Linked Data Platform Working Group

Minutes of 14 January 2013

Seen
Andy Seaborne, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Richard Cyganiak, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
Scribe
Steve Speicher
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013 link
  2. Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare link
  3. Open ISSUE-43 link
  4. Open ISSUE-44 link
  5. Postpone ISSUE-5 link
Topics
14:57:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/14-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/14-ldp-irc

14:57:54 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here?

14:57:54 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I don't know what conference this is

14:57:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

14:58:19 <Ruben> Zakim, list

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, list

14:58:19 <Zakim> I see BusD_Digital()10:00AM, Team_(html-a11y-plan)14:05Z, SW_LDP()10:00AM active

Zakim IRC Bot: I see BusD_Digital()10:00AM, Team_(html-a11y-plan)14:05Z, SW_LDP()10:00AM active

14:58:22 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(Chairs)9:00AM, XML_SchemaW()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()10:00AM, MM_MMI()9:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, SW_HCLS(Disc)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(Chairs)9:00AM, XML_SchemaW()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()10:00AM, MM_MMI()9:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, SW_HCLS(Disc)10:00AM

14:58:39 <Ruben> Zakim, this is SW_LDP

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, this is SW_LDP

14:58:39 <Zakim> ok, Ruben; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ruben; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

14:58:47 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here?

14:58:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN, SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN, SteveBattle

14:58:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

14:58:53 <Ruben> Zakim, TomDN is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, TomDN is me

14:58:53 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it

14:59:04 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:00:46 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:00:55 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:57 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:01:01 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:01:11 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:11 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:01:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

15:01:12 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:01:14 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:01:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

15:01:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:01:59 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:02:11 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

15:02:52 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on here?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on here?

15:02:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud.

15:03:01 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aaaa

15:03:08 <bblfish> zakim, who's present?

Henry Story: zakim, who's present?

15:03:08 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bblfish.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bblfish.

15:03:12 <Ruben> zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is here?

15:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa

15:03:13 <Arnaud> Bonne Annee Bernadette! :)

Arnaud Le Hors: Bonne Annee Bernadette! :)

15:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,

15:03:15 <Zakim> ... ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP

15:03:26 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:03:40 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

15:04:17 <roger> zakim, I am ?aaaa

Roger Menday: zakim, I am ?aaaa

15:04:17 <Zakim> sorry, roger, I do not see a party named '?aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, roger, I do not see a party named '?aaaa'

15:04:27 <roger> zakim, I am aaaa

Roger Menday: zakim, I am aaaa

15:04:27 <Zakim> +roger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it

15:04:44 <krp> zakim, ??P19 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P19 is me

15:04:44 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:04:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:05:00 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:05:01 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:05:11 <Yves> regrets, in another meeting...

Yves Lafon: regrets, in another meeting...

15:05:12 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is roger

John Arwe: zakim, aaaa is roger

15:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:05:49 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim

15:05:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SteveS

15:06:25 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here?

15:06:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, roger, krp, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, roger, krp, AndyS

15:06:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,

15:06:27 <Zakim> ... ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP

15:06:44 <Zakim> +MHausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +MHausenblas

15:06:47 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me

15:06:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:07:05 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise?

Henry Story: zakim, who is making noise?

15:07:17 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (4%), Arnaud (43%), JohnArwe (5%), AndyS (61%)

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (4%), Arnaud (43%), JohnArwe (5%), AndyS (61%)

15:07:33 <SteveS> Scribe: SteveS

(Scribe set to Steve Speicher)

15:07:48 <SteveS> Topic: Minutes from 7-Jan-2013

1. Minutes from 7-Jan-2013

15:08:17 <bblfish> how do you know that he was on irc Arnaud?

Henry Story: how do you know that he was on irc Arnaud?

15:08:18 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-01-07

http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-01-07

15:08:35 <bblfish> so what was his name in the irc log?

Henry Story: so what was his name in the irc log?

