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HTML Weekly Teleconference

12 Jul 2012

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
glenn, yang, Sam, Janina, eliot, [Microsoft], paulc, Radhika_Roy, ddorwin, Laura_Carlson, mjs, krisk, hober, adrianba, frankolivier, +1.818.370.aaaa, MIke, +1.415.832.aabb
Regrets
Chair
mjs
Scribe
glenn

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 12 July 2012

mjs: i already started trackbot

<scribe> ScribeNick: glenn

ACTION items due by Thursday, July 12

ACTION-217?

<trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217

mjs: one item ACTION-217
... Ted and Frank are working this, SF has commented proposing his own

<paulc> Steve's proposal is at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hitregions

<paulc> This is a revision to Ted's proposal

hober: some outstanding feedback from SF and Rich which might result in some changes
... but thinks it is stable

paulc: SF submitted comments/changes to Ted's proposal
... operative question is that others need to review SF's counter proposal

mjs: may need to go to survey, but two proposals are much closer now

<paulc> Status of ISSUE-201: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201

close ACTION-217

<trackbot> ACTION-217 Create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) closed

paulc: should there be new action on Ted to review?

mjs: thinks ML thread is sufficient

janina: heard from rich will post soon

<paulc> Active discussion at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0064.html

janina: nobody is disagreeing, sounds more like clarification discussion

mjs: still should be able to reach consensus
... continue discussion on ML

New Issues This Week

none

mjs: one tracker request
... to be LC2 comment

Items closed Last Week

ISSUE-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

ISSUE-200?

<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200

mjs: both calls have closed

Issues Closing This Week

none

Items Closing Next Week

ISSUE-199?

<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199

mjs: CfC active, revisions to CPs, consensus proposal present

New Calls This Week

ISSUE-199?

<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199

New Surveys This Week

ISSUE-200?

<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200

ISSUE-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

mjs: Julian raised issue that IETF desires further discussion, will check with Philippe
... may put survey on hold, but should still provide input

paulc: plh says go ahead with survey
... will respond on ML on this thread

Decisions This Week

none

Task Force Reports

[1] Testing Task Force

kris: good morning, didn't meet last week will meet next week

<krisk> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Upcoming_meetings

kris: schedule has been extended and posted on wiki
... had discussed spec change about pattern repeat, opened bug sent to list

<krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0065.html

kris: will have to see what consensus develops
... q/c?

yang: what day is testing call?

<krisk> Please see http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing

kris: see above link

yang: ok

<paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Conference_Calls

[2] Accessibility Task Force

janina: not a lot to report
... people have continued working on their tasks
... lack of quorum in last call
... progress, but slower than usual
... chairs are aware of status changes on ISSUE-194, etc
... and on ISSUE-201, nothing to add on what's been said
... strongly opposed to moving ISSUE-203 forward before resolving ISSUE-30

[that is the TF is opposed]

mjs: yang is on queue

yang: noticed on ML that may decide on 3 options on ISSUE-194

<paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194

yang: will we discuss on this call?

janina: can do if folks like

paulc: chairs are preparing a survey on three options

yang: a new survey?

paulc: [explains process]

yang: another question
... for ??? detection ???

[scribe: did not follow question]

paulc: question is about hit testing and whether it is related to accessibility

<paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201

paulc: see ISSUE-201
... [explains process about task forces]
... answer is yes, it is an accessibility related issue
... as are many other issues on status page posted above

Other Business

ISSUE-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

mjs: CP was revised as requested by chairs, now have gone to survey
... some questions about IETF coordination, but will proceed

ISSUE-201?

<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201

mjs: two proposals now with slightly different variants
... from hober and SF
... q/c?

ISSUE-204?

<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

mjs: seems to have material differences in CPs

hober: JF and I went back and forth on this
... have gotten closer, hope to find compromise wording
... a little more work to get agreement with JF

janina: would be happiest if we can reach consensus on language
... not sure how to move in that direction, would be good if hober can move this
... great concern is there are large # of disabled users not using screen readers
... problems with tab approach
... probably not meeting all use cases

<laura> "Every good-faith effort has been made here, and if at this time you and Jonas are still unprepared to endorse the V4 CP, then I will ask the Accessibility Task Force for their endorsement of the V4 CP and ask that the Chairs proceed with a WBS survey on Issue 204." - John Foliot, June 29.

<laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0176.html

mjs: yang on queue

yang: why does ARIA need to see hidden element?
... worried about breaking service logic

<yang> why let ARIA see the hidden, it will ruin the JS dynamic service logic

hober: thinks what yang is asking is whether elements that are hidden, with visibility toggled from script
... shouldn't pose a problem for ARIA attributes
... should be OK

yang: if disabled users use ARIA, then they can see hidden elements?
... does ARIA differentiate between hidden and not hidden?

<yang> can user see the difference by aria for hidden and not-hidden?

mjs: suggests taking this discussion offline
... or discuss on ML

<paulc> Yang could also attend the A11Y TF meeting

yang: ok

Using ARIA in HTML

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0165.html

<yang> any A11Y TF conference call information?

mjs: any q/c about this document (Using ARIA in HTML)?

glenn: what is intended purpose of this doc? for info only?

paulc: intent is to fill in gaps, more readable
... less jargon

<paulc> From 0165.html: "My intention is to provide a non normative resource that fills in the gaps in the current HTML5 specification and a document that is more readable (i.e. less jargonist)"

glenn: thanks, yes

paulc: points out that it does deviate from HTML5

glenn: do we need further action by WG?

paulc: at present, author is requesting feedback
... no specific actions for WG at this time
... there is a bugzilla component for this...

<paulc> Bugzilla component and link: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=Using%20ARIA%20in%20HTML

glenn: asks janina if A11Y TF has any position on this document

janina: not at this time, has not discussed
... there is a group in TF working on mapping
... so unclear
... TF needs to discuss

AOB?

paulc: wants to report that group of members dealing with work on media proposal
... continue to meet on weekly basis
... significant advances on both EME and MSE proposals

<paulc> EME minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0034.html

paulc: substantial changes to both interfaces to be more O-O
... any one interested in that work should contact paulc
... also see public-html-media archive

Scribe for Next Meeting

mjs: any volunteers

<paulc> Paul will be chairing

Ted volunteers. Paul C will chair.

Adjournment

mjs: adjourned
... see you next week

trackbot, end meeting

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