HTML Media Task Force Teleconference -- 21 May 2013

<trackbot> Date: 21 May 2013

<paulc> Good morning

<paulc> Not sure which [Microsoft] I am

<paulc> I was here after Adrian so I am going to guess .a

<scribe> scribenick: adrianba

<scribe> scribe: adrian bateman

Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe

paulc: done

Previous meeting minutes

paulc: from may 14
... no comments

Review of action items and issues

ACTION-10?

<trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Adrian Bateman to discuss bug 19208 with johnsim -- due 2013-04-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19208

johnsim: when we discussed this previously i thought there was some consolidation

<paulc> last week's minutes said this is a possible duplicate: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-html-media-minutes.html#item03

johnsim: this is about state transitions when the CDM has a key

ACTION-10: this is now about bug 21855 - need to make a proposal

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim.

ACTION-10 due in 1 week

<trackbot> Set ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim due date to 1 week.

EME status and bugs

paulc: need to update the copyright with the new text
... see the FPWD

<ddorwin> My email with bug actions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0103.html

paulc: best bet is to find david's email and step through that
... last week i suggested we needed to know who is on point for various bugs
... there are 10 or 15 items here
... we could open action items for these
... first is Mark to add text to the Editor's Draft per

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0068.html

<scribe> ACTION: markw to add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155 [on Mark Watson - due 2013-05-28].

ACTION-12: this action will also track bug 21569

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-12 Add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155.

ddorwin: i think we can make the text change for bug 21569 and that should handle 21155
... we can review next week if that actually happened

paulc: next is Adrian to review comments and add text to the Editor's Draft for bug 19009

<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].

paulc: next is John Simmons needs to add his comments from the 5/7 telecon

to bug 16857

johnsim: i'm not sure which comment i was supposed to add
... mark has added a comment to 16857
... issue is whether we need a separate error code for not having a needkey handler
... whether we would force people to have a handler

<paulc> Mark's comment on 16857 is at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16857#c4

johnsim: i agree with mark's comment - the error would be used for protected content and no needkey handler
... the question is how do we resolve this bug

paulc: are you saying that comment 4 records the discussion

johnsim: yes, i think so but i don't think everyone concurs

ddorwin: there is some concern that having this handler might be a problem
... the action was to record the other side so we can fix it

<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to fix bug 16857 with mark's comment #4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Fix bug 16857 with mark's comment #4 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].

<markw> I am not a cross-origin expert

paulc: next is bug 21203
... EME leaks
... information cross-origin

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21203

<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to add text based on henri's comment to the spec for bug 21203 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add text based on henri's comment to the spec for bug 21203 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21977

paulc: bug 21977 Swap isTypeSupported() parameter order so keySystem is

first

ddorwin: looking for feedback - easy change - avoids having the first parameter be null

jdsmith: i don't have objections

markw: what would happen if someone got them the wrong way around - might be implementations already

ddorwin: it would fail

markw: it would be easy code to check for this robustly

<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the change in bug 21977 in the draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Implement the change in bug 21977 in the draft [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].

paulc: next are waiting for comments especially from adrian 16540, 20336, 20798

ddorwin: these are bugs where adrian had made a comment and i had replied
... one action could address each of them

paulc: not a good practice unless the bugs are related because doing one bug would result in a partially complete action

ddorwin: worry about having too many actions that duplicate bugs

adrianba: are the bugs related?

ddorwin: two are key system format and case sensitivity
... could group the first and third

<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to provide feedback on keySystem string bugs 16540 and 20798 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Provide feedback on keySystem string bugs 16540 and 20798 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20336

adrianba: i can provide comment on bug 20336 - i stand by my comment 3, i think it is reasonable to keep this on source, it works, and there are reasonable use cases
... so i propose just resolving the bug

paulc: editors will resolve 20336 as WORKSFORME

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096

paulc: bug 19096 - Add 'type'

attribute to MediaKeyNeededEvent

<paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096

paulc: we will discuss 19096 at the next meeting
... next is bug 18515

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515

scribe: Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available
... waiting for comments from mark and joe
... not hearing any comments - should put this on the next agenda

paulc: these bugs are waiting for comments/responses
... 20691 and 20338
... we decided to make the type parameter required
... i was wondering if we should make initdata required too
... which makes the other bug moot

<ddorwin> specifically, this comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691#c3

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691

paulc: does anyone want to express an opinion on 20691
... i suppose you could implement your recommendation and see if joe responds

<markw> +1 to Pauls suggestion

paulc: at this stage i think that's what we should do
... rather have things be reopened than not move

<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the changes for 20691 and 20338 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Implement the changes for 20691 and 20338 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].

paulc: bugs 21854 and 21855 include the words important and attack
... 21855 is already ACTION-10

ddorwin: this blocks 4 other bugs

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854

<ddorwin> Dependent bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/showdependencytree.cgi?id=21854&hide_resolved=1

johnsim: we will discuss this and make a proposal

<paulc> Blocks: 19809 20622 20991 21855

<scribe> ACTION: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Error finding 'johnsim'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: john will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 [on John Simmons - due 2013-05-28].

action-19 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set ACTION-19 Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 due date to 2 weeks.

paulc: last bug was 21798 - david needs to update this bug with feedback

<paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21798

ddorwin: others welcome to chime in

paulc: made it through david's list with 10 minutes left
... everyone who has actions items - when they are done you should update the action item
... good to send a mail to the list

Any other business

paulc: in advance of the MSE pre-last call period i sent notification to the web and tv IG contacts
... and the reps of the external orgs that talked to us recently
... got an email saying that they want to know if they should file questions as bugs
... i said they should file questions but they said they worried that questions wouldn't be handled before last call
... i'm going to recommend they send in questions

adrianba: concerned that questions aren't always very actionable

paulc: implication in mail that some of the questions were follow-ups to last time
... i will suggest they propose more concrete changes
... all i can do is facilitate a dialogue
... i might post the questions for them if necessary and we can decide how to handle
... next week we will deal with MSE
... a few bugs coming in - maybe some more before pre-last call deadline
... plan is MSE next week and EME the week after

Adjournment

paulc: think we're done

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HTML Media Task Force Teleconference

21 May 2013

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