RDF Working Group

Minutes of 08 June 2011

Seen
Alex Hall, Antoine Zimmermann, David Wood, David Wood, Guus Schreiber, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Steve Harris, Ted Thibodeau, William Waites
Guests
David Wood
Scribe
Steve Harris
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. accept minutes of last meeting link
  2. close ISSUE-58, as being archaic. link
  3. by consensus to close ISSUE-60 and redirect to ISSUE-37 link
  4. close ISSUE-61 stating that the answer is "no" link
Topics
<sandro> guest: David Wood
15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, Guus_Schreiber, cygri, ww (muted), [Garlik], Peter_Patel-Schneider, AlexHall, [Sophia]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, Guus_Schreiber, cygri, ww (muted), [Garlik], Peter_Patel-Schneider, AlexHall, [Sophia]

15:03:37 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

15:03:41 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:03:50 <pchampin> zakim, ??P37 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P37 is me

15:03:50 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:04:10 <SteveH> scribenick: SteveH

(Scribe set to Steve Harris)

15:04:22 <SteveH> scribe: SteveH
15:05:33 <SteveH> Guus: minuites

Guus Schreiber: minuites

15:05:40 <SteveH> ... any objections....

... any objections....

15:06:04 <SteveH> Resolved: accept minutes of last meeting

RESOLVED: accept minutes of last meeting

15:06:18 <SteveH> ... no actions pending review, open action items:

... no actions pending review, open action items:

15:06:30 <SteveH> ... options for issue 15

... options for ISSUE-15

15:06:55 <SteveH> cygri: it's related to graphs stuff, we should refactor it

Richard Cyganiak: it's related to graphs stuff, we should refactor it

15:07:06 <SteveH> ... start progress over again

... start progress over again

15:07:21 <SteveH> Guus: it's on an agenda item

Guus Schreiber: it's on an agenda item

15:07:28 <SteveH> ... lets close this action, and see

... lets close this action, and see

15:07:55 <SteveH> ... 3rd action is on Sandro "start conversation on reservings"/

... 3rd action is on Sandro "start conversation on reservings"/

15:08:22 <SteveH> [it might be .well-known]

[it might be .well-known]

15:08:52 <SteveH> cygri, it's whether we approach the IEFT now, or wait

cygri, it's whether we approach the IEFT now, or wait

15:09:09 <SteveH> Guus: can someone add a note saying what it means

Guus Schreiber: can someone add a note saying what it means

15:09:17 <SteveH> davidwood: I'll add something

David Wood: I'll add something

15:09:43 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-Graph-Literal

Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-Graph-Literal

15:09:48 <SteveH> cygri: ...about literals ^

Richard Cyganiak: ...about literals ^

15:09:52 <davidwood> Thanks.  My recent status change seems to have left me unable to edit the wiki.

David Wood: Thanks. My recent status change seems to have left me unable to edit the wiki.

15:10:39 <SteveH> Guus: nearing time when europeans will go on holiday

Guus Schreiber: nearing time when europeans will go on holiday

15:11:00 <SteveH> ... several ways - we can tke a break, or meet every week with a small group, or do telecons every 2 weeks over summertime

... several ways - we can tke a break, or meet every week with a small group, or do telecons every 2 weeks over summertime

15:11:06 <SteveH> ... happy to accept other points

... happy to accept other points

15:11:20 <cygri> trackbot, close ACTION-25

Richard Cyganiak: trackbot, close ACTION-25

15:11:20 <trackbot> ACTION-25 Write up the different options re ISSUE-15 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-25 Write up the different options re ISSUE-15 closed

15:11:22 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

15:11:29 <SteveH> davidwood: we have one week where we know lots of people will be absent

David Wood: we have one week where we know lots of people will be absent

15:11:37 <SteveH> Guus: does 2 weeks sound fine?

Guus Schreiber: does 2 weeks sound fine?

15:11:48 <ww> +1 every two weeks

William Waites: +1 every two weeks

15:12:17 <cygri> SteveH: sparql keeps running through the summer, lots of americans on the group

Steve Harris: sparql keeps running through the summer, lots of americans on the group [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:12:20 <davidwood> +1 to 2 weeks

David Wood: +1 to 2 weeks

15:12:22 <SteveH> +1

+1

15:12:40 <SteveH> Guus: suggest we do every 2 weeks, back to normal on 3rd week of aug

Guus Schreiber: suggest we do every 2 weeks, back to normal on 3rd week of aug

15:12:47 <SteveH> Guus: I will propose a schedule

Guus Schreiber: I will propose a schedule

15:13:00 <SteveH> ACTION: Guus to propose schedule

ACTION: Guus to propose schedule

15:13:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Propose schedule [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-55 - Propose schedule [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

15:13:24 <SteveH>  ACTION-55: schedule for meetings over the summer that is

ACTION-55: schedule for meetings over the summer that is

15:13:24 <trackbot> ACTION-55 Propose schedule notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-55 Propose schedule notes added

15:13:28 <PHayes> Um..sorry Im late...why are we changing the schedule?

Patrick Hayes: Um..sorry Im late...why are we changing the schedule?