15:08:51 <SteveS> Arnaud: Trying to discover who is W782C

Arnaud Le Hors: Trying to discover who is W782C

15:09:26 <bblfish> ah ok

Henry Story: ah ok

15:09:31 <SteveS> from last meeting, we haven't identified this person/bot

from last meeting, we haven't identified this person/bot

15:09:55 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013

PROPOSED: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013

15:09:58 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:10:08 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:10:18 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013

RESOLVED: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013

15:10:29 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:10:38 <SteveS> Topic: Logistics of meetings, including F2F

2. Logistics of meetings, including F2F

15:10:54 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2

http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2

15:11:25 <SteveS> Arnaud: opportunity to sponsor events

Arnaud Le Hors: opportunity to sponsor events

15:11:35 <SteveS> be sure to update whether you can attend or not on the wiki page

be sure to update whether you can attend or not on the wiki page

15:11:45 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

15:11:56 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:11:56 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

15:12:17 <SteveS> there are a couple of options for rooms, one with a view and other with video conference

there are a couple of options for rooms, one with a view and other with video conference

15:12:53 <SteveS> would prefer a bit view, though interested who would use or need video conference

would prefer a bit view, though interested who would use or need video conference

15:12:53 <bblfish> Arnaud: MacTed says that "found this in local IRC logs...  [10:06:08 AM] *** W782C is now known as nmihindu" -- just repeating it because I am not sure /me end up being visible in the logs

Arnaud Le Hors: MacTed says that "found this in local IRC logs... [10:06:08 AM] *** W782C is now known as nmihindu" -- just repeating it because I am not sure /me end up being visible in the logs [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:13:11 <JohnArwe> nmihindu, you joined after a discussion that MacTed's logs suggest you might be related to.  Did you join last week as W782C ?

John Arwe: nmihindu, you joined after a discussion that MacTed's logs suggest you might be related to. Did you join last week as W782C ?

15:13:19 <SteveS> Sandro: unsure of the logistical details of the video conference, could send

Sandro Hawke: unsure of the logistical details of the video conference, could send

15:13:37 <SteveS> video conf room can only fit about 9 people around the room

video conf table can only fit about 9 people around the table

15:13:44 <sandro> s/room/table
15:13:59 <SteveS> Topic: Actions and Issues

3. Actions and Issues

15:14:12 <SteveS> ACTION-34?

ACTION-34?

15:14:12 <trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Upate spec for resolution of ISSUE-12 PATCH for creation -- due 2013-01-15 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-34 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Upate spec for resolution of ISSUE-12 PATCH for creation -- due 2013-01-15 -- OPEN

15:14:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/34

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/34

15:14:29 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

15:15:03 <SteveS> JohnArwe: has created wiki page for it already but not completely populated

John Arwe: has created wiki page for it already but not completely populated

15:15:28 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34 is the link (resolves action 35)

John Arwe: ISSUE-34">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34 is the link (resolves ACTION-35)

15:15:34 <SteveS> ACTION-35?

ACTION-35?

15:15:34 <trackbot> ACTION-35 -- John Arwe to create wiki page for issue-34 proposals -- due 2013-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-35 -- John Arwe to create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals -- due 2013-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

15:15:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/35

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/35

15:15:45 <SteveS> CLOSE ACTION-35

CLOSE ACTION-35

15:15:45 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-35 Create wiki page for issue-34 proposals.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-35 Create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals.

15:16:19 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:16:27 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, I joined last week, I thought I joined as nhihindu. But according to the log it was first W782C.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: JohnArwe, I joined last week, I thought I joined as nhihindu. But according to the log it was first W782C.

15:16:31 <JohnArwe> I also linked issue 34 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 to the new wiki page

John Arwe: I also linked ISSUE-34 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 to the new wiki page

15:16:45 <SteveS> ACTION-6?

ACTION-6?

15:16:45 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN

15:16:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

15:17:06 <SteveS> Arnaud: not sure Michael can tend to it

Arnaud Le Hors: not sure Michael can tend to it

15:17:21 <SteveS> recommend dropping it (closing it as no work done)

recommend dropping it (closing it as no work done)

15:17:35 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:17:59 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare

PROPOSED: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare

15:18:45 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:18:49 <SteveS> +1

+1

15:18:55 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:18:55 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:18:58 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:19:02 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

15:19:10 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:19:17 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

15:19:22 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare

RESOLVED: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare

15:19:29 <SteveS> CLOSE ACTION-6

CLOSE ACTION-6

15:19:29 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-6 Review SDshare.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-6 Review SDshare.

15:19:42 <bblfish> wait

Henry Story: wait

15:19:49 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:20:42 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:21:00 <bblfish> Action-30?

Henry Story: ACTION-30?

15:21:00 <trackbot> ACTION-30 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used -- due 2012-12-31 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used -- due 2012-12-31 -- OPEN

15:21:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30

15:21:06 <SteveS> bblfish: question on ACTION-30 and whether we should include a trailing slash on container URIs

Henry Story: question on ACTION-30 and whether we should include a trailing slash on container URIs

15:21:46 <SteveS> SteveS: editor's will take feedback and incorporate it when finishing ACTION-30

Steve Speicher: editor's will take feedback and incorporate it when finishing ACTION-30

15:22:10 <bblfish> the issue with Action-30 I was mentioning was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jan/0071.html

Henry Story: the issue with ACTION-30 I was mentioning was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jan/0071.html

15:22:18 <bblfish> Action-43 ?

