Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 July 2012

Seen
Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stephen Cresswell, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies
Regrets
Curt Tilmes
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Jun Zhao
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon link
  2. Minutes from F2F3 link
  3. mimetype is text/provenance-notation link
  4. extension of prov-n is .provn link
Topics
  1. Admin

    The minutes from the 3rd Face-to-Face minutes were approved. The group was informed of a new "cross-document" product in the tracker for organization of these issues.

  2. PAQ

    The request for extra features for the PAQ is officially closed.

  3. Finalizing reviews

    Noted already submitted reviews and listed intended reviews. Additional reviews for prov-n wil be provided by Khalid, James, Stian, and Tom. Additional reviews from Sam and Hook will be provided for prov-o. Prov-primer has already had extensive reviews and Simon was busy implementing those suggestions. Prov-constraints will hopefully be ready to review by 19 July.

  4. Last Call Vote

    The group was reminded of the upcoming last call vote on July 12 on prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-n. The group was encouraged to raise any potential blocking issues as soon as possible. Also, if members could not make it to the next call, they were encouraged to express their vote via email.

  5. PROV-N Media Type Application

    Luc went over the proposed application for a mimetype. The group voted to request text/provenance-notation as the mimetype. The group voted that the extension for filenames should be .provn. Finally, Graham agreed to go through the application and to help reword especially around the phrasing of the UTF-8 requirement.

  6. PROV Namespace

    When dereferencing the prov namespace and requesting an RDF content-type, it was unclear what should be returned because the prov namespace is defined not only by prov-o but also by other notes such as prov-aq. (ISSUE-440) Two possible approaches were discussed. One was merging all the definitions defined by the various specs into one file, the other approach was to use owl:imports. Paul agreed to write up the two proposals and circulate for discussion on the mailing list.

14:43:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-irc

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14:43:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:43:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:43:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

14:43:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:43:30 <trackbot> Date: 05 July 2012
14:43:41 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:43:41 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

14:43:52 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:43:57 <pgroth> Scribe: Jun Zhao

(Scribe set to Jun Zhao)

14:44:12 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

14:44:21 <pgroth> Regrets: Curt Tilmes
14:55:35 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:55:42 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

14:56:05 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P9 is me

14:56:05 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:58:46 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

14:58:52 <jun> zakim, ??P18 is me

zakim, ??P18 is me

14:58:52 <Zakim> +jun; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it

14:59:02 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21

14:59:56 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.315.330.aaaa

15:00:12 <tlebo> zakim, who is on the phone?

Timothy Lebo: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, +1.315.330.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, +1.315.330.aaaa

15:00:18 <tlebo> zakim, I am aaaa

Timothy Lebo: zakim, I am aaaa

15:00:27 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it

15:00:29 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, tlebo

15:00:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcheney, tlebo, Luc, stephenc, jun, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, sandro, trackbot, stain

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jcheney, tlebo, Luc, stephenc, jun, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, sandro, trackbot, stain

15:00:56 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:01:06 <Luc> zakim, ??P21 is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, ??P21 is me

15:01:09 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it

15:01:38 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29

15:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

15:02:00 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: The minutes from the 3rd Face-to-Face minutes were approved. The group was informed of a new "cross-document" product in the tracker for organization of these issues.

<pgroth> Summary: The minutes from the 3rd Face-to-Face minutes were approved. The group was informed of a new "cross-document" product in the tracker for organization of these issues.
15:02:10 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-28

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-28

15:02:16 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.131.467.aacc

15:02:19 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon

PROPOSED: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon

15:02:26 <jun> +1

+1

15:02:26 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

15:02:43 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P7 is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P7 is me

15:02:44 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it

15:02:54 <tlebo> 0 (did not attend)

Timothy Lebo: 0 (did not attend)

15:03:01 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:03:04 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:03:15 <Zakim> +Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben

15:03:29 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon

RESOLVED: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon

15:03:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:03:42 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, Ruben is me

15:03:42 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it

15:03:44 <pgroth> Day 1 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-22

Paul Groth: Day 1 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-22

15:03:46 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

Sam Coppens: zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

15:03:46 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

15:03:54 <pgroth> day 2 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-23

Paul Groth: day 2 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-23

15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

15:04:16 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.789.470.aadd

15:04:21 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes from F2F3

PROPOSED: Minutes from F2F3

15:04:23 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P5 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P5 is me

15:04:23 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:04:28 <stain> Zakim: +44.789.470.aadd is me
15:04:33 <jun> +0 (not there all the time)

+0 (not there all the time)

15:04:37 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:04:38 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:04:40 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:04:47 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:04:50 <smiles> 0

Simon Miles: 0

15:04:50 <SamCoppens> +0 (not there)

Sam Coppens: +0 (not there)

15:04:58 <dgarijo> +0 (I wasn't there the whole time)

Daniel Garijo: +0 (I wasn't there the whole time)

15:05:33 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes from F2F3

RESOLVED: Minutes from F2F3

15:05:50 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:06:25 <jun> ACTION-94 Ivan is still on holiday. we can do that later

ACTION-94 Ivan is still on holiday. we can do that later

15:06:25 <trackbot> ACTION-94 Check when we should do internationalization and how for PROV-N notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-94 Check when we should do internationalization and how for PROV-N notes added

15:06:26 <Luc> +q

Luc Moreau: +q

15:06:44 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:07:13 <jun> Luc: is internationalization for just prov-n or all of them?

