Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 October 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Antonis Loizou, Arnaud Le Hors, Arthur Keen, Bart van Leeuwen, Henry Story, Jacek Kopecky, John Arwe, Kalpa Gunaratna, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Olivier Berger, Raúl García Castro, Roger Menday, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Yrjana Rankka
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Kalpa Gunaratna
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13:57:23 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-ldp-irc

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13:57:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:57:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:57:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

13:57:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:28 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2012
13:58:30 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

13:58:37 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

13:58:48 <Zakim> + +1.408.996.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.996.aaaa

13:58:57 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is me

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, aaaa is me

13:58:57 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud; got it

13:58:59 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

13:59:03 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

13:59:51 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

13:59:55 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

13:59:56 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aabb

13:59:59 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:00:04 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:00:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, ??P2, ??P7, +44.117.370.aabb, ??P0, ??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, ??P2, ??P7, +44.117.370.aabb, ??P0, ??P4

14:00:04 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:00:09 <nmihindu> zakim, P2 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, P2 is me

14:00:09 <Zakim> sorry, nmihindu, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, nmihindu, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'

14:00:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

14:00:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:00:25 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

14:00:25 <stevebattle> zakim, +44.117.370.aabb is me

Steve Battle: zakim, +44.117.370.aabb is me

14:00:25 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle; got it

14:00:30 <svillata> Zakim, ??P7 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P7 is me

14:00:30 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:00:46 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:01:00 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P0 is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P0 is me

14:01:00 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it

14:01:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P2 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P2 is me

14:01:10 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:01:26 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:01:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia

14:01:28 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

14:01:37 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.433.aacc

14:01:37 <ghard> zakim, ??P11 is me

Yrjana Rankka: zakim, ??P11 is me

14:01:39 <Zakim> +ghard; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it

14:02:13 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

14:02:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p5 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p5 is me

14:02:17 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:02:35 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, +1.845.433.aacc, BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, +1.845.433.aacc, BartvanLeeuwen

14:02:40 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aadd

14:03:04 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16

14:03:20 <rogerm> rogermenday is on the call

Roger Menday: rogermenday is on the call

14:03:23 <JohnArwe> zakim, aacc is me

John Arwe: zakim, aacc is me

14:03:23 <Zakim> +JohnArwe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe; got it

14:03:23 <antonis> zakim, ??p16 is me

Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??p16 is me

14:03:24 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it

14:04:01 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, antonis

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, antonis

14:04:07 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:04:13 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P17 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P17 is me

14:04:13 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jkopecky; got it

14:04:18 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:04:53 <JohnArwe> zakim, aadd is bblfish

John Arwe: zakim, aadd is bblfish

14:04:53 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it

14:05:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish

14:05:23 <bblfish> oh two bblfishes?

Henry Story: oh two bblfishes?

14:05:42 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aaee

14:05:45 <bblfish> on the phone, that seems odd

Henry Story: on the phone, that seems odd

14:05:49 <Zakim> +ArthurK

Zakim IRC Bot: +ArthurK

14:05:51 <Zakim> -ArthurK

Zakim IRC Bot: -ArthurK

14:05:58 <Kalpa> zakim, aaee is me

Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aaee is me

14:05:58 <Zakim> +Kalpa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa; got it

14:05:59 <bblfish> zakim, who's on the phone?

Henry Story: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa

14:06:11 <JohnArwe> henry, IRC show a + and then a - bblfish just a few lines back ... seems like a transient

John Arwe: henry, IRC show a + and then a - bblfish just a few lines back ... seems like a transient

14:06:36 <JohnArwe> * but steve you have 2 ears

John Arwe: * but steve you have 2 ears

14:06:44 <Zakim> +ArthurK

Zakim IRC Bot: +ArthurK

14:08:50 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

14:09:06 <oberger> Zakim, ??P20 is me

Olivier Berger: Zakim, ??P20 is me

14:09:06 <Zakim> +oberger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it

14:09:13 <oberger> sorry a bit late

Olivier Berger: sorry a bit late

14:11:49 <ghard> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

Yrjana Rankka: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

14:12:03 <oberger> who's the scribe, then ?

Olivier Berger: who's the scribe, then ?

