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<trackbot> Date: 20 February 2012
<krit> I fear that my microphone is not working
<krit> I have to rely on IRC
<krit> The only open issue on Transforms for SVG is how to animate CSS transform property with SMIL
<krit> I try to call in from another phone...
<scribe> scribenick: cabanier
cabanier: I wanted Chris to be
here to have this discussion
... I understand why it's there, I don't think it's the default
ed: should we postpone?
cabanier: let's postpone
krit: did you get my email about
how to animate CSS attributes with SMIL
... ed, you said you needed feedback from the development team
<ed> ed: yes, sent offlist, but basically in agreement with the proposal
krit: SMIL animation would be on top of the current CSS animations
ed: the computed style would
... what is your recommendation?
krit: 1. override style reflects
... 2. Introduce a new style for SVG animations
... and the computed style would reflect this new style. could be called SMIL style
cabanier: do you think the model are compatible?
krit: yes, I think so
cabanier: so they run independantly?
<ed> ed: so is that image i just linked to correct now?
ed: do we want to wait for corrections to the proposal?
krit: the wiki is up to date
cabanier: do you know what the new style is?
krit: it's an abstract style that is implemented by the browser
ed: animVal becomes a shorthand
for getcomputedstyle but with typing. You skip the string
... that is fine with me
resolution: issue #4 is accepted from wiki: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_attribute#Issue_4:_Which_style_should_be_represented_by_SVG_DOMs_animVal
<ed> to be clear, the solution is to introduce a new style for SVG animations, as described there
ed: are there other transform issues?
krit: we want to move to WD as
soon as possible
... I believe it will be done this week
smfr: are we going to remove the DOM access methods?
smfr: CSS matrix, CSS transform value
krit: and we'll have another
discussion on FX, or SVG
... it doesn't affect CSS any more
ed: how so?
krit: that is because CSS matrix is removed
and we no longer have to describe how SVG and CSS interface
cabanier: and the new keywords are accepted by the CSS people? (such as rotate(alpha, a, b)
... the discussion on that has stopped
smfr: and transform-origin is defined for SVG?
krit: yes, for SVG it will be (0, 0)
smfr: the rotate with two
parameters gives the author more to think about
... these 2 optional arguments may make it less clear about what is happening
... the rules are already complex
smft: and no browsers currently implement it yet
krit: these are just 2 arguments
to align the CSS and SVG models
... for current authors, it might be new
... but it's needed for backward compatibility with SVG parsing rules?
ed: when is the WD ready?
krit: depends on the CSS WG
ed: yes, I pinged them when they
can make their resolution
... let's skip the next topics since we need input from Microsoft and they are not here
shepazu: about the transform spec, there were 12 topics called out, are we going to resolve it?
krit: the WG draft spec doesn't say that all issues have to be resolved
shepazu: yes, but we better get
start on this
... I've been talking to authors and they want different origins with a set of transforms
krit: I don't think we want to support that for CSS3 transforms
shepazu: that means it won't be there for 2-3 years at least
shepazu: what about tests? Aryeh has some test I believe
krit: Adobe is working on SVG inside of webkit and we're working on some tests
Tav: but you need 2 working implementations for the tests
ed: do you have the test working in a web template or using the CSS WG testing harnass?
krit: no, they are just WebKit test but we can move them to W3C tests
ed: the csswg testsuite
guidelines say that they don't accept SVG test. You need a HMTL
... the tools don't support straight SVG
krit: inline SVG should be possible
shepazu: we should have both:
inline and straight SVG
... do we need 2 passing tests for HTML but do we need 2 passing test for SVG as well?
smfr: we talked about different conformance classes in the spec. Not sure what the status is.
shepazu: what is the status of the 2d/3d spec?
smfr: I agree with tantek
... the major interop issues should be resolved
... agree that we should move to last call
shepazu: not sure what LC accomplishes if we still have open issues
smfr: tantek believes that they want to drop prefixes as soon as possible
shepazu: but we don't have
conforming implementations right?
... what does dropping prefixes have to do with LC?
smfr: well, the sooner you do LC the faster you can go the CR
shepazu: isn't it more reasonable to agree on when to drop prefixes than to rush the spec?
ed: I agree
shepazu: if there is a full test
suite that tests each feature and everyone passes is, at that
point you can drop prefixes
... his goal is putting the horse behind the cart.
smft: this was discussed at length. It's been covered already
<dino> read the thousands of emails
smfr: I believe tantek's proposal was similar to yours
shepazu: I will read up on the process and take it to the list
shepazu: I want to move this
... we've been talking about this at w3c and we want to move forward on this spec asap too
... let us know if you need help
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