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<trackbot> Date: 19 June 2012
<scribe> scribenick: ivan
<scribe> scribe: Ivan
<mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
+1
RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
Ashok: I was at semtech 2 weeks ago, a number of people were there: juan, ivan, sour, seema
… I went to a number of talks
… and I found out that lots of people, not on the wg, people we have never spoken to, have implemented our spec
… e.g., the us dod
… I thought i would just share this, it was wonderful to see this
<dmcneil> +q
dmcneil: the dod uses an implementation from a sister company of ours
Ashok: are they using a different one or is it yours?
dmcneil: afaik, they are using ours
… they would talk about a revelytix product
<mhausenblas> Michael: Congrats to Revelytix, then ;)
<mhausenblas> … and OpenLink!
MacTed: dod is working on a number of different products and projects, I would not be surprised if they used all kinds of products like ours, or even their own implementation
mhausenblas: that is good news anyway
… other things from semtech?
scribe: ...
...
Souri: i want to mention that it was a pleasant surprise going to talks, not thinking about rdb2rdf, and people were talking about using this
… I did not expect that
… a nice surprise
… the product can be of a different companies
… it was a very nice surprise
mhausenblas: the general awareness is pretty much there
… anything we can do?
Ashok: there was a panel with juan and souri and jens asman from franz inc, and revelytix
… maybe think about to iswc
… something combined thing there?
mhausenblas: a tutorial?
Ashok: I thought there was one
ericP: I gave a tutorial at semtech
mhausenblas: all these are great
… is the academic environment the right place?
… i.e. iswc the right place?
<cygri> http://www.slideshare.net/der42/industrialized-linked-data
<mhausenblas> Michael: I think we should be selective with the dissemination channels in terms of tutorials (more towards industry) - set of re-usable presentations would be good to have
cygri: on semtech, dave reynolds works with public sector organizations in the uk
… he had a presentation where he showed and extension of r3rml for rdf spreadsheets
… and an rdf generated vocabulary was generated
… not many details there
… we are not yet ready and people are already extending it...
<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
mhausenblas: i have created a new table (see link)
… it focusses on the known implementations
… using the available reports
… richard, eric and boris, you should provide the impl. report
… either on our own site or attach it to the wiki
… questions?
(huge silence)
cygri: do we have an indication whether the earl reports work with boris' tooling?
… we are working on the earl report at the moment
<mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-06-26].
… we could just save time by using another report as a template if it works for him
mhausenblas: is there any chance, david, that you would submit anything
dmcneil: in the couple of weeks we plan to start with the latest version of the spec
mhausenblas: we have sufficient covering
… 5 covering r2rml
… 4 covering dm
… I think we are fine to go ahead
Ashok: we should be fine
<mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
ivan: when you say coverage you
mean all impl cover all TC?
... second thing is that we can choose to have a live document
but we need a frozen version for the PR phase
<ivan> scribenick: ivan
mhausenblas: yes, we have to make snapshot
… for the first question I did not mean all implementation pass all the test cases
… but I am sure that we have the minimum required implementation for each test
mhausenblas: we can prepare the resolution modulo the implantation report of Boris
… or we can plan to do it next tuesday
… both options work for me
<Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about editorial changes and bugfixes to the specs
cygri: it makes sense to not rush
… we also know that there are some small editor issue in the dm spec
… i also noticed some small things in the r2rml spec
… fixing another week would be better
… to make everything absolutely ready
<Ashok> +1 to Richard
mhausenblas: that is fine with me
… plan is that i talk to boris after the call
… based on the impl reports to have
ericP: I have submitted a while ago, but I have problems with oracle
… I can resubmit without oracle
ericP: richard suggested to use urls for the various databases
… anybody has a proposal or I would just come up with some
mhausenblas: if you have a proposal?
cygri: there is a wiki page that is linked from the spec
<cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDB2RDF/SQL_Version_IRIs
<mhausenblas> Thanks, Richard
<MacTed> I'm afraid those URIs (or their definitions) are insufficient. "Oracle" doesn't mean "Oracle 11g" nor "Oracle 11.0.3.2" nor...
<cygri> MacTed: "some unspecified version of oracle"?
<mhausenblas> Ivan: Can we get everything done till Tue 26 June (IR + editorial changes)?
<mhausenblas> Richard: Sounds realistic
<mhausenblas> Eric: Have to check back with Richard
<MacTed> cygri - that generalization will remain valid for a long time, but I can all but guarantee that some implementation(s) will pass against Oracle 11 and not against Oracle 10/9/8/7 (which are all still in production deployment)
Ashok: the hardest is to have the implementation report
… michael, you can tell us whether it is feasible next week
mhausenblas: there are 2 aspects to that
… turn the earl report into nice tables
… but we need the missing reports
… I am not worried for the table
… the plan would be to have everything done by then
<cygri> MacTed, i agree. would be better to be specific about the version where one had the tests pass. something to raise with boris?
<MacTed> cygri - yes, I think so. I think the list will also need expansion to include at least (current versions of) Ingres, Progress OpenEdge, DB2, Informix, Sybase ASE, Sybase SQL Anywhere, OpenLink Virtuoso...
<cygri> MacTed, +1. it's a wiki :-)
ericP: just to understand a test case
<MacTed> cygri - yes, it's a wiki, but it also says "please send email to the rdb2rdf-comments mailing list or contact the R2RML editors" and I'm not an editor. ;-)
… there is a test that tests binary datatypes
… that chagned recently
scribe: the original data was to be a .png file
… i wanted to know what the binary format was supposed to be
cygri: this made sense with base64 encoding
<ericP> cygri, i'll linger to finish the hexencoding use case
<mhausenblas> (meeting adjourned)
<nunolopes> cheers
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