15:13:34 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen

15:13:45 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

15:13:45 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it

15:13:54 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:13:54 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:13:58 <SteveH> Guus: SPARQL last call WD

Guus Schreiber: SPARQL last call WD

15:13:59 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:13:59 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:14:09 <AlexHall> PatH, because Europeans are about to go on holiday.

Alex Hall: PatH, because Europeans are about to go on holiday.

15:14:20 <PHayes> Ah.

Patrick Hayes: Ah.

15:14:23 <SteveH> ... decided that we will have personal reviews from members + review on behalf of RDF WD

... decided that we will have personal reviews from members + review on behalf of RDF WD

15:14:40 <SteveH> ... actions were not recorded

... actions were not recorded

15:14:49 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, unmute me

15:14:49 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should no longer be muted

15:15:06 <SteveH> pchampin: haven't had time to look into it

Pierre-Antoine Champin: haven't had time to look into it

15:15:28 <SteveH> Guus: it's proper behaviour for us to respond quickly

Guus Schreiber: it's proper behaviour for us to respond quickly

15:15:42 <SteveH> ACTION: pchampin to review SPARQL LC WD document

ACTION: pchampin to review SPARQL LC WD document

15:15:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Review SPARQL LC WD document [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-56 - Review SPARQL LC WD document [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2011-06-15].

15:16:09 <SteveH> ACTION: Guus to contact Yves R. re. SPARQL reviews

ACTION: Guus to contact Yves R. re. SPARQL reviews

15:16:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Contact Yves R. re. SPARQL reviews [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-57 - Contact Yves R. re. SPARQL reviews [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

15:16:44 <SteveH> Guus: Lee F. suggested we organise a short telecon to discuss graph terminology

Guus Schreiber: Lee F. suggested we organise a short telecon to discuss graph terminology

15:18:14 <SteveH> davidwood: would be in the contxet of coord group

David Wood: could be in the contxet of coord group

15:18:20 <SteveH> s/would/could/
15:18:49 <SteveH> Guus: message of 16th May

Guus Schreiber: message of 16th May

15:19:00 <SteveH> ... 15th May in US

... 15th May in US

15:19:31 <SteveH> ACTION: Guus to organise telecon with SPARQL WG on graph terminology

ACTION: Guus to organise telecon with SPARQL WG on graph terminology

15:19:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Organise telecon with SPARQL WG on graph terminology [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Organise telecon with SPARQL WG on graph terminology [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

15:19:44 <pchampin> of course

Pierre-Antoine Champin: of course

15:19:57 <SteveH> Guus: pchampin, would be nice if you could take into account discussion of string literals

Guus Schreiber: pchampin, would be nice if you could take into account discussion of string literals

15:20:12 <SteveH> Status of documentation

Status of documentation

15:20:32 <SteveH> Guus: concepts document, it's in mercurial

Guus Schreiber: concepts document, it's in mercurial

15:20:43 <SteveH> ... I assume that most of the respec problems have been fixed

... I assume that most of the respec problems have been fixed

15:20:45 <cygri> RDF Concepts, editors draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

Richard Cyganiak: RDF Concepts, editors draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

15:20:57 <SteveH> ... I suggest to reuse old templates

... I suggest to reuse old templates

15:21:14 <SteveH> cygri: one way to start would be take a copy of HTML files, especially header

Richard Cyganiak: one way to start would be take a copy of HTML files, especially header

15:21:19 <SteveH> ... you have to make some obvious changes

... you have to make some obvious changes

15:21:27 <SteveH> ... then insert the current content as published

... then insert the current content as published

15:21:47 <SteveH> Guus: I did that already for the primer

Guus Schreiber: I did that already for the primer

15:21:59 <SteveH> ... would be best is we started adding docs to repo

... would be best is we started adding docs to repo

15:22:25 <ww> i tried writing a spec with respec.js attempting to put the vocabulary in rdfa inside it. didn't work very well...

William Waites: i tried writing a spec with respec.js attempting to put the vocabulary in rdfa inside it. didn't work very well...

15:22:28 <PHayes> I have to say, this whole process is utterly alien to me and I really have not even begun hjow to install the necessary software. As I have no idea what it is doing, I dont know how to know if I ge it right.

Patrick Hayes: I have to say, this whole process is utterly alien to me and I really have not even begun hjow to install the necessary software. As I have no idea what it is doing, I dont know how to know if I ge it right.

15:23:34 <SteveH> PHayes: I'll learn how to do it, but it will take me a while

Patrick Hayes: I'll learn how to do it, but it will take me a while

15:24:10 <SteveH> Guus: Richard sent a doc with shortnames for docuemnts, seems obvious

Guus Schreiber: Richard sent a doc with shortnames for docuemnts, seems obvious

15:24:20 <SteveH> ... but why is it turtle, not rdf-turtle

... but why is it turtle, not rdf-turtle

15:24:24 <SteveH> cygri: either would be ok

Richard Cyganiak: either would be ok

15:24:35 <SteveH> Guus: we have rdf- infront of all of them

Guus Schreiber: we have rdf- infront of all of them

15:24:53 <SteveH> davidwood: I propose to make that change

David Wood: I propose to make that change

15:25:11 <AZ> \me +1 to rdf- for all documents

Antoine Zimmermann: \me +1 to rdf- for all documents

15:25:46 <SteveH> cygri: we should have a page (on the wiki) about the documents

Richard Cyganiak: we should have a page (on the wiki) about the documents

15:25:53 <SteveH> ... I could create

... I could create

15:26:18 <SteveH> ACTION: cygri to create page on wiki about documents and editing

ACTION: cygri to create page on wiki about documents and editing

15:26:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Create page on wiki about documents and editing [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Create page on wiki about documents and editing [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-06-15].