Luc Moreau: is internationalization for just prov-n or all of them?

15:07:26 <jun> Sandro: for all of them. but we will do it one after another

Sandro Hawke: for all of them. but we will do it one after another

15:07:28 <Luc> -q

Luc Moreau: -q

15:07:49 <jun> Action 97 and 98 on Paulo

ACTION-97 and 98 on Paulo

15:07:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 97

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 97

15:07:51 <sandro> sandro: they might want to review them all at once

Sandro Hawke: they might want to review them all at once [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:08:08 <jun> Action 101 on Curt, will move to after LC

ACTION-101 on Curt, will move to after LC

15:08:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 101

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 101

15:08:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:08:38 <jun> Paul hasn't done his work yet

Paul hasn't done his work yet

15:08:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/14

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/14

15:09:17 <stain> @Jun - you can use "... " as a prefix to say that it is continuation of last person you mentioned

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Jun - you can use "... " as a prefix to say that it is continuation of last person you mentioned

15:09:17 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

15:09:35 <GK> zakim, ??p13 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p13 is me

15:09:36 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:09:37 <jun> ... created a cross-product document

... created a cross-product document

15:09:52 <pgroth> Topic: PAQ

2. PAQ

Summary: The request for extra features for the PAQ is officially closed.

<pgroth> Summary: The request for extra features for the PAQ is officially closed.
15:10:00 <jun> @stain, I know that. but I don't know how to avoid typing actions :)

@stain, I know that. but I don't know how to avoid typing actions :)

15:10:44 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:10:45 <jun> Paul: anyone intending for more feature request for PAQ. otherwise we will close the open call for new features

Paul Groth: anyone intending for more feature request for PAQ. otherwise we will close the open call for new features

15:11:01 <tlebo> @paul, just my prov-pingbacks :-)

Timothy Lebo: @paul, just my prov-pingbacks :-)

15:11:33 <jun> Paul: it's in the issue track. we might start to look at it next week.

Paul Groth: it's in the issue track. we might start to look at it next week.

15:11:39 <pgroth> Topic: Finalizing reviews

3. Finalizing reviews

Summary: Noted already submitted reviews and listed intended reviews. Additional reviews for prov-n wil be provided by Khalid, James, Stian, and Tom. Additional reviews from Sam and Hook will be provided for prov-o. Prov-primer has already had extensive reviews and Simon was busy implementing those suggestions. Prov-constraints will hopefully be ready to review by 19 July.

<pgroth> Summary: Noted already submitted reviews and listed intended reviews. Additional reviews for prov-n wil be provided by Khalid, James, Stian, and Tom. Additional reviews from Sam and Hook will be provided for prov-o. Prov-primer has already had extensive reviews and Simon was busy implementing those suggestions. Prov-constraints will hopefully be ready to review by 19 July.
15:11:50 <tlebo> @jun, tab will auto-complete user names for you. Try to use usernames instead of real names.

Timothy Lebo: @jun, tab will auto-complete user names for you. Try to use usernames instead of real names.

15:12:18 <jun> s/Paul/pgroth/
15:13:07 <jcheney> working on it

James Cheney: working on it

15:13:09 <TomDN> (I sent mine just before the telecon)

Tom De Nies: (I sent mine just before the telecon)

15:13:17 <jun> Luc: we received feedback from khalid and dgarijo, and jun, and jcheney maybe by tomorrow?

Luc Moreau: we received feedback from khalid and dgarijo, and jun, and jcheney maybe by tomorrow?

15:13:33 <jun> ... any other feedback?

... any other feedback?

15:13:37 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

15:14:07 <jun> pgroth: that's all that signed up for. mabye satya, but didn't commit to it

Paul Groth: that's all that signed up for. mabye satya, but didn't commit to it

15:14:14 <jun> ... anyone to feedback by tomorrow?

... anyone to feedback by tomorrow?

15:14:44 <jun> >jc

>jc

15:14:46 <jun> >jc

>jc

15:15:03 <jun> Luc: go through feedback on Monday and hope to finish by next telcom

Luc Moreau: go through feedback on Monday and hope to finish by next telcom

15:15:26 <khalidBelhajjame> I signed up but I haven't provided the feedback yet

Khalid Belhajjame: I signed up but I haven't provided the feedback yet

15:15:29 <jun> Luc: feedback on prov-n; khalid signed up?

