15:02:32 <PhilA2> Sounds right to me given time and resources
Phil Archer: Sounds right to me given time and resources ←
15:02:34 <olyerickson> Gotta go go another meeting
John Erickson: Gotta go go another meeting ←
15:02:34 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
15:02:35 <DaveReynolds> -0 what's a "helpful note"?
Dave Reynolds: -0 what's a "helpful note"? ←
15:02:44 <sandro> a wiki page.
Sandro Hawke: a wiki page. ←
15:02:46 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←
15:02:57 <bhyland> Resolved: DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing.
RESOLVED: DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing. ←
15:03:00 <DaveReynolds> Suggest, gain, leave it on the WIki . Not a "Note"
Dave Reynolds: Suggest, gain, leave it on the WIki . Not a "Note" ←
15:03:11 <bhyland> +1
+1 ←
15:03:47 <PhilA2> thanks
Phil Archer: thanks ←
15:03:49 <DaveReynolds> bye all
Dave Reynolds: bye all ←
15:03:49 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
15:03:52 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:03:52 <Zakim> -bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton ←
15:03:54 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
15:03:54 <Zakim> -Phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -Phila ←
15:03:56 <BenediktKaempgen> bye
Benedikt Kaempgen: bye ←
15:04:01 <bhyland> ▪ RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
▪ RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
15:04:02 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen ←
15:04:02 <atemezin> bye
Ghislain Atemezing: bye ←
15:04:09 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
15:04:20 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
15:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland ←
15:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, martinA, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
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15:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.738.aaaa, Phila, olyerickson, Phila.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland, deirdrelee, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, +1.440.389.aabb,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.703.738.aaaa, Phila, olyerickson, Phila.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland, deirdrelee, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, +1.440.389.aabb, ←
15:35:02 <Zakim> ... HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller] ←
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