14:12:59 <stevebattle> Scribe: Kalpa

(Scribe set to Kalpa Gunaratna)

14:13:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:13:05 <oberger> Minutes from last meeting

Olivier Berger: Minutes from last meeting

14:13:14 <Kalpa> approving the minutes from the last week

approving the minutes from the last week

14:13:14 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

14:13:14 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:13:18 <oberger> good luck Kalpa ;-)

Olivier Berger: good luck Kalpa ;-)

14:13:27 <bblfish>  Approved: Minutes from Oct 1st

Henry Story: Approved: Minutes from Oct 1st

14:13:28 <Kalpa> last week's minutes (Oct 1st) approved

last week's minutes (Oct 1st) approved

14:13:31 <SteveS> +1 for approving Oct 1st

Steve Speicher: +1 for approving Oct 1st

14:13:57 <oberger> and they say we don't work in France ;)

Olivier Berger: and they say we don't work in France ;)

14:14:46 <Kalpa> registering for FacetoFace meeting and please register for the event

registering for FacetoFace meeting and please register for the event

14:14:54 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:15:08 <Kalpa> deadline to get discount is Oct 16th

deadline to get discount is Oct 16th

14:15:31 <Kalpa> moving onto actions list.

moving onto actions list.

14:15:35 <SteveS> See http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#fees for deadline and fee details

Steve Speicher: See http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#fees for deadline and fee details

14:16:42 <oberger> I think I saw some mention of SDShare from Mhausenblas

Olivier Berger: I think I saw some mention of SDShare from Mhausenblas

14:17:11 <oberger> do we need a twitter account to syndicate or is #ldp enough ?

Olivier Berger: do we need a twitter account to syndicate or is #ldp enough ?

14:18:06 <SteveS> Proposed W3C Community Group for SDshare http://www.w3.org/community/blog/2012/10/05/proposed-group-sdshare-community-group/

Steve Speicher: Proposed W3C Community Group for SDshare http://www.w3.org/community/blog/2012/10/05/proposed-group-sdshare-community-group/

14:18:15 <oberger> (Mhausenblas proposal for stepping down from editor's role)

Olivier Berger: (Mhausenblas proposal for stepping down from editor's role)

14:18:59 <Kalpa> oberger: Mhausenblas request to step down from editor's role

Olivier Berger: Mhausenblas request to step down from editor's role

14:19:03 <oberger> ^ to b discussed later

Olivier Berger: ^ to b discussed later

14:19:36 <JohnArwe> kalpa, WG home page has a link near bottom under ...Resources to common scribe manual if you want to read up on the tools ... pts to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual

John Arwe: kalpa, WG home page has a link near bottom under ...Resources to common scribe manual if you want to read up on the tools ... pts to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual

14:20:00 <bblfish> Issue-9?

Henry Story: ISSUE-9?

14:20:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-9 -- Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? -- raised

14:20:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/9

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/9

14:20:22 <SteveS> Topic: discussing pending issues and transitioning to open

1. discussing pending issues and transitioning to open

14:20:51 <SteveS> +1 ISSUE-9 to open

Steve Speicher: +1 ISSUE-9 to open

14:21:07 <bblfish> +1 good points. The vocabulary is too strict here

Henry Story: +1 good points. The vocabulary is too strict here

14:21:59 <Kalpa> moving onto discuss about issues. follow the link http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues

moving onto discuss about issues. follow the link http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues

14:22:09 <bblfish> Issue-9 open

Henry Story: ISSUE-9 open

14:22:14 <bblfish> open Issue-9

Henry Story: open ISSUE-9

14:22:36 <Kalpa> no objections to open issue 9

no objections to open ISSUE-9

14:22:56 <JohnArwe> trackbot, open issue-9

John Arwe: trackbot, open ISSUE-9

14:22:56 <trackbot> Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot, open issue-9'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot, open ISSUE-9'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

14:23:33 <Arnaud> issue-9 open

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-9 open

14:24:03 <bblfish> open ISSUE-9

Henry Story: open ISSUE-9

14:24:03 <oberger> the docs don't seem to mention opening them in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

Olivier Berger: the docs don't seem to mention opening them in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

14:24:11 <bblfish> reopen ISSUE-9

Henry Story: reopen ISSUE-9

14:24:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-9 Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? re-opened

14:24:24 <bblfish> Issue-10?

Henry Story: ISSUE-10?

14:24:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Include clarifications and guidance around ETags -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Include clarifications and guidance around ETags -- raised

14:24:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/10

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/10

14:24:49 <Kalpa> discussing issue 10, no objects to open issue 10

discussing ISSUE-10, no objects to open ISSUE-10

14:24:50 <stevebattle> +1 important to distinguish between strong and weak etags

Steve Battle: +1 important to distinguish between strong and weak etags

14:24:57 <bblfish> Issue-11?