Luc Moreau: feedback on prov-n; khalid signed up?

15:15:32 <khalidBelhajjame> will try to send iot tomorrow

Khalid Belhajjame: will try to send iot tomorrow

15:15:51 <jcheney> also working on it

James Cheney: also working on it

15:15:52 <jun> ... jcheney also signed up?

... jcheney also signed up?

15:16:10 <TomDN> I had signed up for the primer, but havent done it yet. I could do prov-N instead?

Tom De Nies: I had signed up for the primer, but havent done it yet. I could do prov-N instead?

15:16:29 <khalidBelhajjame> @Luc, thanks

Khalid Belhajjame: @Luc, thanks

15:16:35 <jun> ... work on the feedback on Wednesday and get ready for the review

... work on the feedback on Wednesday and get ready for the review

15:16:38 <TomDN> ok :)

Tom De Nies: ok :)

15:16:46 <stain> I can volunteer for anything needing reviewer

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I can volunteer for anything needing reviewer

15:17:16 <khalidBelhajjame> that is good for me

Khalid Belhajjame: that is good for me

15:17:20 <jun> Luc: feedback by Tuesday lunch time UK time, will be great

Luc Moreau: feedback by Tuesday lunch time UK time, will be great

15:17:35 <jun> TomDN and stain also on prov-n

TomDN and stain also on prov-n

15:17:40 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:18:12 <jun> tlebo: on prov-o. announced doc to review on tuesday

Timothy Lebo: on prov-o. announced doc to review on tuesday

15:18:39 <jun> ... received feedback from luc and jun and one external review. will incorporate in the next couples of days

... received feedback from luc and jun and one external review. will incorporate in the next couples of days

15:18:47 <jun> ... Monday will do

... Monday will do

15:18:51 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:19:04 <SamCoppens> I will review it also

Sam Coppens: I will review it also

15:19:08 <jun> pgroth: anyone else on prov-o?

Paul Groth: anyone else on prov-o?

15:19:19 <hook> I can also review it.

Hook Hua: I can also review it.

15:19:34 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:19:41 <jun> SamCoppens, hook, and pgroth will also review

SamCoppens, hook, and pgroth will also review

15:20:20 <jun> smiles: on primer. we had a lot of reviews. most of them are small

Simon Miles: on primer. we had a lot of reviews. most of them are small

15:20:38 <jun> .. will try to fix it tomorrow and get it ready by Saturday

.. will try to fix it tomorrow and get it ready by Saturday

15:20:45 <tlebo> @SamCoppens by monday good for you? (Friday would be good, too)

Timothy Lebo: @SamCoppens by monday good for you? (Friday would be good, too)

15:20:57 <tlebo> @hook, same as to @SamCoppens

Timothy Lebo: @hook, same as to @SamCoppens

15:21:32 <jun> pgroth: we will keep primer open to be adjusted according to other docs

Paul Groth: we will keep primer open to be adjusted according to other docs

15:21:43 <SamCoppens> @tlebo sure, that is fine

Sam Coppens: @tlebo sure, that is fine

15:21:53 <hook> by Monday for me.

Hook Hua: by Monday for me.

15:22:02 <tlebo> @SamCoppens @hook thanks!

Timothy Lebo: @SamCoppens @hook thanks!

15:22:19 <jun> jcheney: on prov-constraints. presumed to be ready for review by 19 July. not ready for review now

James Cheney: on prov-constraints. presumed to be ready for review by 19 July. not ready for review now

15:22:44 <TomDN> I'm working through the emails. Hope to catch up soon and provide input

Tom De Nies: I'm working through the emails. Hope to catch up soon and provide input

15:23:08 <jun> ... discussed over emails about what to be done. but not totally converged yet. will have time next week to work together with Luc and Paolo

... discussed over emails about what to be done. but not totally converged yet. will have time next week to work together with Luc and Paolo

15:23:30 <jun> ... aiming for the end of the july

... aiming for the end of the july

15:23:57 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:24:30 <pgroth> Topic: Last Call Vote

4. Last Call Vote

Summary: The group was reminded of the upcoming last call vote on July 12 on prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-n. The group was encouraged to raise any potential blocking issues as soon as possible. Also, if members could not make it to the next call, they were encouraged to express their vote via email.

