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<trackbot> Date: 12 July 2012
mjs: i already started trackbot
<scribe> ScribeNick: glenn
ACTION-217?
<trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
mjs: one item ACTION-217
... Ted and Frank are working this, SF has commented proposing
his own
<paulc> Steve's proposal is at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hitregions
<paulc> This is a revision to Ted's proposal
hober: some outstanding feedback
from SF and Rich which might result in some changes
... but thinks it is stable
paulc: SF submitted
comments/changes to Ted's proposal
... operative question is that others need to review SF's
counter proposal
mjs: may need to go to survey, but two proposals are much closer now
<paulc> Status of ISSUE-201: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
close ACTION-217
<trackbot> ACTION-217 Create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) closed
paulc: should there be new action on Ted to review?
mjs: thinks ML thread is sufficient
janina: heard from rich will post soon
<paulc> Active discussion at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0064.html
janina: nobody is disagreeing, sounds more like clarification discussion
mjs: still should be able to
reach consensus
... continue discussion on ML
none
mjs: one tracker request
... to be LC2 comment
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
ISSUE-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
mjs: both calls have closed
none
ISSUE-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
mjs: CfC active, revisions to CPs, consensus proposal present
ISSUE-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
ISSUE-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
mjs: Julian raised issue that
IETF desires further discussion, will check with Philippe
... may put survey on hold, but should still provide input
paulc: plh says go ahead with
survey
... will respond on ML on this thread
none
[1] Testing Task Force
kris: good morning, didn't meet last week will meet next week
<krisk> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Upcoming_meetings
kris: schedule has been extended
and posted on wiki
... had discussed spec change about pattern repeat, opened bug
sent to list
<krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0065.html
kris: will have to see what
consensus develops
... q/c?
yang: what day is testing call?
<krisk> Please see http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
kris: see above link
yang: ok
<paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Conference_Calls
[2] Accessibility Task Force
janina: not a lot to report
... people have continued working on their tasks
... lack of quorum in last call
... progress, but slower than usual
... chairs are aware of status changes on ISSUE-194, etc
... and on ISSUE-201, nothing to add on what's been said
... strongly opposed to moving ISSUE-203 forward before
resolving ISSUE-30
[that is the TF is opposed]
mjs: yang is on queue
yang: noticed on ML that may decide on 3 options on ISSUE-194
<paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194
yang: will we discuss on this call?
janina: can do if folks like
paulc: chairs are preparing a survey on three options
yang: a new survey?
paulc: [explains process]
yang: another question
... for ??? detection ???
[scribe: did not follow question]
paulc: question is about hit testing and whether it is related to accessibility
<paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
paulc: see ISSUE-201
... [explains process about task forces]
... answer is yes, it is an accessibility related issue
... as are many other issues on status page posted above
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
mjs: CP was revised as requested
by chairs, now have gone to survey
... some questions about IETF coordination, but will
proceed
ISSUE-201?
<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
mjs: two proposals now with
slightly different variants
... from hober and SF
... q/c?
ISSUE-204?
<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
mjs: seems to have material differences in CPs
hober: JF and I went back and
forth on this
... have gotten closer, hope to find compromise wording
... a little more work to get agreement with JF
janina: would be happiest if we
can reach consensus on language
... not sure how to move in that direction, would be good if
hober can move this
... great concern is there are large # of disabled users not
using screen readers
... problems with tab approach
... probably not meeting all use cases
<laura> "Every good-faith effort has been made here, and if at this time you and Jonas are still unprepared to endorse the V4 CP, then I will ask the Accessibility Task Force for their endorsement of the V4 CP and ask that the Chairs proceed with a WBS survey on Issue 204." - John Foliot, June 29.
<laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0176.html
mjs: yang on queue
yang: why does ARIA need to see
hidden element?
... worried about breaking service logic
<yang> why let ARIA see the hidden, it will ruin the JS dynamic service logic
hober: thinks what yang is asking
is whether elements that are hidden, with visibility toggled
from script
... shouldn't pose a problem for ARIA attributes
... should be OK
yang: if disabled users use ARIA,
then they can see hidden elements?
... does ARIA differentiate between hidden and not hidden?
<yang> can user see the difference by aria for hidden and not-hidden?
mjs: suggests taking this
discussion offline
... or discuss on ML
<paulc> Yang could also attend the A11Y TF meeting
yang: ok
Using ARIA in HTML
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0165.html
<yang> any A11Y TF conference call information?
mjs: any q/c about this document (Using ARIA in HTML)?
glenn: what is intended purpose of this doc? for info only?
paulc: intent is to fill in gaps,
more readable
... less jargon
<paulc> From 0165.html: "My intention is to provide a non normative resource that fills in the gaps in the current HTML5 specification and a document that is more readable (i.e. less jargonist)"
glenn: thanks, yes
paulc: points out that it does deviate from HTML5
glenn: do we need further action by WG?
paulc: at present, author is
requesting feedback
... no specific actions for WG at this time
... there is a bugzilla component for this...
<paulc> Bugzilla component and link: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=Using%20ARIA%20in%20HTML
glenn: asks janina if A11Y TF has any position on this document
janina: not at this time, has not
discussed
... there is a group in TF working on mapping
... so unclear
... TF needs to discuss
paulc: wants to report that group
of members dealing with work on media proposal
... continue to meet on weekly basis
... significant advances on both EME and MSE proposals
<paulc> EME minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0034.html
paulc: substantial changes to
both interfaces to be more O-O
... any one interested in that work should contact paulc
... also see public-html-media archive
mjs: any volunteers
<paulc> Paul will be chairing
Ted volunteers. Paul C will chair.
mjs: adjourned
... see you next week
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