WebID Community Group Teleconference -- 01 Feb 2013

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<sergio> hi

<sergio> bblfish: sorry, I can't join you by audio

<bblfish> sergio: have you tried the Voice over IP tools?

<TallTed> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 01 February 2013

<TallTed> hm. RRSAgent is not online. logs will need some manual post-processing.

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html

<sergio> bblfish: no, technically I can, but I can't due other reasons, but I'll be available at irc for whatever you'd need me

<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

<scribe> scribenick: deiu

<scribe> scribe: Andrei

chairnick: bblfish

accept minutes from last confcall

<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/25-webid-minutes.html

<bblfish> +1

<bergi> +1

<bobP> +1

look and try to close several old actions

<bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0005.html

<TallTed> action-17?

<trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jeff Sayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/17

<bblfish> Issue-17?

<trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Add UML Sequence diagram to spec -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/17

<bblfish> Action-17?

<trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jeff Sayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/17

<bblfish> Does someone want to pick this up?

TallTed: closing these actions requires a little bit more lead time
... actions are things we decided they should be done

bblfish: what shall we do then? this is a lot of work to pick up

<bobP> deiu: Maybe give people 1 week to pick up actions they want to work on

<bblfish> Issue-33?

<trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Add a reference to the X.509 spec in the references sections -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/33

<bblfish> Action-33?

<trackbot> ACTION-33 -- Ted Thibodeau to write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation. -- due 2011-07-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/33

<bblfish> close ACTION-33

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-33 Write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation..

action-48?

<trackbot> ACTION-48 -- Henry Story to jÌ?rgen Jakobitsch to put up thesaurus wiki available to team -- due 2011-11-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/48

<bblfish> Close Action-48?

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-48 JÌ?rgen Jakobitsch to put up thesaurus wiki available to team.

<bblfish> +1

<bergi> +1

<bobP> +1

<scor> +1

<sergio> +1

action-50?

<trackbot> ACTION-50 -- StŽphane Corlosquet to fix respec.js errors in the spec -- due 2011-11-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/50

<bblfish> Action-50 ?

<trackbot> ACTION-50 -- StŽphane Corlosquet to fix respec.js errors in the spec -- due 2011-11-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/50

<bblfish> close ACTION-50

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-50 Fix respec.js errors in the spec.

action-51?

<trackbot> ACTION-51 -- Sergio Fern‡ndez to explain on the wiki how to configure WebID on Apache Tomcat -- due 2011-12-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/51

<TallTed> action-50 was completed

<bblfish> ACTION-51?

<trackbot> ACTION-51 -- Sergio Fern‡ndez to explain on the wiki how to configure WebID on Apache Tomcat -- due 2011-12-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/51

bblfish: action-51 was completed

<TallTed> action-48 was abandoned, as it was for a third-party project/site

<scor> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Tomcat_Configuration

<sergio> about action-51, do we need anything else at the wiki?

<sergio> old content, but still valid

<sergio> scor: no audio, sorry

<sergio> scor: another meeting

<TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open

<bblfish> close action-51

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-51 Explain on the wiki how to configure WebID on Apache Tomcat.

<bobP> deiu and bblfish: Finding out that we have closed all the actions.

Resolved: look and try to close several old actions

<TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues

issue-7?

<trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Move esw wiki contents? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/7

<TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/8

<bblfish> action-8?

<trackbot> ACTION-8 -- StŽphane Corlosquet to automatically generate the WebID implementation report wiki page -- due 2011-02-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/8

<TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/8?changelog

<sergio> action-8 remembers me that B2B2000 didn't add liferay implementation to http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_Protocol_Implementations

<bblfish> Issue-9?

<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Develop WebID Test Suite -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/9

close or move old issues

TallTed: explaining the process of issues

<bblfish> Issue-5?

<trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Follow Work in publishing keys in DNSSEC - DANE -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/5

bblfish: the specs are there, so that's pretty much finished
... not sure it still makes sense to open it
... I thought it would be important for us, since it removes some of the criticism (relying on certificates)
... we can't close it, but we should look into seeing if it fits into the spec

<bblfish> reopen issue-5

<trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-5 Follow Work in publishing keys in DNSSEC - DANE.

<bblfish> action henry to look into seeing if DANE fits into spec

<trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Look into seeing if DANE fits into spec [on Henry Story - due 2013-02-08].

<TallTed> trackbot, associate action-55 with issue-5

<trackbot> ACTION-55 (Look into seeing if DANE fits into spec) associated with ISSUE-5.

<bblfish> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html

<bblfish> Action henry to fix spec due to movement of w3c behind https

<trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Fix spec due to movement of w3c behind https [on Henry Story - due 2013-02-08].

issue-17?

<trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Add UML Sequence diagram to spec -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/17

<bblfish> close Issue-17

<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-17 Add UML Sequence diagram to spec.

<TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/17

<bblfish> Issue-18?

<trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18

TallTed: issue-17 should have been an action, not an issue

<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#the-webid-protocol

<bobP> bblfish: WebID spec section 3 requires TLS-like service

<bblfish> "a TLS enabled protocol such as HTTPS"

<bobP> ... Bob initiates via TLS...

bblfish: the argument for issue-18 is that the WebID spec (Section 3) specifies TLS

<bobP> ... was hoping to be careful everywhere to say this everywhere, and still works

<bblfish> the protocol we are wokring does not have be an http protocol

bblfish: it doesn't have to be HTTPS, it can be FTPS

<bobP> ... protocol itself does not have to be http behind it

TallTed: "WebID protocol" is not the right label

<bblfish> Proposal: name TLS spec "WebID Authentication over TLS"

<TallTed> latest version -- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html

deiu: I thought we already had WebID-TLS

<scor> "Web Identification and Discovery"

<bblfish> you need to look at it in Firefox

<scor> yes, that should be renamed

<bblfish> +1

<bobP> deiu: During TPAC, decided to split into two specs

<bblfish> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html

<bobP> deiu: This spec is only about identity, not authentication

<bobP> deiu: standing corrected...

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html

<bobP> deiu: This is the other spec

this is the identity spec

<bobP> deiu: Only identity, not auth

<bobP> ... this is the split into two specs: identity and auth

<TallTed> proposal: (volunteer) to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html

<bblfish> +1

<TallTed> +1

<bergi> +1

<TallTed> RESOLVED: (volunteer) to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html

<scor> +1

<TallTed> ACTION: deiu to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html

<trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-08].

Proposal: name TLS spec "WebID Authentication over TLS"

<bblfish> +1

<scor> +1

<bobP> +1

<bergi> +1

<bobP> "profile" is a good term

<bblfish> Issue-18?

<trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18

<TallTed> reopen issue-18

<trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-18 Transfer Protocol Independence.

bblfish: I will contact Nathan about it

<TallTed> ACTION: bblfish to contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18

<trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18 [on Henry Story - due 2013-02-08].

<TallTed> trackbot, associate action-57 with issue-18

<trackbot> ACTION-57 (Remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html) associated with ISSUE-18.

<bblfish> Issue-10?

<trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Hash URLs for Agents -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/10

<bblfish> Issue-19?

<trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- x509v3 Independence and TLS Extensions -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/19

bblfish: this will be the last issue discussed today
... this is something that is not vital, we either close/postpone issues that are not relevant now, or move them to special section called "Future work"

<TallTed> proposal: postpone issue-19

<scor> +1 for postpone

<bblfish> +1

<TallTed> +1

<bobP> +1

<bergi> +1

<TallTed> RESOLVED: postpone issue-19

<scor> bblfish: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html is now working on chrome :)

WebID Definition

<bobP> bblfish: I think it's quite fun, closing these issues :)

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/

<TallTed> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/results

<scor> bblfish: when is the poll closing?

Final voting results is 3. MUST be an HTTP(S) URI

<TallTed> official poll close is midnight tonight ET

<scor> I can merge the proposed spec

<bblfish> Action deiu to adapt spec to results of vote

<trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Adapt spec to results of vote [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-08].

<scor> here is the branch : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/generic-http-uri-definition/spec/identity-respec.html

<bblfish> action scor to move webid tls spec to branch according to vote results

<trackbot> Error finding 'scor'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.

<scor> action scorlosq to move webid tls spec to branch according to vote results

<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Move webid tls spec to branch according to vote results [on StŽphane Corlosquet - due 2013-02-08].

<bblfish> action scor to move webid tls spec to branch according to vote results

<trackbot> Error finding 'scor'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.

<bblfish> ISSUE-26

<trackbot> ISSUE-26 -- take account of client_certificate_url extension in spec -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/26

bblfish: this proposal we can also postpone. Interesting idea but no browser implements it. The point is that you no longer need a certificate.

<bobP> (sounds like one of the postponable ones)

<bblfish> Proposal: postpone?

<bblfish> +1

<bobP> +1

<bblfish> postpone issue-26

<scor> +1

<bergi> +1

<bblfish> ISSUE-37

<trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Should WebFinger be mentioned in the spec? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/37

<bblfish> Move to identity-intereroperability product

bblfish: this should be part of the identity and interoperability page

<bblfish> +!

<bblfish> +1

<scor> +1

<TallTed> close issue-37 with action to discuss WebFinger on interop page

TallTed: we all agreed on closing it in favor of moving webfinger to the Id & Interop document

<bblfish> Action TallTed to rename the products to something reasonable

<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Rename the products to something reasonable [on Ted Thibodeau - due 2013-02-08].

<bobP> ++1

<bobP> bblfish: Meet next week.

<bblfish> Proposal: meet next week

<bblfish> +1

<bergi> +1

<TallTed> RESOLVED: next meeting 2013-02-08

<bblfish> till next week.

<bblfish> bye

<scor> trackbot, end conference

- DRAFT -

WebID Community Group Teleconference

01 Feb 2013

Attendees

Contents

accept minutes from last confcall

look and try to close several old actions

close or move old issues

WebID Definition

Summary of Action Items