<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded of the upcoming last call vote on July 12 on prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-n. The group was encouraged to raise any potential blocking issues as soon as possible. Also, if members could not make it to the next call, they were encouraged to express their vote via email.
15:25:01 <jun> pgroth: we will vote on releasing prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-o for last call in the next telcom

Paul Groth: we will vote on releasing prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-o for last call in the next telcom

15:25:15 <jun> ... please express your opinions on the mailing list if you can't make to the call

... please express your opinions on the mailing list if you can't make to the call

15:25:43 <jun> ... would be nice to know well in advance if there are any outstanding issues to block the release for LC

... would be nice to know well in advance if there are any outstanding issues to block the release for LC

15:25:51 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:26:18 <jun> Luc: any feedback, any concern at any time before the vote are welcome

Luc Moreau: any feedback, any concern at any time before the vote are welcome

15:26:22 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:26:30 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-N Media Type Application

5. PROV-N Media Type Application

Summary: Luc went over the proposed application for a mimetype. The group voted to request text/provenance-notation as the mimetype. The group voted that the extension for filenames should be .provn. Finally, Graham agreed to go through the application and to help reword especially around the phrasing of the UTF-8 requirement.

<pgroth> Summary: Luc went over the proposed application for a mimetype. The group voted to request text/provenance-notation as the mimetype. The group voted that the extension for filenames should be .provn. Finally, Graham agreed to go through the application and to help reword especially around the phrasing of the UTF-8 requirement.
15:26:46 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#media-type

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#media-type

15:27:46 <stain> q+ Why not .provn as suggested file extension?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ Why not .provn as suggested file extension?

15:27:49 <jun> Luc: we have to go through the media types before the LC

Luc Moreau: we have to go through the media types before the LC

15:28:02 <stain> +q to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +q to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?

15:28:06 <GK> q+ to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n

Graham Klyne: q+ to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n

15:28:14 <jun> ... there is a draft suggestion in the above link. and look for feedback to text/prov-n

... there is a draft suggestion in the above link. and look for feedback to text/prov-n

15:28:34 <stain> @GK, but it's PROV-N - not any odd provenance text..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @GK, but it's PROV-N - not any odd provenance text..

15:28:38 <tlebo> @gk, that's a bit broad, no?

Timothy Lebo: @gk, that's a bit broad, no?

15:28:43 <stain> GK has expertise

Stian Soiland-Reyes: GK has expertise

15:28:48 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:28:57 <pgroth> ack stain

Paul Groth: ack stain

15:28:57 <Zakim> stain, you wanted to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, you wanted to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?

15:29:14 <jun> stain: your suggestions generally look good

Stian Soiland-Reyes: your suggestions generally look good

15:29:24 <tlebo> stian: .provn ?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: .provn ? [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ]

15:29:30 <TomDN> @gk: we considered both text/prov-n and text/prov at f2f3. (don't recall why we chose prov-n exactly)

Tom De Nies: @gk: we considered both text/prov-n and text/prov at f2f3. (don't recall why we chose prov-n exactly)

15:29:31 <pgroth> ack GK

Paul Groth: ack GK

15:29:31 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n

Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n

15:29:41 <stain> stian: .provn should be somewhat googleable rather than .pn

Stian Soiland-Reyes: .provn should be somewhat googleable rather than .pn [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:30:10 <pgroth> provenance-notation

Paul Groth: provenance-notation

15:30:22 <jun> GK: find text/provn less intuitive to general audience. text/provenance?

Graham Klyne: find text/provn less intuitive to general audience. text/provenance?

15:30:24 <tlebo> provenance-notation seems nice

Timothy Lebo: provenance-notation seems nice

15:30:24 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:30:25 <stain> pgroth: text/provenance-notation reads well

Paul Groth: text/provenance-notation reads well [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:30:37 <stain> @

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @

15:30:48 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:30:58 <TomDN> It is a bit long...

Tom De Nies: It is a bit long...

15:31:02 <tlebo> +1 provenance-notation (length is fine)

Timothy Lebo: +1 provenance-notation (length is fine)

15:31:02 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:31:03 <jun> pgroth: text/provenance-notation looks nice

Paul Groth: text/provenance-notation looks nice

15:31:05 <sandro> why not "prov-notation"

Sandro Hawke: why not "prov-notation"

15:31:08 <jun> GK: length is not the problem

Graham Klyne: length is not the problem

15:31:10 <sandro> since the thing is called "prov"

Sandro Hawke: since the thing is called "prov"

15:31:13 <smiles> agreed that provenance-notation is good

Simon Miles: agreed that provenance-notation is good

15:31:23 <tlebo> application/rdf+xml is "long" , and we get by...

Timothy Lebo: application/rdf+xml is "long" , and we get by...

15:31:26 <pgroth> i think GK

Paul Groth: i think GK

15:31:27 <khalidBelhajjame> prov-notation

Khalid Belhajjame: prov-notation

15:31:31 <jun> sandro: how about text/prov ?

Sandro Hawke: how about text/prov ?

15:31:47 <jcheney> I asked "what about text/prov" at the f2f3 and people said no...

