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<trackbot> Date: 22 May 2012
<mhausenblas> RRSAgent:
<mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
<scribe> scribenick: ivan
<Ashok> Sure, I'm happy to chair
<boris> it was me
<Ashok> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
<mhausenblas> Michael: I wasn't present but looks good ;)
Ashok: any objections?
… carried once
… carried twice...
RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
Ashok: last week the wg agreed that we are not to add any functionality to r2rml
… but rather add wording telling the differences
… richard sent out some wording
… there was fairly good agreement on it
… so question: are we agreeable on richard's wording?
<Ashok> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html
ashok: is that the correct email, richard?
<cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/diffs/default-mapping.html
cygri: ^ these are the changes on DM, as edited by eric
Ashok: have people been able to read it?
… i got a number of +1-s on email
<Souri> +1
… if people want we can go through them again
ashok: the question I asked: are we ready to approve richard's wording?
… or people want to go through it again
ericP: I think we done it, I am fine
Ashok: I got a +1 from Juan, Marcello, and a number issues
PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality
<cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/of others/79
PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
+1
RESOLUTION: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
<Souri> :-)
Ashok: we have to figure out the
process questions
... richard, you have actually prepared a document?
cygri: the editor's document is the one we have just approved
… we have the wiki page describing the changes, I have to add that one, too
… otherwise it is complete
Ashok: eric, juan, what about the dm side?
… eric you sent out a mail last night?
ericP: that one adopted the wording
… the second commit I changed the value and attribute separator tags from hyphens and dots to equal and semicolumns
… however that change brings us back to last call
ashok: that one, and the change
from base64 and hex encoding
... the question is whether we will have the final
document?
ericP: if we decide to that latest stuff, I would like juan and marcello to review the rule section, but I believe it is there
… I may have done some mistake with the global search and replace
<juansequeda> ericP, can you send a link to the latest changes
Ashok: juan and marcello, could you review this in the next couple of days
Marcello, juan: yes
Ashok: we could therefore have
the final document in the next few days
... shall we agree on Friday the 25th?
<mhausenblas> Michael: concerning the road ahead - R2RML can transition to PR and if we go for a direct LC-PR transition we can get them out at the same time ...
mhausenblas: from our charter until the end of june
<Ashok> Ivan: The changes in R2RML introduce a new notion ... so it's borderline if we need a LC for R2RML
<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say it does change implementations
cygri: I agree to that: it makes a lot of sense, the current changes in r2rml is a borderline, it makes sense to do a 2nd lc with r2rml, too
<mhausenblas> Michael: I second that, let's go into 2nd LC with both R2RML and DM
<Ashok> +1 to Michael
<mhausenblas> Michael: And we can then go directly to PR from 2nd LC
ericP: when you have all your implementations ready, it is polite to go through a CR period, but we can note in the LC that we plan to go to PR directly
… and we have to do the implementation report
Ashok: I thought we can do a shorter last call?
ericP: may be it is 3 weeks
<mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr
… but, do we think it is realistic?
<Ashok> Michael: LC should be 3 weeks or longer
ericP: will be able to have an implementation report in 3 weeks?
Ashok: what do we have to do differently?
… .we have to change the encoding
ericP: we have to rewrite the tests
<boris> +1 to ericP
… but I do not know how many people have been running all the tests
… e.g. the ones with the Kanji characters
… or the multiple non-unique rows
Ashok: if we get the documents on the 25th,
ivan: we can then publish next week Tuesday
Ashok: if we publish next tuesday, 29th, then we got 3 weeks, that is the 19th of June
… for the LC period
mhausenblas: we should have a formal proposal for 2nd last call
PROPOSAL: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
<mhausenblas> +1
+1
<boris> +1
<cygri> +1
<ericP> +1
<juansequeda> +1
<Marcelo> +1
<seema> +1
<cygri> +1.5 actually
<Souri> +1
RESOLUTION: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
Ashok: I would like to get an idea who will implement, to get the formal reports
… from eric, juan?
david: I do not expect we will have time to complete the implementation
… for R2RML
Souri: we are working, but legally we cannot say things
<Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say we should have R2RML
cygri: i think by this date we should have r2rml complete
… and the direct mapping with the exception with the blank node issue i expect to have that done, too
Ashok: eric, will you have both of them, or only the dm?
boris: same as richard, we can have the r2rml implementation by mid-end June
… only r2rml
cygri: the dm we will have to pass except for the bnode issue
<Ashok> Ashok: Boris, Richard will have R2RML implemented
<mhausenblas> Michael: looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations makes me believe that we have one more for R2RML - Nuno's impl
ericP: I will have dm over three databases
<Ashok> Eric will have DM implemented
juansequeda: we have it ready for r2rml and dm
Ashok: we should have enough then
… excellent!
mhausenblas: I would like to start on implementation report
… where are we on the earl stuff, etc
boris: the whole test case and the report I have still review the test cases document
… with the last chagnes
… then we already have the setup for earl report
… the last thing is to generate an html page from the earl report
mhausenblas: maybe it is worth to do a dry round even if it is not complete
… just to be able to plug in another earl document in
boris: we can start right now with earl reports we have now
Ashok: do you have the test cases ready
boris: by Monday
mhausenblas: we should be set by now
Ashok: charter and timing?
mhausenblas: nothing, in terms of charter we are chartered until june
<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/
mhausenblas: I was wrong, the charter is until end of september!
cygri: i have a question, looking over the r2rml editors draft
… we have a link to the uc document and the test cases document
… what is going to happen there
… the uc document is june 2010
… is that just essentially stay like that (as a draft) or not
… the test cases is labeled as an editor's draft in the wg web space
<boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
Ashok: we have to think about a 1.1 version
… whether we want that or not
cygri: the links are as they are in the r2rml
Ashok: we are to have a telco next week, just to make sure that the document gets published
… starting the last call, etc
Ashok: let us keep on the schedule, if things are published then we can cancel the meeting
meeting ajourned
<Ashok> rrsagent make logs public
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