Henry Story: ISSUE-11?

14:24:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? -- raised

14:24:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/11

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/11

14:25:57 <oberger> +1 for the MAY

Olivier Berger: +1 for the MAY

14:26:04 <Kalpa> no objects to open issue 11 and opening issue 11

no objects to open ISSUE-11 and opening ISSUE-11

14:26:05 <SteveS> open ISSUE-11

Steve Speicher: open ISSUE-11

14:26:18 <bblfish> reopen Issue-11

Henry Story: reopen ISSUE-11

14:26:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? re-opened

14:26:32 <bblfish> Issue-12?

Henry Story: ISSUE-12?

14:26:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- raised

14:26:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12

14:26:38 <bblfish> wait too quickly?

Henry Story: wait too quickly?

14:26:47 <Kalpa> opening issue 12 and moving to issue 13

opening ISSUE-12 and moving to ISSUE-13

14:27:10 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-10

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-10

14:27:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 Include clarifications and guidance around ETags re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 Include clarifications and guidance around ETags re-opened

14:27:17 <bblfish> Issue-13?

Henry Story: ISSUE-13?

14:27:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples -- raised

14:27:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/13

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/13

14:27:17 <stevebattle> +1 interesting I have UC examples of resources being created as side effect of patch

Steve Battle: +1 interesting I have UC examples of resources being created as side effect of patch

14:27:52 <Kalpa> opening issue 13

opening ISSUE-13

14:27:57 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-12

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-12

14:27:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? re-opened

14:28:06 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-13

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-13

14:28:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples re-opened

14:28:09 <bblfish> Issue-14?

Henry Story: ISSUE-14?

14:28:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations -- raised

14:28:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/14

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/14

14:29:22 <stevebattle> How are different ordering affordances defined?

Steve Battle: How are different ordering affordances defined?

14:29:38 <JohnArwe> it is the *representation* that is ordered, not the triples themselves

John Arwe: it is the *representation* that is ordered, not the triples themselves

14:31:05 <stevebattle> I guess if you want a semantic ordering you use a List

Steve Battle: I guess if you want a semantic ordering you use a List

14:32:11 <oberger> need a use case

Olivier Berger: need a use case

14:32:21 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:32:24 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-14

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-14

14:32:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations re-opened

14:32:32 <Kalpa> opening issue 14 for now and sicuss further later

opening ISSUE-14 for now and sicuss further later

14:32:40 <bblfish> Issue-15?

Henry Story: ISSUE-15?

14:32:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- raised

14:32:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15

14:32:50 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:32:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa, ArthurK, oberger,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa, ArthurK, oberger,

14:32:53 <Zakim> ... AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: ... AndyS

14:33:30 <stevebattle> Does issue-15 relate to the use of wrds:describedby?

Steve Battle: Does ISSUE-15 relate to the use of wrds:describedby?

14:33:42 <Kalpa> issue 15 - what is a resource.

ISSUE-15 - what is a resource.

14:33:50 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-15

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-15

14:33:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 sharing binary resources and metadata re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-15 sharing binary resources and metadata re-opened

14:33:58 <Kalpa> Arnaud: any disagreements for opening issue 15?

Arnaud Le Hors: any disagreements for opening ISSUE-15?

14:34:07 <Kalpa> no objects and opening issue 15

no objects and opening ISSUE-15

14:35:00 <bblfish> Issue-15?

Henry Story: ISSUE-15?

14:35:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- open

14:35:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15

14:35:08 <Kalpa> opening issue 16

opening ISSUE-16

14:35:13 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-16

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-16

14:35:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-16 Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs re-opened

14:35:23 <bblfish> Issue-16?

Henry Story: ISSUE-16?

14:35:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 -- Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-16 -- Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs -- open

14:35:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/16

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/16

14:35:30 <bblfish> Issue-17?

Henry Story: ISSUE-17?

14:35:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- changesets as a recommended PATCH format -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-17 -- changesets as a recommended PATCH format -- raised

14:35:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/17

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/17

14:35:43 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

14:35:54 <Zakim> -ArthurK

Zakim IRC Bot: -ArthurK

14:35:56 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:36:08 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1

14:36:34 <bblfish> Essentially one would want to take SPARQL update and turn it into a PATCH

Henry Story: Essentially one would want to take SPARQL update and turn it into a PATCH

14:36:38 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-17

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-17

14:36:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 changesets as a recommended PATCH format re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-17 changesets as a recommended PATCH format re-opened

14:36:39 <Kalpa> Arnaud: is http patch in issue 17 is the same as from raul?