James Cheney: I asked "what about text/prov" at the f2f3 and people said no...

15:31:56 <sandro> sandro: how about text/prov-notation    since prov is the brand name

Sandro Hawke: how about text/prov-notation since prov is the brand name [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:32:19 <stain> .. but it is 'prov' and not 'n' that is the big unknown

Stian Soiland-Reyes: .. but it is 'prov' and not 'n' that is the big unknown

15:32:27 <sandro> (actually, I like text/prov, but I wasn't at the f2f so ignore me)

Sandro Hawke: (actually, I like text/prov, but I wasn't at the f2f so ignore me)

15:32:31 <TomDN> Non-specialist people didn't know what text/css was either in the beginning...

Tom De Nies: Non-specialist people didn't know what text/css was either in the beginning...

15:32:35 <pgroth> what about prov-provenance

Paul Groth: what about prov-provenance

15:32:37 <tlebo> why bother shortening it?

Timothy Lebo: why bother shortening it?

15:32:48 <tlebo> provenance-notation - tell people what it is :-)

Timothy Lebo: provenance-notation - tell people what it is :-)

15:32:52 <stain> or text/html or application/xml or image/png

Stian Soiland-Reyes: or text/html or application/xml or image/png

15:33:04 <pgroth> the title of the document is PROV-N: The Provenance Notation

Paul Groth: the title of the document is PROV-N: The Provenance Notation

15:33:15 <TomDN> and they didn't make it text/cascading-stylesheet either.

Tom De Nies: and they didn't make it text/cascading-stylesheet either.

15:33:23 <stain> so "Provenance Notation" would be quite googleable as well

Stian Soiland-Reyes: so "Provenance Notation" would be quite googleable as well

15:33:29 <Luc> what about a straw pall on prov-notation and provenance-notation?

Luc Moreau: what about a straw pall on prov-notation and provenance-notation?

15:33:31 <jun> GK: provn might not tell people what this is about. we have to think this might be for people out of the w3c community

Graham Klyne: provn might not tell people what this is about. we have to think this might be for people out of the w3c community

15:33:57 <jun> pgroth: we need this before the last call

Paul Groth: we need this before the last call

15:34:24 <pgroth> straw poll: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

Paul Groth: straw poll: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

15:34:25 <stain> multiple votes allowed or first choice?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: multiple votes allowed or first choice?

15:34:26 <jun> Luc: shall we run a poll

Luc Moreau: shall we run a poll

15:34:34 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:34:41 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:34:42 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:34:43 <jun> +1

+1

15:34:45 <stephenc> +1

Stephen Cresswell: +1

15:34:46 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:34:47 <TomDN> +0 (not wild about it, but don't want to block anything either)

Tom De Nies: +0 (not wild about it, but don't want to block anything either)

15:34:50 <jcheney> 0 (not sure)

James Cheney: 0 (not sure)

15:34:51 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:34:51 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:34:57 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:34:58 <tlebo> @stian, if you want something else, do a -1

Timothy Lebo: @stian, if you want something else, do a -1

15:35:05 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:35:05 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (don't mind either of the two options)

Khalid Belhajjame: +0 (don't mind either of the two options)

15:35:12 <jcheney> meh...

James Cheney: meh...

15:35:23 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:35:40 <hook> +0 (should be consistant across the brand?)

Hook Hua: +0 (should be consistant across the brand?)

15:35:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype is text/prov-notation

Paul Groth: straw poll mimetype is text/prov-notation

15:35:55 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:35:56 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:35:57 <jun> 0

0

15:35:57 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:36:00 <dgarijo> +0

Daniel Garijo: +0

15:36:16 <Paolo> 0

Paolo Missier: 0

15:36:17 <tlebo> +0 (better than text/prov-n, though)

Timothy Lebo: +0 (better than text/prov-n, though)

15:36:18 <zednik> +0

Stephan Zednik: +0

15:36:19 <SamCoppens> 0

Sam Coppens: 0

15:36:20 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:36:22 <jcheney> 0 (why abbreviate part?)

James Cheney: 0 (why abbreviate part?)

15:36:56 <Luc> any other suggestion?

Luc Moreau: any other suggestion?

15:37:06 <stain> text/prov-n   was the original suggestion

Stian Soiland-Reyes: text/prov-n was the original suggestion

15:37:09 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (either way is fine with me)

Khalid Belhajjame: +0 (either way is fine with me)

15:37:15 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:37:20 <sandro> and text/prov seems to me, naively, to make sense.

Sandro Hawke: and text/prov seems to me, naively, to make sense.