15:26:58 <SteveH> Guus: will try for early Turtle draft, relatively little work, but work needs to be done

Guus Schreiber: will try for early Turtle draft, relatively little work, but work needs to be done

15:27:15 <SteveH> ACTION Guus to discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP

ACTION Guus to discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP

15:27:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-06-15].

15:27:36 <SteveH> Guus: will attempt to report back next week

Guus Schreiber: will attempt to report back next week

15:27:59 <PHayes> +1 to david

Patrick Hayes: +1 to david

15:28:11 <SteveH> davidwood: can we leave the telecon slot open

David Wood: can we leave the telecon slot open

15:28:19 <SteveH> [general agreement]

[general agreement]

15:28:44 <SteveH> Guus: content issues

Guus Schreiber: content issues

15:29:13 <SteveH> ... as far as I can see the main changes to concepts are graphs TF issues, have to reach consensus, but lots of open issues

... as far as I can see the main changes to concepts are graphs TF issues, have to reach consensus, but lots of open issues

15:29:25 <SteveH> ... wondering if its useful to do review next week

... wondering if its useful to do review next week

15:29:42 <SteveH> ... is someone willing to prepare that discussion

... is someone willing to prepare that discussion

15:30:02 <davidwood> +1 to refocus discussion on graphs

David Wood: +1 to refocus discussion on graphs

15:30:08 <SteveH> ... about 10 issues open, propose we start discussing next week

... about 10 issues open, propose we start discussing next week

15:30:19 <SteveH> ... re. concepts doc

... re. concepts doc

15:30:31 <PHayes> Unfortunately this particular week is impossible for me, or I would volunteer. Good idea.

Patrick Hayes: Unfortunately this particular week is impossible for me, or I would volunteer. Good idea.

15:30:32 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:31:03 <SteveH> ... issues are well documented, so should review issues, and assign actions

... issues are well documented, so should review issues, and assign actions

15:31:05 <cygri> +1 to reviewing the issues + deciding on actions

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to reviewing the issues + deciding on actions

15:31:15 <SteveH> ... one issue is being tacked by telecon

... one issue is being tacked by telecon

15:31:36 <SteveH> ... we were close to consensus in last discussion

... we were close to consensus in last discussion

15:31:54 <SteveH> ... next week 30 mins minimum for review of status of graphs issues

... next week 30 mins minimum for review of status of graphs issues

15:32:18 <SteveH> ... last 5 postponed issues

... last 5 postponed issues

15:32:44 <SteveH> ... ISSUE-58

... ISSUE-58

15:32:57 <SteveH> ... david proposes we should close it as it's archaic

... david proposes we should close it as it's archaic

15:33:03 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:33:05 <SteveH> +1, close it

+1, close it

15:33:07 <PHayes> agreee close

Patrick Hayes: agreee close

15:33:07 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:33:08 <AlexHall> +1

Alex Hall: +1

15:33:15 <AZ> +1 close

Antoine Zimmermann: +1 close

15:33:19 <cygri> +1 close

Richard Cyganiak: +1 close

15:33:35 <SteveH> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-58, as being archaic.

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-58, as being archaic.

15:33:39 <SteveH> by consensus

by consensus

15:33:58 <SteveH> ISSUE-59

ISSUE-59

15:34:21 <SteveH> Guus: "RDF XML syntax can't represent arbitrary graphs"

Guus Schreiber: "RDF XML syntax can't represent arbitrary graphs"

15:34:25 <pfps> +10 to not upgrade RDF/XML to do this

Peter Patel-Schneider: +10 to not upgrade RDF/XML to do this

15:34:34 <SteveH> +1 to close

+1 to close

15:34:40 <pfps> +1 to *close*

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to *close*

15:34:48 <AZ> +1 to close

Antoine Zimmermann: +1 to close

15:34:49 <AlexHall> It's already noted in the specs

Alex Hall: It's already noted in the specs

15:34:52 <AlexHall> +1 to close

Alex Hall: +1 to close

15:34:57 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:35:14 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:35:19 <PHayes> propose we leave this open for now, until we consider rdf/xml. No need to close it.

Patrick Hayes: propose we leave this open for now, until we consider rdf/xml. No need to close it.

15:35:25 <davidwood> +1 to close

David Wood: +1 to close

15:35:26 <cygri> ISSUE-59?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-59?