Arnaud Le Hors: is http patch in ISSUE-17 is the same as from raul?

14:36:39 <bblfish> no?

Henry Story: no?

14:36:43 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

14:36:51 <bblfish> Issue-18?

Henry Story: ISSUE-18?

14:36:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- container membership and robust pagination -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-18 -- container membership and robust pagination -- raised

14:36:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/18

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/18

14:36:57 <Kalpa> issue 17 is a different issue and opening issue 17

ISSUE-17 is a different issue and opening ISSUE-17

14:37:48 <AndyS> Why not status code 501?

Andy Seaborne: Why not status code 501?

14:41:22 <AndyS> In the LDA, the response has response metadata e.g. #pages. so you can go to last.

Andy Seaborne: In the LDA, the response has response metadata e.g. #pages. so you can go to last.

14:41:46 <Kalpa> opening issue 18

opening ISSUE-18

14:41:47 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-18

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-18

14:41:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 container membership and robust pagination re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-18 container membership and robust pagination re-opened

14:41:56 <bblfish> Opening Issue-18 but not a big issue because URLs are in fact opaque. Should be easy to close

Henry Story: Opening ISSUE-18 but not a big issue because URLs are in fact opaque. Should be easy to close

14:42:03 <bblfish> Issue-19?

Henry Story: ISSUE-19?

14:42:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Adressing more error cases -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-19 -- Adressing more error cases -- raised

14:42:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/19

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/19

14:42:17 <oberger> can't seem to unmute

Olivier Berger: can't seem to unmute

14:42:53 <AndyS> zakim, unmute oberger

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute oberger

14:42:53 <Zakim> oberger was not muted, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: oberger was not muted, AndyS

14:42:53 <Kalpa> Arnaud: issue 19 is important and there is not many links in the issue page

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-19 is important and there is not many links in the issue page

14:43:20 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

14:43:52 <Kalpa> enough discussion in the mailing list and hence propose to open the issue 19

enough discussion in the mailing list and hence propose to open the ISSUE-19

14:44:04 <Kalpa> no objects and opening issue 19

no objects and opening ISSUE-19

14:44:05 <JohnArwe> thread 10/1-10/3 about 8 emails

John Arwe: thread 10/1-10/3 about 8 emails

14:44:06 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-19

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-19

14:44:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 Adressing more error cases re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-19 Adressing more error cases re-opened

14:44:13 <bblfish> Issue-20?

Henry Story: ISSUE-20?

14:44:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- raised

14:44:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20

14:44:28 <JohnArwe> ...did not have issue # so nothing for tracker to latch onto

John Arwe: ...did not have issue # so nothing for tracker to latch onto

14:45:25 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:46:19 <bblfish> <>

Henry Story: <>

14:46:29 <bblfish> <> <#me>

Henry Story: <> <#me>

14:47:09 <oberger> <_POSTED_> ?

Olivier Berger: <_POSTED_> ?

14:47:23 <jkopecky> q? to ask if that's allowed

Jacek Kopecky: q? to ask if that's allowed

14:47:24 <SteveS> seems fine for RDF docs, what about if I want to name a non-RDF resource such as steve_profile.gif?

Steve Speicher: seems fine for RDF docs, what about if I want to name a non-RDF resource such as steve_profile.gif?

14:47:37 <jkopecky> q+ to ask if that's allowed

Jacek Kopecky: q+ to ask if that's allowed

14:47:46 <AndyS> It's the target of the request - ie. the HTTP container.

Andy Seaborne: It's the target of the request - ie. the HTTP container.

14:48:02 <jkopecky> q-

Jacek Kopecky: q-

14:48:15 <AndyS> but "willful violation" may be the right approach.

Andy Seaborne: but "willful violation" may be the right approach.

14:48:19 <bblfish> ok.

Henry Story: ok.

14:48:25 <bblfish> I'have to go early now.

Henry Story: I'have to go early now.

14:48:29 <bblfish> sorry

Henry Story: sorry

14:48:35 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

14:48:49 <Kalpa> opening issue 20

opening ISSUE-20

14:49:53 <Kalpa> opening issue 21

opening ISSUE-21

14:49:53 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-20

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-20

14:49:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 Identifying and naming POSTed resources re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-20 Identifying and naming POSTed resources re-opened

14:49:59 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-21

Steve Speicher: reopen ISSUE-21

14:49:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 container affordances re-opened

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-21 container affordances re-opened

14:50:37 <stevebattle> not comfortable with 'willfull vioation' !