15:37:31 <sandro> (but ignore me if you like)

Sandro Hawke: (but ignore me if you like)

15:37:45 <GK> (I'm squinting at the text around charset - I think it's OK, but I note that (IIRC) default  all text/* content-types default to US-ASCII.  That jars slightly with "The encoding is always UTF-8 [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#bib-UTF-8]")

Graham Klyne: (I'm squinting at the text around charset - I think it's OK, but I note that (IIRC) default all text/* content-types default to US-ASCII. That jars slightly with "The encoding is always UTF-8 [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#bib-UTF-8]")

15:37:47 <TomDN> @sandro: I like that one as well

Tom De Nies: @sandro: I like that one as well

15:37:47 <jun> pgroth: anyone wants to vote on prov-n?

Paul Groth: anyone wants to vote on prov-n?

15:37:50 <stain> I would do +1 on text/prov-n as well - so basically all my votes are 0..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I would do +1 on text/prov-n as well - so basically all my votes are 0..

15:37:52 <jcheney> I'd support text/prov or text/prov-n but not block other two...

James Cheney: I'd support text/prov or text/prov-n but not block other two...

15:38:03 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:38:29 <stain> @GK, what do Turtle say on this?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @GK, what do Turtle say on this?

15:38:35 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:38:36 <GK> I'll try and provide some wording next week.

Graham Klyne: I'll try and provide some wording next week.

15:38:45 <jun> Luc: would really like feedback from expertise.

Luc Moreau: would really like feedback from expertise.

15:39:02 <stain> "The media type of Turtle is text/turtle (pre-registration media type application/x-turtle should be accepted). The content encoding of Turtle content is always UTF-8. Charset parameters on the mime type are required until such time as the text/ media type tree permits UTF-8 to be sent without a charset parameter"

Stian Soiland-Reyes: "The media type of Turtle is text/turtle (pre-registration media type application/x-turtle should be accepted). The content encoding of Turtle content is always UTF-8. Charset parameters on the mime type are required until such time as the text/ media type tree permits UTF-8 to be sent without a charset parameter"

15:39:43 <stain> I agree on always UTF-8 as long as the wording requires encoding to be UTF-8.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I agree on always UTF-8 as long as the wording requires encoding to be UTF-8.

15:39:51 <stain> We can say "The only supported encoding is UTF-8"

Stian Soiland-Reyes: We can say "The only supported encoding is UTF-8"

15:40:24 <jun> GK: some re-wording in some places might help

Graham Klyne: some re-wording in some places might help

15:40:54 <jun> Luc: maybe we can work on this together offline? it was copied from sparql or turtle? (can't hear it properly)

Luc Moreau: maybe we can work on this together offline? it was copied from sparql or turtle? (can't hear it properly)

15:41:17 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:41:21 <jun> GK: can help with this next week

Graham Klyne: can help with this next week

15:41:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype type text/prov-n

Paul Groth: straw poll mimetype type text/prov-n

15:41:48 <GK> I'm OK with text/prov too.

Graham Klyne: I'm OK with text/prov too.

15:41:48 <jun> pgroth: jcheney wanted to have a poll on the original

Paul Groth: jcheney wanted to have a poll on the original

15:41:51 <smiles> +0.5

Simon Miles: +0.5

15:41:52 <tlebo> -1

Timothy Lebo: -1

15:41:55 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:41:56 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:42:00 <SamCoppens> 0

Sam Coppens: 0

15:42:00 <dgarijo> +0

Daniel Garijo: +0

15:42:01 <GK> -1 to text/prov-n

Graham Klyne: -1 to text/prov-n

15:42:02 <jun> 0

0

15:42:05 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:42:05 <khalidBelhajjame> 0

Khalid Belhajjame: 0

15:42:12 <stephenc> 0

Stephen Cresswell: 0

15:42:15 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:42:22 <zednik> -0.5

Stephan Zednik: -0.5

15:42:42 <pgroth> proposed: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

PROPOSED: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

15:42:53 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:42:54 <TomDN> +0

Tom De Nies: +0

15:42:56 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:42:58 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:42:58 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:42:59 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:42:59 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:43:02 <stephenc> +1

Stephen Cresswell: +1

15:43:02 <jcheney> 0

James Cheney: 0

15:43:03 <jun> +1

+1

15:43:05 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:43:10 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:43:19 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:43:21 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:43:24 <stain> (going off-irc)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: (going off-irc)

15:43:36 <pgroth> accepted: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

RESOLVED: mimetype is text/provenance-notation

15:43:36 <Luc> and .provn as extension?

Luc Moreau: and .provn as extension?