15:35:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Revisit "The RDF/XML syntax can't represent an an arbritary graph structure" -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 -- Revisit "The RDF/XML syntax can't represent an an arbritary graph structure" -- raised

15:35:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/59

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/59

15:36:45 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:37:15 <Guus> ack cygri

Guus Schreiber: ack cygri

15:37:25 <pfps> I don't see a possible future in which RDF/XML changes to represent all graphs.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't see a possible future in which RDF/XML changes to represent all graphs.

15:37:30 <SteveH> +1

+1

15:37:48 <PHayes> OK, 0 from me.

Patrick Hayes: OK, 0 from me.

15:38:03 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:38:10 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:38:24 <pfps> q+ to say that Richard is confused

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to say that Richard is confused

15:38:27 <MacTed> silly phone system....

Ted Thibodeau: silly phone system....

15:38:34 <pchampin> g-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: g-

15:38:37 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:38:38 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

15:38:39 <PHayes> richard has a good point. THis may be a non-issue due to an old clerical error.

Patrick Hayes: richard has a good point. THis may be a non-issue due to an old clerical error.

15:38:41 <cygri> issue description here: http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-syntax-incomplete

Richard Cyganiak: issue description here: http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-syntax-incomplete

15:38:45 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:38:45 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:38:48 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:38:48 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:38:58 <pchampin> q+ to understand who's confused

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to understand who's confused

15:39:49 <SteveH> ACTION: pfps to check whether ISSUES-59 is still pertinient (may be obsolete)

ACTION: pfps to check whether ISSUES-59 is still pertinient (may be obsolete)

15:39:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Check whether ISSUES-59 is still pertinient (may be obsolete) [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2011-06-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Check whether ISSUES-59 is still pertinient (may be obsolete) [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2011-06-15].

15:40:04 <ww> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0163.html <-- actions to add nodeID recorded

William Waites: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0163.html <-- actions to add nodeID recorded

15:40:09 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

15:40:14 <SteveH> ISSUE-60?

ISSUE-60?

15:40:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-60 -- Revisit "Defining the interpretation of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats" -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-60 -- Revisit "Defining the interpretation of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats" -- raised

15:40:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/60

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/60

15:40:28 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:40:35 <SteveH> Guus: propose to continue

Guus Schreiber: propose to continue

15:40:49 <cygri> ISSUE-37?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-37?

15:40:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats -- raised

15:40:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/37

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/37

15:41:22 <SteveH> cygri: things like RDFa make this question more important, so this should be considered

Richard Cyganiak: things like RDFa make this question more important, so this should be considered

15:41:39 <SteveH> Guus: we have an issue already, so we can close 60, redir to 37

Guus Schreiber: we have an issue already, so we can close 60, redir to 37

15:42:09 <SteveH> ... can someone add a link to 37, and close 60?

... can someone add a link to 37, and close 60?

15:42:19 <pfps> I'll do it, instead of my other action.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll do it, instead of my other action.

15:42:21 <cygri> +1 to close and redirect to ISSUE-37

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to close and redirect to ISSUE-37

15:42:41 <PHayes> FWIW, re. issue 59, the 26 july 2000 wg minutes say that this issue is "removed from the WG's issue list", not "postponed".

Patrick Hayes: FWIW, re. ISSUE-59, the 26 july 2000 wg minutes say that this issue is "removed from the WG's issue list", not "postponed".

15:42:48 <SteveH> RESOLVED: by consensus to close ISSUE-60 and redirect to ISSUE-37

RESOLVED: by consensus to close ISSUE-60 and redirect to ISSUE-37

15:43:17 <pfps> go it

Peter Patel-Schneider: go it

15:43:21 <pfps> got it

Peter Patel-Schneider: got it

15:43:23 <PHayes> OK

Patrick Hayes: OK

15:43:29 <SteveH> Guus: looks like ISSUE-59 was an admin error

Guus Schreiber: looks like ISSUE-59 was an admin error

15:43:45 <SteveH> ISSUE-61?

ISSUE-61?

15:43:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- Revisit "An XML literal without markup, e.g. "foo" should denote the same thing as the plain literal "foo"" -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-61 -- Revisit "An XML literal without markup, e.g. "foo" should denote the same thing as the plain literal "foo"" -- raised

15:43:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/61

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/61

15:44:15 <pfps> I don't think that Issue-12 talks about XML literals now.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't think that ISSUE-12 talks about XML literals now.

15:44:19 <SteveH> I don't believe that "foo" is a legal XMLLiteral, is it?

I don't believe that "foo" is a legal XMLLiteral, is it?

15:44:51 <SteveH> "<foo />" is legal, I think

"<foo />" is legal, I think

15:44:59 <PHayes> +1 Steve.

Patrick Hayes: +1 Steve.

15:45:51 <SteveH> Guus: prefer not to close it with the current text, quite sure that we will close it with the statement that it's misguided

Guus Schreiber: prefer not to close it with the current text, quite sure that we will close it with the statement that it's misguided

15:45:58 <PHayes> I dont understand this issue? Was it to make "foo"^^^rdf:XMLLIteral be identical with something else? If so, what?