Steve Battle: not comfortable with 'willfull violation' !

14:51:31 <AndyS> Base URI determination -- RFC 3986 section 5.1

Andy Seaborne: Base URI determination -- RFC 3986 section 5.1

14:51:32 <stevebattle> s/vioation/violation/
<Arnaud> topic: Specification

2. Specification

14:52:14 <Kalpa> Arnaud: today is the deadline to raise issues. If you find an issue you can and should still raise it but we may not have time to process it before publication and it will be at the editors' discretion whether they appear in the draft or not. Editors will annotate the draft with all open issues as of today.

Arnaud Le Hors: today is the deadline to raise issues. If you find an issue you can and should still raise it but we may not have time to process it before publication and it will be at the editors' discretion whether they appear in the draft or not. Editors will annotate the draft with all open issues as of today.

<Arnaud> Arnaud: Spec editors we are on track to have the spec in two weeks?

Arnaud Le Hors: Spec editors we are on track to have the spec in two weeks? [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> SteveS: yes

Steve Speicher: yes [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

14:52:33 <oberger> again, what do we do with mhausenblas' editor chair ?

Olivier Berger: again, what do we do with mhausenblas' editor chair ?

14:52:41 <AndyS> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-5.1

Andy Seaborne: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-5.1

14:53:02 <rgarcia> I sent an email about rewriting improvements, it is not a "serious issue" but I would take in into account

Raúl García Castro: I sent an email about rewriting improvements, it is not a "serious issue" but I would take in into account

14:53:33 <oberger> ah, my bad

Olivier Berger: ah, my bad

14:53:47 <oberger> mhausenblas only stepped down from use case

Olivier Berger: mhausenblas only stepped down from use case

14:53:55 <Kalpa> Topic: usecase and requirements

3. usecase and requirements

14:53:56 <Zakim> -??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P7

<Arnaud> stevebattle: done with the initial pass

Steve Battle: done with the initial pass [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

14:54:25 <Kalpa> people need to review the document for mistakes

people need to review the document for mistakes

14:55:46 <Kalpa> 2 weeks for reviewing documents

2 weeks for reviewing documents

14:55:55 <oberger> and raising issues

Olivier Berger: and raising issues

<Arnaud> Arnaud: we will go through a process similar to what we are doing for the spec, people should raise issues they find and we will decide what to do with them

Arnaud Le Hors: we will go through a process similar to what we are doing for the spec, people should raise issues they find and we will decide what to do with them [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> Arnaud: Regarding Michael stepping down as editor I believe we discussed this last week and you're ok with that for now?

Arnaud Le Hors: Regarding Michael stepping down as editor I believe we discussed this last week and you're ok with that for now? [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> stevebattle: yes

Steve Battle: yes [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> Arnaud: Ok, if you ever need help just let us know and we'll see to get someone else to help

Arnaud Le Hors: Ok, if you ever need help just let us know and we'll see to get someone else to help [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> topic: Issue-8 Specification Name

4. ISSUE-8 Specification Name

14:56:29 <Kalpa> Arnaud: we ended last week's call discussing the issue with the name of the specification

Arnaud Le Hors: we ended last week's call discussing the issue with the name of the specification

14:56:39 <oberger> back to Issue-8

Olivier Berger: back to ISSUE-8

<Arnaud> Arnaud: we really should resolve this before we publish our first draft, while several names have been proposed, I think we should stick with either the name of the member submission or the wg

Arnaud Le Hors: we really should resolve this before we publish our first draft, while several names have been proposed, I think we should stick with either the name of the member submission or the wg [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

14:56:55 <Kalpa> ... linked data profile or linked data platform

... linked data profile or linked data platform

14:57:15 <stevebattle> 'linked data platform' is my choice

Steve Battle: 'linked data platform' is my choice

14:57:22 <oberger> let's get drunk in Lyon and decide

Olivier Berger: let's get drunk in Lyon and decide

14:57:34 <SteveS> my proposal, which many seemed happy with last week, is 'Linked Data Platform"�'

Steve Speicher: my proposal, which many seemed happy with last week, is 'Linked Data Platform"�'

14:57:37 <rgarcia> My vote:

Raúl García Castro: My vote:

14:57:37 <rgarcia> Linked Data Platform Resource + Linked Data Platform Container (LDP Resource + LDP Container)

Raúl García Castro: Linked Data Platform Resource + Linked Data Platform Container (LDP Resource + LDP Container)

14:57:51 <oberger> damn it

Olivier Berger: damn it

14:58:35 <ghard> LOL

Yrjana Rankka: LOL

14:59:40 <stevebattle> +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container

Steve Battle: +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container

14:59:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 LDP Resource + Container

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 LDP Resource + Container

14:59:58 <Arnaud> strawpoll: use the name: linked data platform

STRAWPOLL: use the name: linked data platform

15:00:09 <oberger> +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container

Olivier Berger: +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container

15:00:20 <svillata> +1 LDP Resource + Container

Serena Villata: +1 LDP Resource + Container

15:00:33 <SteveS> +1 for LDP = Linked Data Platform

Steve Speicher: +1 for LDP = Linked Data Platform

15:00:43 <jkopecky> how about Linked Data Platform Specification (rather than just LD Platform)

Jacek Kopecky: how about Linked Data Platform Specification (rather than just LD Platform)

15:00:47 <SteveS> and LDP is the name of the spec

Steve Speicher: and LDP is the name of the spec

15:00:54 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:01:03 <jkopecky> LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification

Jacek Kopecky: LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification

15:01:08 <stevebattle> Whatever Arnaud says.

Steve Battle: Whatever Arnaud says.

15:02:12 <jkopecky> LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification

Jacek Kopecky: LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification

15:02:24 <Zakim>  -bblfish.a

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish.a

15:02:36 <rgarcia> An W3C recommendation is synonym to specification

Raúl García Castro: An W3C recommendation is synonym to specification

15:02:41 <SteveS> Proposal: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP

PROPOSED: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP

15:02:47 <oberger> Issue-8 pending review ?

Olivier Berger: ISSUE-8 pending review ?

15:03:10 <Kalpa> Arnaud: issue 8 is tentatively resolved, pending review, we will need to resolve it next week.

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-8 is tentatively resolved, pending review, we will need to resolve it next week.

15:03:15 <jkopecky> raul, yes, but "W3C Recommendation" is a subtitle, so that's why I'd like to have "Spec" in the title there

Jacek Kopecky: raul, yes, but "W3C Recommendation" is a subtitle, so that's why I'd like to have "Spec" in the title there

15:03:42 <rgarcia> OK, can live with that. :)

Raúl García Castro: OK, can live with that. :)

15:03:55 <oberger> and let's get drunk in Lyon anyway ;)

Olivier Berger: and let's get drunk in Lyon anyway ;)

15:04:02 <jkopecky> do enjoy 8-)

Jacek Kopecky: do enjoy 8-)

<Arnaud> steves: will wait for final resolution to update the draft

Steve Speicher: will wait for final resolution to update the draft [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

15:04:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

15:04:27 <ghard> Cheers

Yrjana Rankka: Cheers

15:04:33 <oberger> bye

Olivier Berger: bye

15:04:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye

Bart van Leeuwen: bye

15:04:38 <svillata> bye

Serena Villata: bye

15:04:39 <Zakim> -oberger

Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger

15:04:39 <antonis> cheers- bye

Antonis Loizou: cheers- bye

15:04:40 <Zakim> -ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: -ghard

15:04:41 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:04:42 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:04:42 <Zakim> -jkopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: -jkopecky

15:04:43 <Zakim> -rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia

15:04:43 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:04:44 <Zakim> -stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle

15:04:45 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

15:04:48 <Zakim> -antonis

Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis

15:04:49 <Arnaud> meeting adjourned

Arnaud Le Hors: meeting adjourned

15:04:50 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

15:04:52 <Zakim> -Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: -Kalpa

15:04:54 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

15:04:56 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:04:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, Arnaud, SteveS, stevebattle, svillata, rgarcia, nmihindu, +1.845.433.aacc, ghard, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, JohnArwe, antonis, jkopecky,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, Arnaud, SteveS, stevebattle, svillata, rgarcia, nmihindu, +1.845.433.aacc, ghard, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, JohnArwe, antonis, jkopecky,

15:05:01 <Zakim> ... bblfish, +1.937.775.aaee, ArthurK, Kalpa, oberger, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, +1.937.775.aaee, ArthurK, Kalpa, oberger, AndyS



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