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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 June 2013

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Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Dave Reynolds, Deirdre Lee, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, James McKinney, John Erickson, Michael Pendleton, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke
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  1. We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option. link
  2. Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world. link
  3. DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing. link
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14:27:36 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-irc

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14:27:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:27:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:27:41 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
14:27:44 <olyerickson> I think I was heard/...

John Erickson: I think I was heard/...

14:28:00 <bhyland> PROPOSED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.

PROPOSED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.

14:28:01 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

14:28:07 <Mike_Pendleton> +1

Michael Pendleton: +1

14:28:08 <PhilA2> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:28:09 <olyerickson> The notes are accurate

John Erickson: The notes are accurate

14:28:09 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:28:14 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:28:15 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:28:25 <bhyland> RESOLVED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.

RESOLVED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.

14:28:58 <bhyland> Accepted last meeting's minutes, http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-30

Bernadette Hyland: Accepted last meeting's minutes, http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-30

14:29:02 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT

1. DCAT

14:29:12 <olyerickson> I already have ;)

John Erickson: I already have ;)

14:29:12 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Haven't yet heard from Fadi re: completion of the remaining work (estimated to be 20% effort) in relation to follow up responses.

John Erickson: Haven't yet heard from Fadi re: completion of the remaining work (estimated to be 20% effort) in relation to follow up responses. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:29:12 <bhyland> bhyland @ 10:26

Bernadette Hyland: bhyland @ 10:26

14:29:12 <bhyland>

Bernadette Hyland:

14:29:12 <bhyland> … expected to be done 2 weeks ago.  That is the only barrier to moving on two 2nd LC of DCAT … apologies.

Bernadette Hyland: … expected to be done 2 weeks ago.  That is the only barrier to moving on two 2nd LC of DCAT … apologies.

14:29:38 <bhyland> ACTION: Olyerickson to ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT.

ACTION: Olyerickson to ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT.

14:29:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2013-06-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-144 - Ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2013-06-27].

14:30:49 <olyerickson> AFAIK there were no "substantive" issues

John Erickson: AFAIK there were no "substantive" issues

14:30:51 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Does not expect anything to be any blockers on DCAT going to 2nd LC. Anticipate there will be responses but nothing substantial is expected.

John Erickson: Does not expect anything to be any blockers on DCAT going to 2nd LC. Anticipate there will be responses but nothing substantial is expected. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:31:03 <olyerickson> Not from me!

John Erickson: Not from me!

14:31:10 <bhyland> TOPIC: LD Glossary

2. LD Glossary

14:31:12 <bhyland> 	1.	LD Glossary and review of 5 Star Linked Data and 5 Star Linked Open Data definitions, please seehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: 1. LD Glossary and review of 5 Star Linked Data and 5 Star Linked Open Data definitions, please seehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

14:33:07 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman

(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)

14:34:04 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland:  background:  people in the field are talking about 5 star linked data and 5 star linked open data (with open licensing).

Bernadette Hyland: background: people in the field are talking about 5 star linked data and 5 star linked open data (with open licensing).

14:35:14 <HadleyBeeman> … In May, we talked about having those two separate definitions.

… In May, we talked about having those two separate definitions.

14:35:42 <HadleyBeeman> … I've realised we've been confusing linked *open* data and linked data (on the public Web, but not openly licensed)

… I've realised we've been confusing linked *open* data and linked data (on the public Web, but not openly licensed)

14:35:56 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

14:36:01 <HadleyBeeman> … The second set isn't 5 star open data.

… The second set isn't 5 star open data.

14:36:48 <HadleyBeeman> Sandro:  It's fine to have both these entries.  Readers may be confused with these as they are.  i suggest:  under 5-star linked open data, explain that a variant of this is...

Sandro Hawke: It's fine to have both these entries. Readers may be confused with these as they are. i suggest: under 5-star linked open data, explain that a variant of this is...

14:37:44 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:37:52 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:37:52 <bhyland> ack sandro

Bernadette Hyland: ack sandro

14:37:53 <HadleyBeeman> ack sandro

ack sandro

14:38:40 <bhyland> Sandro: Could live with either one but carve out the definition in paragraph form to show the differences.