Patrick Hayes: I dont understand this issue? Was it to make "foo"^^^rdf:XMLLIteral be identical with something else? If so, what?

15:46:16 <AZ> Close it but do not mention Issue-12

Antoine Zimmermann: Close it but do not mention ISSUE-12

15:46:21 <PHayes> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:46:36 <SteveH> Guus: propose to close the issue stating that the statement is not true

Guus Schreiber: propose to close the issue stating that the statement is not true

15:46:51 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:46:57 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:47:17 <AZ> "foo"^^^rdf:XMLLIteral owl:differentFrom "foo"

Antoine Zimmermann: "foo"^^^rdf:XMLLIteral owl:differentFrom "foo"

15:47:30 <SteveH> Guus: more discussion?

Guus Schreiber: more discussion?

15:47:51 <SteveH> propose to close issue-61 stating that the answer should be no

propose to close ISSUE-61 stating that the answer should be no

15:47:57 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:47:59 <SteveH> +1

+1

15:48:01 <AZ> +1 use pfps proposal

Antoine Zimmermann: +1 use pfps proposal

15:48:02 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:48:02 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:48:13 <SteveH> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-61 stating that the answer is "no"

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-61 stating that the answer is "no"

15:48:29 <PHayes> Why do I keep thinking 'augean'?

Patrick Hayes: Why do I keep thinking 'augean'?

15:48:39 <SteveH> ISSUE-62?

ISSUE-62?

15:48:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Revisit "The test cases manifest format has a semantic error" -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Revisit "The test cases manifest format has a semantic error" -- raised

15:48:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/62

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/62

15:48:56 <SteveH> Guus: propose to continue this issue, and look again when we're working on testcases

Guus Schreiber: propose to continue this issue, and look again when we're working on testcases

15:49:04 <SteveH> ... leave it open

... leave it open

15:49:06 <PHayes> +1 to doing nothing.

Patrick Hayes: +1 to doing nothing.

15:49:10 <SteveH> +1

+1

15:49:13 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:49:36 <SteveH> ISSUE-12?

ISSUE-12?

15:49:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open

15:49:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12

15:50:12 <SteveH> Guus: there's a thread about this, it appears we're close to consensus

Guus Schreiber: there's a thread about this, it appears we're close to consensus

15:50:22 <SteveH> ... would like discussion about things we don't have consensus about

... would like discussion about things we don't have consensus about

15:50:28 <SteveH> ... plan for resolution next week

... plan for resolution next week

15:50:29 <PHayes> I think we need a better name for rdf:LanguageTaggedLIteral

Patrick Hayes: I think we need a better name for rdf:LanguageTaggedLIteral

15:50:49 <SteveH> PHayes: I think we're close to consensus, what about alt. proposal about using datatypes

Patrick Hayes: I think we're close to consensus, what about alt. proposal about using datatypes

15:51:26 <SteveH> ... about only remaining thing we're still debating is what we're calling this datatype, and how best to explain it so it doesn't sound complicated

... about only remaining thing we're still debating is what we're calling this datatype, and how best to explain it so it doesn't sound complicated

15:51:38 <SteveH> Guus: it's important to spend time on naming

Guus Schreiber: it's important to spend time on naming

15:52:08 <SteveH> PHayes: there's on more issue, there's 2 ways to present it, the new datatype

Patrick Hayes: there's on more issue, there's 2 ways to present it, the new datatype

15:52:26 <ww> so "chat"@fr -> "\"chat\"@fr"^^rdf:LTR ??

William Waites: so "chat"@fr -> "\"chat\"@fr"^^rdf:LTR ??

15:52:43 <SteveH> ... one is to retain the current model sctrictly, but we have to use PlainLiteral device in abstract syntax, to include both parts in one string, easy, but ugly(?)

... one is to retain the current model sctrictly, but we have to use PlainLiteral device in abstract syntax, to include both parts in one string, easy, but ugly(?)

15:52:57 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:53:14 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:53:17 <SteveH> ... or would could bite the bullet and treat it like its a datatype, but it takes a pair, the extension is trivial, some people things it's complex, but I don't agree

... or would could bite the bullet and treat it like its a datatype, but it takes a pair, the extension is trivial, some people things it's complex, but I don't agree

15:53:27 <SteveH> q?

q?

15:53:32 <Guus> ack cygri

Guus Schreiber: ack cygri

15:54:17 <SteveH> cygri: there are several ways to handle connection between abs. syntax and semantics, one was is to leave PLs as they are, and say that rdf:LTS is not actually a DT, but a class

Richard Cyganiak: there are several ways to handle connection between abs. syntax and semantics, one was is to leave PLs as they are, and say that rdf:LTS is not actually a DT, but a class

15:54:32 <SteveH> ... of all <string, langtag> pairs

... of all <string, langtag> pairs

15:54:39 <SteveH> ... worht considering, or do people object

... worht considering, or do people object

15:54:47 <SteveH> PHayes: that's a viable option too

Patrick Hayes: that's a viable option too

15:55:01 <SteveH> ... if you look how they get used, it's only used as a classname