15:43:45 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .provn

PROPOSED: extension is .provn

15:43:48 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:43:55 <jun> +1

+1

15:44:03 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:44:05 <jun> stain: +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:44:14 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:44:15 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:44:17 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:44:17 <GK> 0

Graham Klyne: 0

15:44:18 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:44:25 <TomDN> +0

Tom De Nies: +0

15:44:31 <zednik> 0

Stephan Zednik: 0

15:44:38 <satya> 0

Satya Sahoo: 0

15:44:46 <tlebo> 0 (to avoid holding it up, .pn seemed cleaner and looks less like bad file contents)

Timothy Lebo: 0 (to avoid holding it up, .pn seemed cleaner and looks less like bad file contents)

15:45:04 <pgroth> accepted: extension of prov-n is .provn

RESOLVED: extension of prov-n is .provn

15:45:09 <TomDN> (just curious: are there any other 5 character extensions you know of?)

Tom De Nies: (just curious: are there any other 5 character extensions you know of?)

15:45:31 <jun> Luc: a vote on .pn too?

Luc Moreau: a vote on .pn too?

15:45:35 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .pn

PROPOSED: extension is .pn

15:45:40 <stainPhone> -1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: -1

15:45:43 <smiles> 0

Simon Miles: 0

15:45:48 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:45:49 <GK> 0

Graham Klyne: 0

15:45:54 <jun> -1

-1

15:45:55 <Paolo> 0

Paolo Missier: 0

15:45:56 <TomDN> +0

Tom De Nies: +0

15:45:57 <dgarijo> 0

Daniel Garijo: 0

15:45:57 <jcheney> 0

James Cheney: 0

15:45:58 <SamCoppens> 0

Sam Coppens: 0

15:46:05 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:46:08 <satya> 0

Satya Sahoo: 0

15:46:10 <hook> 0

Hook Hua: 0

15:46:10 <khalidBelhajjame> 0

Khalid Belhajjame: 0

15:46:11 <tlebo> (.pn looks like a mistyped .png...)

Timothy Lebo: (.pn looks like a mistyped .png...)

15:46:21 <smiles> @TomDN you get .xhtml sometimes

Simon Miles: @TomDN you get .xhtml sometimes

15:46:33 <Luc> thanks

Luc Moreau: thanks

15:46:57 <pgroth> Topic: PROV Namespace

6. PROV Namespace

Summary: When dereferencing the prov namespace and requesting an RDF content-type, it was unclear what should be returned because the prov namespace is defined not only by prov-o but also by other notes such as prov-aq. (ISSUE-440) Two possible approaches were discussed. One was merging all the definitions defined by the various specs into one file, the other approach was to use owl:imports. Paul agreed to write up the two proposals and circulate for discussion on the mailing list.

<pgroth> Summary: When dereferencing the prov namespace and requesting an RDF content-type, it was unclear what should be returned because the prov namespace is defined  not only by prov-o but also by other notes such as prov-aq. (ISSUE-440) Two possible approaches were discussed. One was merging all the definitions defined by the various specs into one file, the other approach was to use owl:imports. Paul agreed to write up the two proposals and circulate for discussion on the mailing list.
15:47:24 <dgarijo> @tlebo: I won't even tell you what does it looks like in spanish :)

Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: I won't even tell you what does it looks like in spanish :)

15:47:34 <jun> pgroth: paq defined some terms using the prov namespace

Paul Groth: paq defined some terms using the prov namespace

15:47:45 <tlebo> @dgarijo You're right, I don't want to know.

Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo You're right, I don't want to know.

15:47:56 <stainPhone> Solved by using slash rather than hash

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Solved by using slash rather than hash

15:48:05 <tlebo> @stian, yes.

Timothy Lebo: @stian, yes.

15:48:27 <stainPhone> That is the main motivation for slash

Stian Soiland-Reyes: That is the main motivation for slash

15:48:31 <jun> ... we want to get the owl definition for a term when using curl

... we want to get the owl definition for a term when using curl

15:49:03 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:49:07 <tlebo> @pgroth I hadn't thought of concatenating, I think worth considering.

Timothy Lebo: @pgroth I hadn't thought of concatenating, I think worth considering.

15:49:27 <jun> ... look for suggestions to solve the problem by keeping the namespace as it is

... look for suggestions to solve the problem by keeping the namespace as it is

15:50:09 <dgarijo> @tlebo: they are already included, right?

Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: they are already included, right?

15:50:41 <stainPhone> Namespace can resolve to owl that imports other owls, one for provo, one for note, one for dictionary..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Namespace can resolve to owl that imports other owls, one for provo, one for note, one for dictionary..

15:51:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:51:44 <Zakim> -??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14

15:51:44 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

15:51:49 <pgroth> can you fill in luc

Paul Groth: can you fill in luc

15:51:53 <Luc> yes

Luc Moreau: yes

15:52:07 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

15:52:08 <pgroth> back

Paul Groth: back

15:52:08 <stainPhone> Owl in provo spec  part of rec, but not what is at namespace

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Owl in provo spec part of rec, but not what is at namespace

15:52:13 <Luc> ok

Luc Moreau: ok

15:52:19 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P9 is me

15:52:19 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

15:52:29 <jcheney> I've been dropped, have to go now anyway...