Henry Story: ACTION-43 ?

15:22:20 <SteveS> subTopic: Raised issues https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised

3.1. Raised issues https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised

15:22:34 <SteveS> ISSUE-43?

ISSUE-43?

15:22:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- hint at naming a resource on creation -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-43 -- hint at naming a resource on creation -- raised

15:22:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/43

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/43

15:22:59 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok

15:23:10 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:23:11 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-43 to open

PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-43 to open

15:23:14 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:23:15 <SteveS> +1

+1

15:23:16 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:23:17 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:23:18 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

15:23:22 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

15:23:41 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:23:52 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

15:23:58 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Open ISSUE-43

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-43

15:24:04 <SteveS> OPEN ISSUE-43

OPEN ISSUE-43

15:24:11 <SteveS> REOPEN ISSUE-43

REOPEN ISSUE-43

15:24:12 <trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-43 hint at naming a resource on creation.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Re-opened ISSUE-43 hint at naming a resource on creation.

15:24:24 <SteveS> ISSUE-44

ISSUE-44

15:24:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-44 -- 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-44 -- 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive -- raised

15:24:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/44

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/44

15:26:38 <JohnArwe> not seeing any link from the issue to SteveS's answer

John Arwe: not seeing any link from the issue to SteveS's answer

15:26:41 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:26:41 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:26:41 <SteveS> bblfish: thinks it should be in best practices doc and is confusing

Henry Story: thinks it should be in best practices doc and is confusing

15:27:14 <AndyS> Could someone add links to email in the issue?

Andy Seaborne: Could someone add links to email in the issue?

15:27:20 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:27:26 <AndyS> You can edit the issue.

Andy Seaborne: You can edit the issue.

15:27:30 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:27:56 <JohnArwe> ah - email discussion happened on wg list before issue was opened

John Arwe: ah - email discussion happened on wg list before issue was opened

15:27:56 <SteveS> MacTed: discussion might be lost if we don't have the thread, so should raise issue and then discussion

Ted Thibodeau: discussion might be lost if we don't have the thread, so should raise issue and then discussion

15:28:06 <bblfish> Ok, I should have done that.

Henry Story: Ok, I should have done that.

15:28:11 <SteveS> or better to have summary of discussion, with link to detailed thread

or better to have summary of discussion, with link to detailed thread

15:28:24 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:28:24 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:29:01 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-44 to open

PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-44 to open

15:29:04 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:29:05 <SteveS> +1

+1

15:29:06 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:29:07 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:29:08 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:29:17 <JohnArwe> MacTed were you suggesting a process change for the future as well?

John Arwe: MacTed were you suggesting a process change for the future as well?

15:29:26 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Open ISSUE-44

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-44

15:29:32 <SteveS> REOPEN ISSUE-44

REOPEN ISSUE-44

15:29:32 <trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-44 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Re-opened ISSUE-44 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive.

15:29:35 <bblfish> Ok, next time I'll try to summarise it. I thought that this time the issue itself summarised my thread.

Henry Story: Ok, next time I'll try to summarise it. I thought that this time the issue itself summarised my thread.

15:29:52 <bblfish> Initially when I brought this up, I was confused about this paragraph.

Henry Story: Initially when I brought this up, I was confused about this paragraph.

15:29:54 <SteveS> subTopic: Issues pending review, ISSUE-5

3.2. Issues pending review, ISSUE-5

15:29:59 <SteveS> ISSUE-5

ISSUE-5

15:29:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review

15:29:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5

15:30:29 <SteveS> Arnaud: some discussion previously to move to this issue to postponed

Arnaud Le Hors: some discussion previously to move to this issue to postponed

15:30:32 <bblfish> +1 for postpone

Henry Story: +1 for postpone

15:30:47 <JohnArwe> ...e.g. raised issues could be discussed on the list using the tracker number so the links happen automagically, and if that discussion leads either to it not being opened or other actions, history is retained

John Arwe: ...e.g. raised issues could be discussed on the list using the tracker number so the links happen automagically, and if that discussion leads either to it not being opened or other actions, history is retained

15:31:18 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:32:10 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:32:57 <SteveS> bblfish: better to postpone to have some time to implement and get some more feedback on what should be said in LDP