Sandro Hawke: Could live with either one but carve out the definition in paragraph form to show the differences. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:39:04 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  the upcoming Data Best Practices working group will work on this.  This is helping, but will be examined in detail probably next year

Phil Archer: the upcoming Data Best Practices working group will work on this. This is helping, but will be examined in detail probably next year

14:39:14 <bhyland> PhilA: It is healthy to talk about it now but we don't need to solve it today because the future BP group will handle it

Phil Archer: It is healthy to talk about it now but we don't need to solve it today because the future BP group will handle it [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:39:27 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

14:39:28 <PhilA> zakim, mute me

Phil Archer: zakim, mute me

14:39:28 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should now be muted

14:39:29 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: bhyland

(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)

14:39:29 <bhyland> q+

q+

14:39:35 <HadleyBeeman> ack olyerickson

Hadley Beeman: ack olyerickson

14:41:47 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Would prefer to have 5 Star Linked Open Data definition (#2) remain and then reference use of LD principles in the enterprise as 5 Star Linked Data.

John Erickson: Would prefer to have 5 Star Linked Open Data definition (#2) remain and then reference use of LD principles in the enterprise as 5 Star Linked Data.

14:41:50 <BenediktKaempgen> q+

Benedikt Kaempgen: q+

14:42:45 <atemezin> +1 to Olyerickson point regarding this topic

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to Olyerickson point regarding this topic

14:43:43 <PhilA> Bernadette is right - we need the glossary, people are asking for it

Phil Archer: Bernadette is right - we need the glossary, people are asking for it

14:44:24 <PhilA> zakim, unmute me

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute me

14:44:24 <Zakim> Phila should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should no longer be muted

14:44:31 <bhyland> q?

q?

14:44:35 <bhyland> ack bhyland

ack bhyland

14:46:04 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:46:10 <bhyland> Phil: Prefers to keep the 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and then specify that if you're publishing in a closed world, here is what you remove.

Phil Archer: Prefers to keep the 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and then specify that if you're publishing in a closed world, here is what you remove.

14:46:20 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to philA

Hadley Beeman: +1 to philA

14:46:22 <HadleyBeeman> -q

Hadley Beeman: -q

14:46:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to PhilA stick as closely to what is already published

Dave Reynolds: +1 to PhilA stick as closely to what is already published

14:46:30 <olyerickson> +1 to stopping this thread ;)

John Erickson: +1 to stopping this thread ;)

14:46:44 <deirdrelee_> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:46:57 <PhilA> zakim, mute me

Phil Archer: zakim, mute me

14:46:57 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Phila should now be muted

14:46:58 <bhyland> Propose: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.

Scribe problem: the name 'Propose' does not match any of the 72 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Dickson Lukose Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Eric Stephan Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Marios Meimaris Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naomi Yoshizawa Phil Archer Pierre Andrews Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Propose: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.

14:47:10 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Benedikt Kaempgen: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

14:48:16 <bhyland> +1

+1

14:48:33 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:48:57 <olyerickson> I would add: publishing with SOME explicit expression of rights/terms, even if not "open," is strongly recommended.

John Erickson: I would add: publishing with SOME explicit expression of rights/terms, even if not "open," is strongly recommended.

14:49:04 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:49:13 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:49:17 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:49:25 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:49:28 <Mike_Pendleton> +1

Michael Pendleton: +1

14:49:33 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:49:41 <BenediktKaempgen> q-

Benedikt Kaempgen: q-

14:49:48 <bhyland> RESOLVED: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.

RESOLVED: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.

14:49:55 <bhyland> q?

q?

14:50:04 <deirdrelee_> http://5stardata.info/

Deirdre Lee: http://5stardata.info/

14:50:59 <olyerickson> To reinforce: it's not about open vs no license, but open license vs some other terms vs no explicit terms

John Erickson: To reinforce: it's not about open vs no license, but open license vs some other terms vs no explicit terms

14:51:37 <HadleyBeeman> Topic: Data Cube UCR

3. Data Cube UCR

14:51:55 <BenediktKaempgen> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube-ucr/index.html

Benedikt Kaempgen: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube-ucr/index.html

14:52:13 <bhyland> yes

yes

14:52:14 <PhilA> I admit that I haven't responded to BenediktKaempgen's mail. I apologise, but I have confidence that the issues have been addressed

Phil Archer: I admit that I haven't responded to BenediktKaempgen's mail. I apologise, but I have confidence that the issues have been addressed

14:52:52 <DaveReynolds> haven't had a chance to re-read, sorry

Dave Reynolds: haven't had a chance to re-read, sorry

14:52:55 <bhyland> Benedikt: PhilA and DaveReynolds were the reviewers & gave comments.  Benedikt has responded.

Benedikt Kaempgen: PhilA and DaveReynolds were the reviewers & gave comments. Benedikt has responded.

14:53:38 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

14:54:11 <james> loop is closed for me!

James McKinney: loop is closed for me!