James Cheney: I've been dropped, have to go now anyway...

15:52:29 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:52:32 <Zakim> - +44.131.467.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.131.467.aacc

15:52:44 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:53:08 <Luc> can someone reexplain this concatenation for me? thanks

Luc Moreau: can someone reexplain this concatenation for me? thanks

15:53:24 <stainPhone> +q

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +q

15:53:26 <GK> But at some point, the form *will* occur - I think.

Graham Klyne: But at some point, the fork *will* occur - I think.

15:53:36 <GK> s/form/fork/
15:54:04 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:54:11 <pgroth> ack stainPhone

Paul Groth: ack stainPhone

15:54:23 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

15:55:04 <jun> [ I don't quite understand the conversation. can someone else scribe for this part? thanks]

[ I don't quite understand the conversation. can someone else scribe for this part? thanks]

15:55:21 <tlebo> +1 to what Stian is suggesting, resolving the namespace simply returns some owl:imports

Timothy Lebo: +1 to what Stian is suggesting, resolving the namespace simply returns some owl:imports

15:55:29 <GK> We could add rdfs:comment that makes it clear the extra terms are not part of the PROV-O standard?

Graham Klyne: We could add rdfs:comment that makes it clear the extra terms are not part of the PROV-O standard?

15:55:31 <tlebo> +1 to @pgroth to avoiding renaming the namespace.

Timothy Lebo: +1 to @pgroth to avoiding renaming the namespace.

15:55:35 <sandro> stain: if we use a slash instead of a hash, then we could redirect flexibly

Stian Soiland-Reyes: if we use a slash instead of a hash, then we could redirect flexibly [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:56:02 <sandro> stain: when we decided on hash, we didnt habe these modules

Stian Soiland-Reyes: when we decided on hash, we didnt habe these modules [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:56:03 <satya> +1 @Stian

Satya Sahoo: +1 @Stian

15:56:15 <tlebo> @satya, which of stian's comments?

Timothy Lebo: @satya, which of stian's comments?

15:56:27 <GK> But the owl:imports won't be visible to non-OWL applications.

Graham Klyne: But the owl:imports won't be visible to non-OWL applications.

15:56:49 <stainPhone> Yes, breaks rdfs

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Yes, breaks rdfs

15:56:53 <tlebo> @pgroth can't we do both, and include a few prov assertions about how the concat was derived?

Timothy Lebo: @pgroth can't we do both, and include a few prov assertions about how the concat was derived?

15:57:07 <GK> Dogfood!

Graham Klyne: Dogfood!

15:57:42 <jun> pgroth: I can write up the 2 proposals and put onto the mailing list for discussions

Paul Groth: I can write up the 2 proposals and put onto the mailing list for discussions

15:57:43 <satya> slash instead of hash - fits with file system approach

Satya Sahoo: slash instead of hash - fits with file system approach

15:57:44 <tlebo> I think we can work a reasonable solution out of these two imports/concat approaches.

Timothy Lebo: I think we can work a reasonable solution out of these two imports/concat approaches.

15:58:11 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

15:58:12 <Luc> bye bye

Luc Moreau: bye bye

15:58:15 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

15:58:15 <stainPhone> Redirect to a note which explains the diff modules

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Redirect to a note which explains the diff modules

15:58:15 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

15:58:17 <dgarijo> bye!

Daniel Garijo: bye!

15:58:18 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

15:58:19 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

15:58:19 <SamCoppens> bye

Sam Coppens: bye

15:58:20 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:58:22 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

15:58:23 <TomDN> bye

Tom De Nies: bye

15:58:23 <Zakim> -??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P29

15:58:23 <Zakim> -jun

Zakim IRC Bot: -jun

15:58:25 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidBelhajjame

15:58:25 <Zakim> -??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10

15:58:26 <Zakim> - +44.789.470.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.789.470.aadd

15:58:28 <Zakim> -TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN

15:58:46 <Zakim> -??P25

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15:58:49 <pgroth> rrsagent, set logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, set logs public

15:58:54 <Zakim> -??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14

15:58:55 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:58:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-minutes.html pgroth

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15:59:00 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon

15:59:00 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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15:59:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, jun, sandro, +1.315.330.aaaa, tlebo, Luc, +1.818.731.aabb, +44.131.467.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, [IPcaller], TomDN, SamCoppens,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, jun, sandro, +1.315.330.aaaa, tlebo, Luc, +1.818.731.aabb, +44.131.467.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, [IPcaller], TomDN, SamCoppens,

15:59:03 <Zakim> ... +44.789.470.aadd, dgarijo, GK, Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.789.470.aadd, dgarijo, GK, Satya_Sahoo

15:59:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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15:59:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot

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15:59:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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15:59:09 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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