... if you look how they get used, it's only used as a classname

15:55:06 <SteveH> ... or a token

... or a token

15:55:34 <SteveH> ... we can just say that (something) without saying it's a DT

... we can just say that (something) without saying it's a DT

15:55:44 <SteveH> cygri: it seems that it's the least painful way

Richard Cyganiak: it seems that it's the least painful way

15:55:59 <ww> q+

William Waites: q+

15:56:03 <SteveH> ... it might be a bit cleaner to do it with a DT, but we still have three things

... it might be a bit cleaner to do it with a DT, but we still have three things

15:56:15 <SteveH> ... seems to cause oposition from implementors

... seems to cause oposition from implementors

15:56:19 <SteveH> +1

+1

15:56:25 <SteveH> ... maybe it would be a good option

... maybe it would be a good option

15:56:25 <Guus> +1 for Richard's option

Guus Schreiber: +1 for Richard's option

15:56:49 <PHayes> As long as it can be treated as a 'type' in SPARQL :-)

Patrick Hayes: As long as it can be treated as a 'type' in SPARQL :-)

15:56:52 <SteveH> ... two more things, may still be disagreement, there's ....

... two more things, may still be disagreement, there's ....

15:56:54 <ww> zakim, unmute me

William Waites: zakim, unmute me

15:56:54 <Zakim> ww should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ww should no longer be muted

15:57:29 <SteveH> ww: this proposal seems like a half measure, intriduces an extra 3rd thing, and cant use rdf machiney to model langs, which we might want to do

William Waites: this proposal seems like a half measure, intriduces an extra 3rd thing, and cant use rdf machiney to model langs, which we might want to do

15:57:38 <SteveH> ... we should leave open the possibility

... we should leave open the possibility

15:57:44 <PHayes> Which proposal is Ww referring to?

Patrick Hayes: Which proposal is Ww referring to?

15:57:48 <SteveH> ... having a tuple-space with datatype means we cant do that

... having a tuple-space with datatype means we cant do that

15:57:58 <SteveH> cygri: i'm confused

Richard Cyganiak: i'm confused

15:58:19 <SteveH> ww: dt with string,lang pairs means the lang is disconnected

William Waites: dt with string,lang pairs means the lang is disconnected

15:58:35 <SteveH> ... there should be a DT for LTS, with subtypes, for every language

... there should be a DT for LTS, with subtypes, for every language

15:58:42 <SteveH> ... leave the door open for modelling that

... leave the door open for modelling that

15:58:48 <SteveH> ... abolish langtags

... abolish langtags

15:58:48 <PHayes> q

Patrick Hayes: q

15:58:52 <PHayes> +q

Patrick Hayes: +q

15:58:58 <SteveH> cygri: can't follow that

Richard Cyganiak: can't follow that

15:59:00 <Guus> ack ww

Guus Schreiber: ack ww

15:59:02 <SteveH> ... what is the proposal

... what is the proposal

15:59:21 <Guus> ack PHayes

Guus Schreiber: ack PHayes

15:59:37 <SteveH> ww: langtags abolished, strings are strngs, subsets of the sets of all strings that are strings in particular languages, subtypes of the string datatype

William Waites: langtags abolished, strings are strngs, subsets of the sets of all strings that are strings in particular languages, subtypes of the string datatype

15:59:40 <PHayes> I dont htink that our users will tolerate our bainishing lang tags on literals.

Patrick Hayes: I dont htink that our users will tolerate our bainishing lang tags on literals.

15:59:44 <pchampin> that does not work; language are orthogonal to strings

Pierre-Antoine Champin: that does not work; language are orthogonal to strings

16:00:10 <SteveH> PHayes: there is a sizeable user population that demanded them with passion, can't get rid of them

Patrick Hayes: there is a sizeable user population that demanded them with passion, can't get rid of them

16:00:18 <SteveH> ... inc. the 23c i18n group

... inc. the 23c i18n group

16:00:36 <SteveH> ww: not saying remove the function, just make it a kind of DT

William Waites: not saying remove the function, just make it a kind of DT

16:01:00 <SteveH> [sounds like ww is describing langtags as datatypes option]

[sounds like ww is describing langtags as datatypes option]

16:01:10 <ww> SteveH: yes

Steve Harris: yes [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ]

16:02:27 <SteveH> ww: get rid of langtags yes, but map them to dts(?)

William Waites: get rid of langtags yes, but map them to dts(?)

16:02:46 <SteveH> ... want to make languages a tree of datatypes

... want to make languages a tree of datatypes

16:02:56 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:03:08 <cygri> q-

Richard Cyganiak: q-

16:03:11 <SteveH> PHayes: any proposal that removes langtags from syntax of RDF wont''t fly

Patrick Hayes: any proposal that removes langtags from syntax of RDF wont''t fly

16:03:12 <SteveH> +1

+1

16:03:24 <SteveH> ww: will write proposal to list

William Waites: will write proposal to list

16:03:43 <ww> zakim, mute me

William Waites: zakim, mute me

16:03:43 <Zakim> ww should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ww should now be muted

16:03:54 <SteveH> cygri: some discussion is needed re. preference of different contrcete syntax forms