Henry Story: better to postpone to have some time to implement and get some more feedback on what should be said in LDP

15:33:43 <SteveS> Arnaud: the SemWeb coordination call this came up as GSP and LDP

Arnaud Le Hors: the SemWeb coordination call this came up as GSP and LDP

15:34:18 <SteveS> …Ian said key will be from implementers if they can implement both from same server and no conflicts

…Ian said key will be from implementers if they can implement both from same server and no conflicts

15:34:23 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-5 to postponed

PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-5 to postponed

15:34:25 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:34:26 <SteveS> +1

+1

15:34:31 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:34:33 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

15:34:38 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:34:46 <JohnArwe> do see value in helping consumers decide which spec(s) to implement and why so +1

John Arwe: do see value in helping consumers decide which spec(s) to implement and why so +1

15:34:49 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:34:56 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

15:35:04 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Postpone ISSUE-5

RESOLVED: Postpone ISSUE-5

15:35:17 <SteveS> POSTPONE ISSUE-5

POSTPONE ISSUE-5

15:36:31 <SteveS> Topic: UC&R

4. UC&R

15:36:50 <stevebattle> Thanks to SteveS for making the final corrections to UC&R

Steve Battle: Thanks to SteveS for making the final corrections to UC&R

15:37:18 <SteveS> SteveS: Committed changes to respect biblio references and berjon committed.

Steve Speicher: Committed changes to respect biblio references and berjon committed.

15:37:21 <Ruben> Zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, mute me

15:37:21 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

15:37:47 <SteveS> waiting for web team to publish, everything is ready

waiting for web team to publish, everything is ready

15:38:02 <SteveS> Topic: Spec status

5. Spec status

15:38:59 <bblfish> Issue-37?

Henry Story: ISSUE-37?

15:38:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

15:38:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

15:39:11 <SteveS> JohnArwe: has done some editing and updates in the spec

John Arwe: has done some editing and updates in the spec

15:39:32 <SteveS> SteveS: haven't made changes for issue 25 resolution

Steve Speicher: haven't made changes for ISSUE-25 resolution

15:40:27 <SteveS> Topic: ISSUE-37 wiki summary of LDP model

6. ISSUE-37 wiki summary of LDP model

15:40:38 <bblfish> This is the wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37

Henry Story: This is the wiki page: ISSUE-37">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37

15:41:14 <SteveS> Arnaud: Erik has summarized with AtomPub model, SteveS has updated with LDP work

Arnaud Le Hors: Erik has summarized with AtomPub model, SteveS has updated with LDP work

15:41:54 <bblfish> Issue-34?

Henry Story: ISSUE-34?

15:41:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open

15:41:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34

15:43:15 <SteveS> Arnaud:  The new proposal for aggregation should be around ISSUE-34 or others that are appropriate

Arnaud Le Hors: The new proposal for aggregation should be around ISSUE-34 or others that are appropriate

15:43:16 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:43:39 <SteveS> q+

q+

15:44:04 <SteveS> Arnaud: Is there understanding as this is the approach?

Arnaud Le Hors: Is there understanding as this is the approach?

15:44:15 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:45:36 <SteveS> bblfish: thinks it will be helpful to map it to common concepts like filesystems, which may help people understand the model

Henry Story: thinks it will be helpful to map it to common concepts like filesystems, which may help people understand the model

15:46:30 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

15:46:46 <SteveS> Arnaud: Erik used the AtomPub to help describe, expectation that others could contribute their views onto the wiki

Arnaud Le Hors: Erik used the AtomPub to help describe, expectation that others could contribute their views onto the wiki

15:46:52 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:47:51 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

15:48:10 <SteveS> q+

q+

15:48:14 <JohnArwe> q+ we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

John Arwe: q+ we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

15:48:33 <JohnArwe> q+ to ask we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

John Arwe: q+ to ask we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

15:49:07 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:49:38 <bblfish> I'll try to add a file system model as a point of comparison to see how it differs from the other two.

Henry Story: I'll try to add a file system model as a point of comparison to see how it differs from the other two.

15:50:16 <bblfish> who is it?

Henry Story: who is it?

