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<trackbot> Date: 04 April 2012
<scribe> Scribe: Steven
Steven: Nick, you and I should get together; maybe on a Weds/Thurs, and then use the Forms call for discussion
Erik: Next week?
Nick: A bit early; do you think we should have a longer call?
Erik: Sure
Steven: So the action is for Nick and I to settle on a date, and then the group know so that we can extend the call.
Steven: Maybe Leigh is a good candidate
Nick: Yes, though it has to go to a vote
Steven: I'll ask him if he's interested
Erik: He mentioned he was interested
Nick: There are facilities in CGs to set up polls
Steven: I'll check
... I moved the implementation list to the CG
http://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_Implementations
... Please keep your entries up-to-date
Nick: Poll page is https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wp-admin/admin.php?page=wp-polls/polls-manager.php
<scribe> ACTION: Nick to update WD according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1884 - Update WD according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-04-11].
[Discussing the element function comment in the above mail]
[Whether it should be the same as XSLT, because it looks similar, or just explain the difference]
[Erik, and Philip don't feel strongly about it]
<nvdbleek1> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms-xpath-20120504/#The_element.28.29_Function
Erik: The current text isn't
ambiguous
... unless we want to put a restriction
Nick: It mentions attributes and content
Erik: An implementor can
trivially do the right thing
... if there is a risk that an implementor may not do it right,
we should add text (about attributes coming after content)
Nick: I can add an extra example
Philip: I agree with that
<scribe> ACTION: Nick to add an extra example to https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms-xpath-20120504/#The_element.28.29_Function to show that attributes may come after element content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1885 - Add an extra example to https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms-xpath-20120504/#The_element.28.29_Function to show that attributes may come after element content [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-04-11].
<nvdbleek1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2012Apr/0000.html
<nvdbleek1> <xf:repeat ref="1 to 5">
Erik: About repeat over values
<nvdbleek1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2012Apr/0008.html
Nick: Only on bind and submission do we restrict what @ref may contain
Erik: Clearly an XPath expression
can return a seq of nodes, we need to be explicit what should
happen
... it is not obvious from the spec that it is allowed
... we should say something
Nick: I don't recall if we had a
resolution on this
... but if a control binds to a node that is not part of an
instance data, it becomes read-only
Erik: If it's a node, you can write to it, why not? Why make it read-only?
Nick: Too surprising for the user, on a refresh, the changed values would be replaced with something else
Erik: Maybe it's the right thing
to do
... but it would be silly for a form author to do that in the
first place
... transform() could be said to return read-only results. Not
sure if it's needed for element() or attribute()
... if you can't use bind on it, there would be no MIPs on
it
Nick: You could have a simple
checking implementation
... not hard to implement
Erik: I'd have to think about
it
... but I understand the rationale
... You could create an element, store it in a variable. It is
not in an instance, but it should be mutable
... therefore it shouldn't be read-only
... unless we decide that copying into a variable makes them
mutable
... XPath doesn't have mutability
Steven: I don't hear consensus
Nick: I'm not sure anyway
Erik: I can send out an email summarising the two sides, and we can take it from there.
Nick: Which list?
Erik: Both, the CG and the WG
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