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15:01:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:01:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:09 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:01:09 <trackbot> Date: 21 May 2013
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15:02:31 <glenn> zakim, this is html_wg
15:02:31 <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:02:33 <paulc> Good morning
15:02:38 <Zakim> +ddorwin
15:02:38 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +44.303.040.aaaa, [Microsoft.a], glenn, [Microsoft.aa], ddorwin
15:03:02 <paulc> Not sure which [Microsoft] I am
15:03:16 <paulc> I was here after Adrian so I am going to guess .a
15:03:24 <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:03:24 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:04:07 <Zakim> +pal
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15:04:54 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:04:56 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:04:56 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
15:05:26 <johnsim> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +44.303.040.aaaa, paulc, glenn, [Microsoft.aa], ddorwin, pal, adrianba
15:05:27 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0099.html
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15:05:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:49 <Zakim> +Plh
15:06:00 <markw> Zakim, [IPcaller] is markw
15:06:00 <Zakim> +markw; got it
15:06:10 <adrianba> scribenick: adrianba
15:06:19 <adrianba> scribe: adrian bateman
15:06:23 <adrianba> chair: paul cotton
15:06:25 <johnsim> zakim, [microsoft] is me
15:06:25 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:06:37 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
15:06:39 <adrianba> paulc: done
15:06:41 <johnsim> zakim, who is on phone?
15:06:41 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, johnsim.
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15:06:46 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:06:51 <adrianba> paulc: from may 14
15:06:54 <adrianba> ... no comments
15:07:03 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
15:07:08 <adrianba> ACTION-10?
15:07:08 <trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Adrian Bateman to discuss bug 19208 with johnsim -- due 2013-04-22 -- OPEN
15:07:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10
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15:08:12 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19208
15:08:34 <adrianba> johnsim: when we discussed this previously i thought there was some consolidation
15:08:39 <paulc> last week's minutes said this is a possible duplicate: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-html-media-minutes.html#item03
15:08:48 <adrianba> ... this is about state transitions when the CDM has a key
15:10:19 <adrianba> ACTION-10: this is now about bug 21855 - need to make a proposal
15:10:19 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim.
15:10:25 <adrianba> ACTION-10 due in 1 week
15:10:25 <trackbot> Set ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim due date to 1 week.
15:10:47 <Zakim> +BobLunbd
15:11:05 <adrianba> TOPIC: EME status and bugs
15:11:09 <Zakim> + +1.760.533.aabb
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15:11:54 <adrianba> paulc: need to update the copyright with the new text
15:11:59 <adrianba> ... see the FPWD
15:12:02 <pladd> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:12:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see johnsim, +44.303.040.aaaa, paulc, glenn, [Microsoft.aa], ddorwin, pal, adrianba, markw, Plh, BobLunbd, +1.760.533.aabb
15:12:15 <pladd> Zakim, aabb is me
15:12:15 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
15:12:50 <ddorwin> My email with bug actions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0103.html
15:12:53 <adrianba> paulc: best bet is to find david's email and step through that
15:13:22 <adrianba> ... last week i suggested we needed to know who is on point for various bugs
15:13:29 <adrianba> ... there are 10 or 15 items here
15:14:00 <adrianba> ... we could open action items for these
15:14:33 <adrianba> paulc: first is Mark to add text to the Editor's Draft per
15:14:34 <adrianba>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0068.html
15:15:33 <adrianba> ACTION: markw to add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155
15:15:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155 [on Mark Watson - due 2013-05-28].
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15:16:53 <adrianba> ACTION-12: this action will also track bug 21569
15:16:53 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-12 Add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155.
15:18:24 <adrianba> ddorwin: i think we can make the text change for bug 21569 and that should handle 21155
15:18:33 <adrianba> ... we can review next week if that actually happened
15:19:13 <adrianba> paulc: next is Adrian to review comments and add text to the Editor's Draft for bug 19009
15:19:52 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009
15:19:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].