Richard Cyganiak: some discussion is needed re. preference of different contrcete syntax forms

16:04:09 <SteveH> ... e.g. in NTriples would now have two options, "foo", "foo"^^xsd:string

... e.g. in NTriples would now have two options, "foo", "foo"^^xsd:string

16:04:23 <SteveH> ... there are different tradeoffs in different formats

... there are different tradeoffs in different formats

16:04:38 <SteveH> ... in NTriples is good that there's not much syntax variation

... in NTriples is good that there's not much syntax variation

16:04:55 <SteveH> ... would make things harder if I find both in the wild

... would make things harder if I find both in the wild

16:05:12 <SteveH> ... should we say that one SHOULD, MUST or SHOULD NOT use one of these forms

... should we say that one SHOULD, MUST or SHOULD NOT use one of these forms

16:05:22 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

16:05:23 <SteveH> ... or allow each spec to do it's own thing

... or allow each spec to do it's own thing

16:05:35 <SteveH> ... I think I disagree with AndyS about some format issues

... I think I disagree with AndyS about some format issues

16:05:44 <SteveH> [what]s AndyS's position?}

[what]s AndyS's position?}

16:05:53 <PHayes> +1 to getting all this VERY CLEAR, for sure.

Patrick Hayes: +1 to getting all this VERY CLEAR, for sure.

16:05:59 <SteveH> Guus: shortest form is usally preferable

Guus Schreiber: shortest form is usally preferable

16:06:08 <SteveH> +1 to VERY CLEAR

+1 to VERY CLEAR

16:06:41 <SteveH> cygri: AndyS says that authors SHOULD use the shortest form, in SPARQL results I would really like to be able to know whether the strings are going to have the DT or not

Richard Cyganiak: AndyS says that authors SHOULD use the shortest form, in SPARQL results I would really like to be able to know whether the strings are going to have the DT or not

16:06:47 <SteveH> +1 to cygri

+1 to cygri

16:06:57 <PHayes> Richard, you are shooting Andy in the foot here.

Patrick Hayes: Richard, you are shooting Andy in the foot here.

16:07:02 <SteveH> cygri: so a SHOULD isn't string enough to me

Richard Cyganiak: so a SHOULD isn't strong enough to me

16:07:20 <SteveH> ... in turtle I don't see the need

... in turtle I don't see the need

16:07:26 <pchampin> s/string enough/strong enough/
16:07:43 <SteveH> ... would like to see a stronger statement

... would like to see a stronger statement

16:07:43 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

16:07:50 <pchampin> ack me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ack me

16:08:00 <PHayes> Everyone wants the query language to be both semantically transparent and also sensitive to the smallest lexical detail. Cant have it both ways, guys.

Patrick Hayes: Everyone wants the query language to be both semantically transparent and also sensitive to the smallest lexical detail. Cant have it both ways, guys.

16:08:20 <SteveH> pchampin: I agree for need for regularity, but maybe there are differences

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I agree for need for regularity, but maybe there are differences

16:08:28 <SteveH> ... NTriples I see 3 alternatives

... NTriples I see 3 alternatives

16:08:36 <SteveH> ... allow both, bad idea

... allow both, bad idea

16:08:57 <SteveH> ... keep shortest one, best of three, but some iregulariy, string literals must be treated in special way

... keep shortest one, best of three, but some iregulariy, string literals must be treated in special way

16:09:02 <PHayes> How much legacy RDF is there out there that uses one and not the other? Do we ahve a choic eot not allow both?

Patrick Hayes: How much legacy RDF is there out there that uses one and not the other? Do we ahve a choic eot not allow both?

16:09:04 <pfps> I'm feeling very weirded-out by all this SPARQL stuff.  RDF is supposed to be about *meaning*, not syntax, not even abstract syntax!

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm feeling very weirded-out by all this SPARQL stuff. RDF is supposed to be about *meaning*, not syntax, not even abstract syntax!

16:09:07 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:09:10 <SteveH> ... enforce xsd:string, but breaks a lot of existing NTriples

... enforce xsd:string, but breaks a lot of existing NTriples

16:09:27 <SteveH> ... for the sake of back-compat we have to keep shortest form

... for the sake of back-compat we have to keep shortest form

16:09:32 <PHayes> Yes, pfps, but querying is all about syntactic matching. You betcha.

Patrick Hayes: Yes, pfps, but querying is all about syntactic matching. You betcha.

16:09:53 <PHayes> q+

Patrick Hayes: q+

16:10:09 <SteveH> Guus: users typically use the shortest form, but sparql query uses the DT form

Guus Schreiber: users typically use the shortest form, but sparql query uses the DT form

16:10:26 <pfps> Well, not as far as I am concerned.  Querying is about retrieving meaning.  (As opposed to straight entailment, which is simpler.)

Peter Patel-Schneider: Well, not as far as I am concerned. Querying is about retrieving meaning. (As opposed to straight entailment, which is simpler.)

