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<trackbot> Closed ACTION-189 Announce ruby note will be published as note, last call for next week.
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-190 Write to contacts and cjk list about bopomofo handling as base and as ruby text.
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-191 Request comments on wiki page about bidi change proposal to robin, bidi list, winter list, and html.
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-192 Solicit from input Unicode on skipping spaces in css3 text-decoration specifically ethiopic word sep, etc..
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-193 Supply CSS3 with pictures of skip-ink for tibetan or khmer.
Norbert: published first draft of
... adds time zone ids
... from tzinfo
... can specify language for casing
norbert volunteers to shepherd :-)
HTML+RDFa and XInclude 1.1: no comments
JcK: stick to 1600Z and check for whom this is a problem?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: poll for heartburn for keeping call at 1600Z [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-194 - Poll for heartburn for keeping call at 1500Z [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-03-14].
richard: didn't move wiki forward
because of discussion of
... IE in stds mode is doing isolation
... so use case of "old hacks" might not be important?
... so crucial question
... simplest way to is change semantics of @dir
... and that would be easiest
... want to discuss that
aharon: agree with your
... did more IE testing
... if non-stds mode, does weird stuff
... if span with @dir
... isolates stuff following
... but not preceeding it
... so weird
... can't say IE has isolation
<JcK> Having had that scheduling discussion, regrets for next week -- IETF meeting conflicts with anything after 1130 UT :-(
aharon: but can say that currently a lack of interop
richard: how to decide?
... three scenarios
... ask HTML WG?
Norbert: anyone rely on
... and how does it work with IE
... if no one relies on
... then can change
richard: aharon had examples of it though
aharon: actually found examples
in pages designed for IE7
... those pages would have been broken by change in IE
richard: how many more fixed than
broken by change??
... so maybe some uplift too
aharon: probably right thing to
... but don't believe my opinion will carry day
richard: two items docuemented
<scribe> ... new @direction
... add two
... and third would be change semantics
matial: limit damage with
... by giving guidance for using RLM etc
... using same markup, so to get same behavior you'd add enclosing RLM/LRM
aharon: new version of article gives that as guidance now
richard: need to put in front of
HTML and CSS
... need to edit wiki first
... won't get to for two weeks
<scribe> chair: to look at in two weeks
aharon: one other thing
<scribe> ... new attribute values
... dependent on
using css hack for transition
... css-hack doesn't work
... for IE7 and earlier
... nothing works there
... totally ignore (and doesn't show css) any @dir with unrecognized values
... as if @dir=foo is not even there
richard: please send me examples
... so can be complete
<r12a> ACTION: Aharon to send Richard notes about IE behaviour wrt direction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Send Richard notes about IE behaviour wrt direction [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-03-14].
richard: started making
... more I thought about it...
... combining new thing with old thing
... hypothetical cases were pretty historical
... didn't think I'd have time to fix it
... but deciced to plunge ahead
... much better document (and shorter too)
... so have rewritten a lot (most text touched)
... so back to needing to review
... need wide review
addison: think this is useful
richard: space issue
... everyone pretty prints their html for examples
... this causes spurious spaces
Consider the sequence: がつgatsu月. There are no spaces in the sequence. You don't want to insert one just because the break occurs just before or after "gatsu". However, the opposite case can also exist: "The word 月 appears in this sentence." 月 wants spaces around it here. It is the layout context that matters and this cannot be determined strictly from the characters at the line break location.
doesn't work for Thai either
richard: should move away from
current html5 (another reason)
... open/close <rb> tags help
<scribe> ACTION: richard: request fequest feedback on ruby use cases with an eye towards publishing updated version in two weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Request fequest feedback on ruby use cases with an eye towards publishing updated version in two weeks [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-03-14].
s/two weeks from 7 March from 7 March/
Norbert: add search cases for
user text and user interaction with text
... rather than identifiers, etc.
addison: wouldn't affect content
authors and wouldn't affect specs
... but implementatinos of "find" would be
addison: will take css skip spaces next week, will send email with the feedback