15:20:38 <adrianba> paulc: next is John Simmons needs to add his comments from the 5/7 telecon
15:20:39 <adrianba>  to bug 16857
15:21:49 <adrianba> johnsim: i'm not sure which comment i was supposed to add
15:22:21 <adrianba> johnsim: mark has added a comment to 16857
15:22:38 <adrianba> ... issue is whether we need a separate error code for not having a needkey handler
15:22:45 <adrianba> ... whether we would force people to have a handler
15:22:52 <paulc> Mark's comment on 16857 is at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16857#c4
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15:23:13 <adrianba> ... i agree with mark's comment - the error would be used for protected content and no needkey handler
15:23:31 <adrianba> johnsim: the question is how do we resolve this bug
15:24:13 <adrianba> paulc: are you saying that comment 4 records the discussion
15:24:27 <adrianba> johnsim: yes, i think so but i don't think everyone concurs
15:24:51 <adrianba> ddorwin: there is some concern that having this handler might be a problem
15:25:03 <adrianba> ... the action was to record the other side so we can fix it
15:25:51 <adrianba> ACTION: ddorwin to fix bug 16857 with mark's comment #4
15:25:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Fix bug 16857 with mark's comment #4 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
15:26:32 <markw> I am not a cross-origin expert
15:26:32 <adrianba> paulc: next is bug 21203
15:26:43 <adrianba> ... EME leaks
15:26:43 <adrianba> information cross-origin
15:26:59 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21203
15:27:09 <adrianba> s/information/... information/
15:27:35 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to add text based on henri's comment to the spec for bug 21203
15:27:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add text based on henri's comment to the spec for bug 21203 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].
15:28:26 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21977
15:28:30 <adrianba> paulc: bug 21977 Swap isTypeSupported() parameter order so keySystem is
15:28:30 <adrianba>  first
15:29:05 <adrianba> ddorwin: looking for feedback - eay change - avoids having the first parameter be null
15:29:25 <ddorwin> s/eay/easy/
15:30:05 <adrianba> jdsmith: i don't have objections
15:30:08 <markw> q+
15:30:18 <paulc> ack markw
15:30:39 <adrianba> markw: what would happen if someone got them the wrong way around - might be implementations already
15:30:47 <adrianba> ddorwin: it would fail
15:31:03 <adrianba> markw: it would be easy code to check for this robustly
15:31:34 <adrianba> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the change in bug 21977 in the draft
15:31:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Implement the change in bug 21977 in the draft [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
15:32:19 <adrianba> paulc: next are waiting for comments especially from adrian 16540, 20336, 20798
15:32:36 <adrianba> ddorwin: these are bugs where adrian had made a comment and i had replied
15:32:51 <adrianba> ... one action could address each of them
15:33:18 <adrianba> paulc: not a good practice unless the bugs are related because doing one bug would result in a partially complete action
15:33:30 <adrianba> ddorwin: worry about having too many actions that duplicate bugs
15:34:16 <adrianba> adrianba: are the bugs related?
15:34:28 <adrianba> ddorwin: two are key system format and case sensitivity
15:34:40 <adrianba> ... could group the first and third
15:35:00 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to provide feedback on keySystem string bugs 16540 and 20798
15:35:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Provide feedback on keySystem string bugs 16540 and 20798 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-05-28].