16:10:27 <SteveH> I would be -1 to SPARQL using the long form, that's a lot of bytes

I would be -1 to SPARQL using the long form, that's a lot of bytes

16:10:56 <SteveH> pchampin: I would be in favour of MUST for NTriples and SPARQL res, but not others, but not sure which form is best

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I would be in favour of MUST for NTriples and SPARQL res, but not others, but not sure which form is best

16:11:29 <SteveH> ... both would break some existing data, most reg. form is with the datatype

... both would break some existing data, most reg. form is with the datatype

16:11:31 <SteveH> q+

q+

16:11:33 <PHayes> pfps, so listen to Richard. He wants to make queries which distinguish a from b when a = b is *necessary*. Any why not? Hos code has to handle the suyntax, not the meaning.

Patrick Hayes: pfps, so listen to Richard. He wants to make queries which distinguish a from b when a = b is *necessary*. Any why not? Hos code has to handle the suyntax, not the meaning.

16:11:38 <SteveH> ... explicit is better than implicit

... explicit is better than implicit

16:11:54 <SteveH> ... there are a lot of plain literals out there

... there are a lot of plain literals out there

16:11:55 <ww> less typing, more clarity and consistency - make developers lives easy as possible.

William Waites: less typing, more clarity and consistency - make developers lives easy as possible.

16:12:08 <Guus> ack cygri

Guus Schreiber: ack cygri

16:12:12 <SteveH> cygri: for back compat we have to keep both forms valid

Richard Cyganiak: for back compat we have to keep both forms valid

16:12:24 <ww> +1 cygri

William Waites: +1 cygri

16:12:25 <SteveH> ... we cant say that any forms would now be invalid in NTriples

... we cant say that any forms would now be invalid in NTriples

16:12:28 <SteveH> +1

+1

16:12:37 <Guus> +1 for not using MUST

Guus Schreiber: +1 for not using MUST

16:12:40 <SteveH> ... when parsing both forms are valid, but when serialising, only use one form,

... when parsing both forms are valid, but when serialising, only use one form,

16:12:48 <pchampin> +1, enforced regularity would break backward compatibility

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1, enforced regularity would break backward compatibility

16:13:03 <pchampin> +1 about distinguishing old stuff/new stuff

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 about distinguishing old stuff/new stuff

16:13:07 <SteveH> PHayes: I agree with Richard, there's so much stuff out there, can't make it illigal

Patrick Hayes: I agree with Richard, there's so much stuff out there, can't make it illigal

16:13:33 <SteveH> ... one meaning can be expressed two different ways, the tool should treat them as equivalent

... one meaning can be expressed two different ways, the tool should treat them as equivalent

16:13:52 <Guus> 2 min left

Guus Schreiber: 2 min left

16:13:54 <SteveH> ... is results sensitive to the way the query is stated

... is results sensitive to the way the query is stated

16:13:56 <ww> +1 for tools treating them equivalently (and probably normalising them to w/ datatype internally)

William Waites: +1 for tools treating them equivalently (and probably normalising them to w/ datatype internally)

16:14:29 <ww> +1 for fewer bytes on the wire

William Waites: +1 for fewer bytes on the wire

16:14:50 <PHayes> +1 to SteveH.

Patrick Hayes: +1 to SteveH.

16:15:02 <SteveH> SteveH: the long form is less efficient

Steve Harris: the long form is less efficient

16:15:13 <SteveH> ... even though it's easier to canonicalise to

... even though it's easier to canonicalise to

16:15:15 <pchampin> well, you are trading bandwith for (slight) code complexity

Pierre-Antoine Champin: well, you are trading bandwith for (slight) code complexity

16:15:31 <pchampin> you're just moving the inefficiency somewhere else :)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: you're just moving the inefficiency somewhere else :)

16:15:33 <SteveH> Guus: is someone willing to look at cygri's proposal

Guus Schreiber: is someone willing to look at cygri's proposal

16:15:41 <PHayes> LOL

Patrick Hayes: LOL

16:15:53 <ww> pchampin: not only bandwidth - developers who look at it don't want to see extraneous cruft

Pierre-Antoine Champin: not only bandwidth - developers who look at it don't want to see extraneous cruft [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ]

16:16:16 <SteveH> Guus: next week re restart graphs discussion

Guus Schreiber: next week re restart graphs discussion

16:16:25 <SteveH> ... hopefully can set a dte for graphs naming discussions

... hopefully can set a dte for graphs naming discussions

16:16:29 <cygri> ww, pchampin: by same argument, N-Triples should write 6 for "6"^^xsd:decimal

Richard Cyganiak: ww, pchampin: by same argument, N-Triples should write 6 for "6"^^xsd:decimal

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16:16:36 <AZ> bye

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16:16:42 <pchampin> +1 cygri :)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 cygri :)

16:16:43 <Zakim> -AZ

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16:16:45 <Zakim> -[Sophia]

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16:17:14 <pchampin> bye all

Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye all

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16:17:18 <ww> cygri: that wouldn't be the end of the world, but agree there is a slippery slope

Richard Cyganiak: that wouldn't be the end of the world, but agree there is a slippery slope [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ]

16:17:27 <SteveH> trackbot, end meeting

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16:17:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to propose schedule [1]

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16:17:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to organise telecon with SPARQL WG on graph terminology [4]

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