15:50:29 <stevebattle> Roger

Steve Battle: Roger

15:50:32 <JohnArwe> roger is speaking, if that's your question henry

John Arwe: roger is speaking, if that's your question henry

15:50:36 <bblfish> thnx

Henry Story: thnx

15:50:45 <bblfish> ( that's why the queue is useful )

Henry Story: ( that's why the queue is useful )

15:51:20 <SteveS> SteveS: thinks we should set a timeframe for review and get feedback, like Henry's proposal and Ashok's questions/feedback

Steve Speicher: thinks we should set a timeframe for review and get feedback, like Henry's proposal and Ashok's questions/feedback

15:51:46 <SteveS> roger: thinks we need a way like the wiki page to present alternative models, that have useful features

Roger Menday: thinks we need a way like the wiki page to present alternative models, that have useful features

15:51:49 <Arnaud> ack John

Arnaud Le Hors: ack John

15:51:49 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to ask we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, you wanted to ask we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?

15:52:58 <SteveS> SteveS: we have a model in LDP, the issue 37 is about just documenting it and framing any possible gaps, we still use issue tracking to get resolution of model changes

Steve Speicher: we have a model in LDP, the ISSUE-37 is about just documenting it and framing any possible gaps, we still use issue tracking to get resolution of model changes

15:53:41 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:54:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: we are using the issue 37 page to help compare for completeness and good examples, we already have some placeholders for other issues (new or proposal)

John Arwe: we are using the ISSUE-37 page to help compare for completeness and good examples, we already have some placeholders for other issues (new or proposal)

15:54:11 <JohnArwe> q?

John Arwe: q?

15:54:59 <SteveS> Arnaud: we need to review the feedback, like Ashok's, and ask if it can be allowed in the spec or not

Arnaud Le Hors: we need to review the feedback, like Ashok's, and ask if it can be allowed in the spec or not

15:55:42 <SteveS> JohnArwe: there isn't a binary choice on some of the questions, like it could be allows, explicitly forbidden, allowed in cases, or other cases

John Arwe: there isn't a binary choice on some of the questions, like it could be allows, explicitly forbidden, allowed in cases, or other cases

15:56:17 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:56:33 <SteveS> JohnArwe: hard to know when we intentionally are silent

John Arwe: hard to know when we intentionally are silent

15:57:15 <MacTed> apologies, all; I have a hard stop at 11 today.

Ted Thibodeau: apologies, all; I have a hard stop at 11 today.

15:57:21 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:57:27 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:57:48 <SteveS> Arnaud: what did you (JohnArwe) mean by alternatives in the issue 37 wiki page?

Arnaud Le Hors: what did you (JohnArwe) mean by alternatives in the ISSUE-37 wiki page?

15:58:12 <sandro> sandro: the model is also important as a metaphor, which helps people understand it, and it gives people ideas/expectations about how it's going to work.    the filesystem is at this point a metaphor based on a metaphor.

Sandro Hawke: the model is also important as a metaphor, which helps people understand it, and it gives people ideas/expectations about how it's going to work. the filesystem is at this point a metaphor based on a metaphor. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:58:28 <SteveS> JohnArwe: mostly just alternative ways to describe it and how it could be done/used

John Arwe: mostly just alternative ways to describe it and how it could be done/used

15:59:14 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:59:25 <SteveS> Arnaud: progrèss on ISSUE-37, SteveS proposed give people some time to review

Arnaud Le Hors: progrèss on ISSUE-37, SteveS proposed give people some time to review

15:59:29 <bblfish> 1q+

Henry Story: 1q+

15:59:31 <bblfish> 1+

Henry Story: 1+

15:59:32 <SteveS> by Jan 21?

by Jan 21?

15:59:33 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

16:00:00 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

16:00:17 <SteveS> 21st is MLKjr day, some have off

21st is MLKjr day, some have off

16:00:25 <stevebattle> We should also add comparison criteria

Steve Battle: We should also add comparison criteria

16:00:36 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

16:00:43 <SteveS> bblfish: plans to have new addition filesystem by next meeting

Henry Story: plans to have new addition filesystem by next meeting

16:00:48 <stevebattle> (as per ericP's coments last week)

Steve Battle: (as per ericP's comments last week)

16:01:06 <stevebattle> s/coments/comments/
16:01:35 <SteveS> Arnaud have review by 28th

Arnaud have review by 28th

16:01:40 <SteveS> meeting is closed

meeting is closed

16:01:41 <stevebattle> bye

Steve Battle: bye

16:01:47 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

16:01:48 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

16:01:54 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

16:01:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:01:59 <Zakim> -roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -roger

16:02:01 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

16:02:01 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

16:02:02 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle

16:02:02 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:02:08 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:02:11 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

16:02:25 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

16:02:26 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

16:02:26 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveBattle, Ruben, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed, SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, krp, AndyS, cygri, nmihindu, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveBattle, Ruben, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed, SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, krp, AndyS, cygri, nmihindu, ericP

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