15:36:14 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20336
15:36:42 <adrianba> adrianba: i can provide comment on bug 20336 - i stand by my comment 3, i think it is reasonable to keep this on source, it works, and there are reasonable use cases
15:36:51 <adrianba> ... so i propose just resolving the bug
15:37:25 <Zakim> -pal
15:37:51 <adrianba> paulc: editors will resolve 20336 as WORKSFORME
15:38:23 <Zakim> -BobLunbd
15:38:29 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20336
15:38:33 <adrianba> paulc: bug 19096 - Add 'type'
15:38:33 <adrianba> attribute to MediaKeyNeededEvent
15:38:39 <adrianba> s/20336/19096/
15:38:48 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
15:38:59 <Zakim> +BobLunbd
15:40:20 <adrianba> paulc: we will discuss 19096 at the next meeting
15:40:51 <adrianba> paulc: next is bug 18515
15:40:55 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
15:41:21 <adrianba> ... Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available
15:41:36 <adrianba> ... waiting for comments from mark and joe
15:41:47 <adrianba> ... not hearing any comments - should put this on the next agenda
15:42:11 <adrianba> paulc: these bugs are waiting for comments/responses
15:42:19 <adrianba> ... 20691 and 20338
15:42:34 <adrianba> ... we decided to make the type parameter required
15:42:44 <adrianba> i was wondering if we should make initdata required too
15:42:49 <adrianba> ... which is the other bug
15:42:52 <ddorwin> specifically, this comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691#c3
15:42:55 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691
15:43:01 <adrianba> s/i was/... i was/
15:43:13 <ddorwin> s/is the other bug/makes the other bug moot/
15:43:18 <adrianba> paulc: does anyone want to express an opinion on 20691
15:44:47 <adrianba> paulc: i suppose you could implement your recommendation and see if joe responds
15:44:51 <markw> +1 to Pauls suggestion
15:44:56 <adrianba> ... at this stage i think that's what we should do
15:45:08 <adrianba> ... rather have things be reopened than not move
15:45:37 <adrianba> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the changes for 20691 and 20338
15:45:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Implement the changes for 20691 and 20338 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
15:46:12 <adrianba> paulc: bugs 21854 and 21855 include the words important and attack
15:46:54 <adrianba> ... 21855 is already ACTION-10
15:47:34 <adrianba> ddorwin: this blocks 4 other bugs
15:47:47 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
15:47:59 <ddorwin> Dependent bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/showdependencytree.cgi?id=21854&hide_resolved=1
15:48:53 <adrianba> johnsim: we will discuss this and make a proposal
15:49:22 <paulc> Blocks: 19809 20622 20991 21855
15:49:42 <adrianba> ACTION: johnsim will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854
15:49:42 <trackbot> Error finding 'johnsim'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
15:49:53 <adrianba> ACTION: john will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854
15:49:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 [on John Simmons - due 2013-05-28].
15:50:09 <adrianba> action-19 due in 2 weeks
15:50:09 <trackbot> Set ACTION-19 Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 due date to 2 weeks.
15:50:40 <adrianba> paulc: last bug was 21798 - david needs to update this bug with feedback
15:50:40 <paulc> Bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21798
15:50:56 <adrianba> ddorwin: others welcome to chime in
15:51:08 <adrianba> paulc: made it through david's list with 10 minutes left
15:51:26 <adrianba> ... everyone who has actions items - when they are done you should update the action item
15:51:32 <adrianba> ... good to send a mail to the list
15:52:49 <adrianba> TOPIC: Any other business
15:53:25 <adrianba> paulc: in advance of the MSE pre-last call period i sent notification to the web and tv IG contacts
15:53:36 <adrianba> ... and the reps of the external orgs that talked to us recently
15:53:54 <adrianba> ... got an email saying that they want to know if they should file questions as bugs
15:54:27 <adrianba> ... i said they should file questions but they said they worried that questions wouldn't be handled before last call
15:54:28 <adrianba> q+
15:54:43 <adrianba> paulc: i'm going to recommend they send in questions
15:54:48 <paulc> ack adrian
15:56:04 <adrianba> adrianba: concerned that questions aren't always very actionable
15:56:28 <adrianba> paulc: implication in mail that some of the questions were follow-ups to last time
15:56:51 <adrianba> ... i will suggest they propose more concrete changes
15:57:01 <adrianba> ... all i can do is facilitate a dialogue
15:57:25 <adrianba> ... i might post the questions for them if necessary and we can decide how to handle
15:57:35 <adrianba> paulc: next week we will deal with MSE
15:57:55 <adrianba> ... a few bugs coming in - maybe some more before pre-last call deadline
15:58:06 <adrianba> ... plan is MSE next week and EME the week after
15:58:13 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:58:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:58:18 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
15:58:22 <adrianba> paulc: think we're done
15:58:37 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:58:38 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:58:40 <Zakim> -pladd
15:58:41 <Zakim> -paulc
15:58:43 <Zakim> -markw
15:58:46 <Zakim> -davide
15:58:48 <Zakim> -adrianba
15:58:50 <Zakim> -glenn
15:58:54 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
15:58:55 <adrianba> zakim, bye
15:58:55 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +44.303.040.aaaa, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, pal, adrianba, Plh, markw, johnsim, BobLunbd, +1.760.533.aabb, pladd, davide
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15:59:00 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:59:04 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
15:59:43 <adrianba> s/johnsim will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854//
15:59:54 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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