14:54:50 <bhyland> ACTION: Benedikt to continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc.

ACTION: Benedikt to continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc.

14:54:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. [on Benedikt Kaempgen - due 2013-06-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-145 - Continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. [on Benedikt Kaempgen - due 2013-06-27].

14:56:08 <bhyland> Hadley: Please take request for Data Cube UCR as WG Note to email with chairs.

Hadley Beeman: Please take request for Data Cube UCR as WG Note to email with chairs.

14:56:14 <bhyland> … If Benedikt can get reviewers to complete review, we anticipate WG Note publication can be completed during the anticipated extension phase.

… If Benedikt can get reviewers to complete review, we anticipate WG Note publication can be completed during the anticipated extension phase.

14:56:18 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT UCR

4. DCAT UCR

14:57:22 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Understood this to be more work than the GLD WG could complete given our resources at this time. We don't expect it to become a WG Note at this time….

John Erickson: Understood this to be more work than the GLD WG could complete given our resources at this time. We don't expect it to become a WG Note at this time….

14:57:34 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:57:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, Phila (muted), BenediktKaempgen, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller], martinA (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, Phila (muted), BenediktKaempgen, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller], martinA (muted)

14:57:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, RRSAgent, deirdrelee_, HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, james, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PhilA2, RRSAgent, deirdrelee_, HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, james, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds,

14:57:38 <Zakim> ... olyerickson, TallTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... olyerickson, TallTed, trackbot, sandro

14:59:20 <bhyland> Olyerickson: We expect for DCAT UCR to be remain artifact of this WG but have no official standing.  It preceded the work of this WG.

John Erickson: We expect for DCAT UCR to be remain artifact of this WG but have no official standing. It preceded the work of this WG.

14:59:54 <DaveReynolds> Agreed, don't make it a note, leave it on the wiki, no more.

Dave Reynolds: Agreed, don't make it a note, leave it on the wiki, no more.

14:59:59 <bhyland> +1

+1

15:00:18 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-23

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-23

15:00:52 <Zakim> -james

Zakim IRC Bot: -james

15:02:00 <olyerickson> I gotta go

John Erickson: I gotta go

15:02:09 <olyerickson> UCR

John Erickson: UCR

15:02:13 <olyerickson> okay

John Erickson: okay

15:02:15 <HadleyBeeman> PROPOSED: to reorient the DCAT UCR to be a "helpful note" including some of the use cases and examples.  On the wiki.

PROPOSED: to reorient the DCAT UCR to be a "helpful note" including some of the use cases and examples. On the wiki.

15:02:16 <olyerickson> +!0

John Erickson: +!0

15:02:20 <olyerickson> +1

John Erickson: +1

15:02:23 <bhyland> +1

+1

15:02:30 <sandro> +1 just to save time

Sandro Hawke: +1 just to save time

15:02:32 <PhilA2> Sounds right to me given time and resources

Phil Archer: Sounds right to me given time and resources

15:02:34 <olyerickson>  Gotta go go another meeting

John Erickson: Gotta go go another meeting

15:02:34 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

15:02:35 <DaveReynolds> -0 what's a "helpful note"?

Dave Reynolds: -0 what's a "helpful note"?

15:02:44 <sandro> a wiki page.

Sandro Hawke: a wiki page.

15:02:46 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds

15:02:57 <bhyland> Resolved: DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing.

RESOLVED: DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing.

15:03:00 <DaveReynolds> Suggest, gain, leave it on the WIki . Not a "Note"

Dave Reynolds: Suggest, gain, leave it on the WIki . Not a "Note"

15:03:11 <bhyland> +1

+1

15:03:47 <PhilA2> thanks

Phil Archer: thanks

15:03:49 <DaveReynolds> bye all

Dave Reynolds: bye all

15:03:49 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

15:03:52 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:03:52 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

15:03:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:03:53 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton

15:03:54 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

15:03:54 <Zakim> -Phila

Zakim IRC Bot: -Phila

15:03:56 <BenediktKaempgen> bye

Benedikt Kaempgen: bye

15:04:01 <bhyland> 	▪	RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

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15:04:02 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

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15:04:02 <atemezin> bye

Ghislain Atemezing: bye

15:04:09 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

15:04:20 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland

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15:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.738.aaaa, Phila, olyerickson, Phila.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland, deirdrelee, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, +1.440.389.aabb,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.703.738.aaaa, Phila, olyerickson, Phila.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland, deirdrelee, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, +1.440.389.aabb,

15:35:02 <Zakim> ... HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller]



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