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<trackbot> Date: 16 August 2012
<kford> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 16 August 2012
Kelly: published another editor's draft earlier this week, discussion on putting out another working draft -- any objections
<kford> Resolved: Group agrees to publish another working draft.
<kford> No new proposals.
Kelly: why don't we spend a couple minutes working on it
Greg: resize and reposition -- it's primarily about people with visual impairments, correct? people affected would be people who might need to change the text to make it easier to read, reduce the amount of distance between the video and the alternative in order to avoid having to shift gaze too much
Jan: it's primarily for people with low vision who simply needs those things to be bigger in situations where the built-in magnifications can't handle it
Greg: also repositioning
Jeanne: if you have to resize the
... I think we had to do above below left right to not cover the video
... some people just want larger captions, but once you get larger and larger you cover up more of the video space
<Greg> The intent of this success criterion is to allow users to adjust the size of captions, sign language, and other visual alternatives so they are large enough to be a comfortable reading size, and in most cases to allow them to do so without obscuring the primary media.
<Greg> The intent of this success criterion is to allow users to adjust the size of captions, sign language, and other visual alternatives so they are large enough to be a comfortable reading size, without obscuring the primary media.
Jan: we should have something in
that addresses the distance to gaze -- if text of the top you
want the captions near the top so they can be closer
... the intent of the B condition. People need flexibility to position the captions in different places because the information content in the video can be in different places -- can be waiting at the top or the bottom and usually you are going to want the captions position to limit the amount of gaze back and forth
Greg: if the video were at the top of the window and the captions way down at the status bar that would be suboptimal you want the text in close proximity
Jan: they need to be above, below
to the right to the last overlapping because videos differ, and
you're trying to watch the video and see the captions that are
conveying the audio material, but you don't want to miss the
visual material. So if the video you're watching has a lot of
on-screen text and it appears at the top of the screen -- want
the captions at the top of the screen to see...
... you can read both equally, same with the bottom so once again they are close together
<Greg> Users may reposition the alternative so they can be placed in close proximity to the most important portion of the main media, to make it easier to watch both at the same time.
Kelly: but if we say it's also the intent of this success criteria to allow users to configure video and alternative displays for the easiest readability possible
<Jan> The intent of the repositioning requirement is for users to have the flexibility to place captions in various posityions depending on the visual content of the video window...
<Jan> For example if the video frequently includes on-screen text near the top of the video then the captions will be easier to read if they are located above the video.
Jan: I like Greg's for the first line in my example on the end of it
Greg: then we can repeat the example as a real example
<Greg> Users may reposition the alternative so they can be placed in close proximity to the most important portion of the main media, to make it easier to watch both at the same time. For example if the video frequently includes on-screen text near the top of the video then the captions will be easier to read if they are located above the video.
<Greg> Depending on what he's watching, Maximilian will adjust the position of his captions. When he's watching a sporting even with a dashboard displaying statistics at the top, he positions the captions immediately above the top so the captions are close to the statistics.
<Greg> Maximilian will adjust the position of his captions depending on what he's watching. When watching a sporting event with a dashboard displaying statistics at the top, he positions the captions immediately above the top so the captions are close to the statistics.
<Jan> However, when he watches a movie, he typically positions the captions so that they overlap the video frame near the bottom.
<Greg> When he's watching financial news with a stock ticker along the bottom, he moves the captions to be immediately below the ticker.
Jeanne: maybe we can use Jim as an example
changing the orientation of a video, where you are watching it on an iphone
<Greg> When Tom is watching narrow-aspect video on a wides-aspect screen, he moves the window displaying sign language interpretation to the side, allowing the primary video to take up the entire height of the screen without the interpretation getting in the way.
Jim: I tested on Netflix -- doesn't have the option of putting them on the side, even when I went to the portrait view the video narrowed, the captions remain at the bottom
Greg: including something about rotating the display on a mobile device would make sense
Jim: do we want the browsers to do that or the hardware
Greg: we want the browsers to allow the users to move it regardless of any automatic -- you don't want to guess wrong as to what the user wants
Jeanne: particularly users with limited mobility who may be only able to hold the tablet with one hand
<Greg> Raymond only has one hand, so he positions thec captions so that they're not covered by the hand he's using to hold his tablet.
<Greg> (Thanks, Jeanne)
<Greg> Raymond only has one hand, so he positions captions so they're not covered by the hand he's using to hold his tablet.
Greg: any other examples alternate media
Discussion about what to use to indicate there are no resources at this point
Decided to use NA
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to replace To be written in Related Resources to N/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-755 - Replace To be written in Related Resources to N/A [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-08-23].
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to ask what should the term be when there are no related resources.
<jeanne> PF comments -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/wai-liaison/2012Aug/0003.html
Jeanne: accessibility from the user point of view could be an issue. If people could take a look at sometime this week we can pull them together and take a look in more detail next week
<kford> kford will send mail on this one.
<kford> This is on me, not quite done, should be sending to the list shortly.
<jeanne> the July 31 email -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JulSep/0032.html
<kford> Jeanne will send updated list to the list when she has addressed work from last week.
Jeanne: location in hierarchy and configuring elements for structural navigation -- had discussion but wanted to wait for Simon before we finished it action items 500, 545 and issue 87
Simon: reading it... was Greg
going to do something on this
... if we want to go on I can piece this together
Jeanne: only thing left on the list is the big issue of global conformance. Other people who have opinions on that -- need to get some background before we start on that
Kelly: next steps, publishing working draft, Simon, others sent to list
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