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14:43:25 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #prov 14:43:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-irc 14:43:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:43:27 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #prov 14:43:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 14:43:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 14:43:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference 14:43:30 <trackbot> Date: 05 July 2012 14:43:41 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV 14:43:41 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 14:43:52 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth 14:43:57 <pgroth> Scribe: Jun Zhao 14:44:12 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public 14:44:21 <pgroth> Regrets: Curt Tilmes 14:55:35 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started 14:55:42 <Zakim> +??P9 14:56:05 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me 14:56:05 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it 14:58:17 <jun> jun has joined #prov 14:58:46 <Zakim> +??P18 14:58:52 <jun> zakim, ??P18 is me 14:58:52 <Zakim> +jun; got it 14:59:02 <Zakim> +sandro 14:59:39 <stephenc> stephenc has joined #prov 14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P21 14:59:53 <Luc> Luc has joined #prov 14:59:56 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aaaa 15:00:03 <tlebo> tlebo has joined #prov 15:00:12 <tlebo> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, +1.315.330.aaaa 15:00:18 <tlebo> zakim, I am aaaa 15:00:27 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it 15:00:29 <Luc> zakim, who is here? 15:00:39 <jcheney> jcheney has joined #prov 15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, tlebo 15:00:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcheney, tlebo, Luc, stephenc, jun, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, sandro, trackbot, stain 15:00:56 <Zakim> +??P25 15:01:06 <Luc> zakim, ??P21 is me 15:01:09 <Zakim> +Luc; got it 15:01:09 <hook> hook has joined #prov 15:01:38 <Zakim> +??P29 15:01:47 <christine> christine has joined #prov 15:01:53 <khalidBelhajjame> khalidBelhajjame has joined #prov 15:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb 15:02:00 <pgroth> Topic: Admin <pgroth> Summary: The minutes from the 3rd Face-to-Face minutes were approved. The group was informed of a new "cross-document" product in the tracker for organization of these issues. 15:02:10 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-28 15:02:16 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aacc 15:02:19 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon 15:02:26 <jun> +1 15:02:26 <Zakim> +??P7 15:02:33 <TomDN> TomDN has joined #prov 15:02:40 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has joined #prov 15:02:43 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P7 is me 15:02:44 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it 15:02:54 <tlebo> 0 (did not attend) 15:03:01 <jcheney> +1 15:03:04 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 15:03:15 <Zakim> +Ruben 15:03:27 <smiles> smiles has joined #prov 15:03:29 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon 15:03:32 <dgarijo> dgarijo has joined #prov 15:03:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:03:42 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me 15:03:42 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it 15:03:44 <pgroth> Day 1 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-22 15:03:46 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN 15:03:46 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it 15:03:54 <pgroth> day 2 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-23 15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P5 15:04:16 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aadd 15:04:21 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes from F2F3 15:04:23 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P5 is me 15:04:23 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it 15:04:28 <stain> Zakim: +44.789.470.aadd is me 15:04:33 <jun> +0 (not there all the time) 15:04:37 <TomDN> +1 15:04:38 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 15:04:40 <jcheney> +1 15:04:47 <tlebo> +1 15:04:50 <smiles> 0 15:04:50 <SamCoppens> +0 (not there) 15:04:58 <dgarijo> +0 (I wasn't there the whole time) 15:05:27 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 15:05:33 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes from F2F3 15:05:50 <Zakim> +??P4 15:06:25 <jun> ACTION-94 Ivan is still on holiday. we can do that later 15:06:25 <trackbot> ACTION-94 Check when we should do internationalization and how for PROV-N notes added 15:06:26 <Luc> +q 15:06:44 <pgroth> ack Luc 15:07:11 <GK> GK has joined #prov 15:07:13 <jun> Luc: is internationalization for just prov-n or all of them? 15:07:26 <jun> Sandro: for all of them. but we will do it one after another 15:07:28 <Luc> -q 15:07:49 <jun> Action 97 and 98 on Paulo 15:07:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 97 15:07:51 <sandro> sandro: they might want to review them all at once 15:08:08 <jun> Action 101 on Curt, will move to after LC 15:08:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 101 15:08:36 <pgroth> q? 15:08:38 <jun> Paul hasn't done his work yet 15:08:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/14 15:09:17 <stain> @Jun - you can use "... " as a prefix to say that it is continuation of last person you mentioned 15:09:17 <Zakim> +??P13 15:09:35 <GK> zakim, ??p13 is me 15:09:36 <Zakim> +GK; got it 15:09:37 <jun> ... created a cross-product document 15:09:52 <pgroth> Topic: PAQ <pgroth> Summary: The request for extra features for the PAQ is officially closed. 15:10:00 <jun> @stain, I know that. but I don't know how to avoid typing actions :) 15:10:44 <pgroth> q? 15:10:45 <jun> Paul: anyone intending for more feature request for PAQ. otherwise we will close the open call for new features 15:11:01 <tlebo> @paul, just my prov-pingbacks :-) 15:11:33 <jun> Paul: it's in the issue track. we might start to look at it next week. 15:11:39 <pgroth> Topic: Finalizing reviews <pgroth> Summary: Noted already submitted reviews and listed intended reviews. Additional reviews for prov-n wil be provided by Khalid, James, Stian, and Tom. Additional reviews from Sam and Hook will be provided for prov-o. Prov-primer has already had extensive reviews and Simon was busy implementing those suggestions. Prov-constraints will hopefully be ready to review by 19 July. 15:11:50 <tlebo> @jun, tab will auto-complete user names for you. Try to use usernames instead of real names. 15:12:18 <jun> s/Paul/pgroth/ 15:13:07 <jcheney> working on it 15:13:09 <TomDN> (I sent mine just before the telecon) 15:13:17 <jun> Luc: we received feedback from khalid and dgarijo, and jun, and jcheney maybe by tomorrow? 15:13:33 <jun> ... any other feedback? 15:13:37 <Zakim> +??P14 15:13:40 <zednik> zednik has joined #prov 15:14:07 <jun> pgroth: that's all that signed up for. mabye satya, but didn't commit to it 15:14:14 <jun> ... anyone to feedback by tomorrow? 15:14:44 <jun> >jc 15:14:46 <jun> >jc 15:15:03 <jun> Luc: go through feedback on Monday and hope to finish by next telcom 15:15:26 <khalidBelhajjame> I signed up but I haven't provided the feedback yet 15:15:29 <jun> Luc: feedback on prov-n; khalid signed up? 15:15:32 <khalidBelhajjame> will try to send iot tomorrow 15:15:51 <jcheney> also working on it 15:15:52 <jun> ... jcheney also signed up? 15:16:10 <TomDN> I had signed up for the primer, but havent done it yet. I could do prov-N instead? 15:16:29 <khalidBelhajjame> @Luc, thanks 15:16:35 <jun> ... work on the feedback on Wednesday and get ready for the review 15:16:38 <TomDN> ok :) 15:16:46 <stain> I can volunteer for anything needing reviewer 15:17:16 <khalidBelhajjame> that is good for me 15:17:20 <jun> Luc: feedback by Tuesday lunch time UK time, will be great 15:17:35 <jun> TomDN and stain also on prov-n 15:17:40 <pgroth> q? 15:18:12 <jun> tlebo: on prov-o. announced doc to review on tuesday 15:18:39 <jun> ... received feedback from luc and jun and one external review. will incorporate in the next couples of days 15:18:47 <jun> ... Monday will do 15:18:51 <pgroth> q? 15:19:04 <SamCoppens> I will review it also 15:19:08 <jun> pgroth: anyone else on prov-o? 15:19:19 <hook> I can also review it. 15:19:34 <pgroth> q? 15:19:41 <jun> SamCoppens, hook, and pgroth will also review 15:20:20 <jun> smiles: on primer. we had a lot of reviews. most of them are small 15:20:38 <jun> .. will try to fix it tomorrow and get it ready by Saturday 15:20:45 <tlebo> @SamCoppens by monday good for you? (Friday would be good, too) 15:20:57 <tlebo> @hook, same as to @SamCoppens 15:21:32 <jun> pgroth: we will keep primer open to be adjusted according to other docs 15:21:43 <SamCoppens> @tlebo sure, that is fine 15:21:53 <hook> by Monday for me. 15:22:02 <tlebo> @SamCoppens @hook thanks! 15:22:19 <jun> jcheney: on prov-constraints. presumed to be ready for review by 19 July. not ready for review now 15:22:44 <TomDN> I'm working through the emails. Hope to catch up soon and provide input 15:23:08 <jun> ... discussed over emails about what to be done. but not totally converged yet. will have time next week to work together with Luc and Paolo 15:23:30 <jun> ... aiming for the end of the july 15:23:57 <pgroth> q? 15:24:30 <pgroth> Topic: Last Call Vote <pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded of the upcoming last call vote on July 12 on prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-n. The group was encouraged to raise any potential blocking issues as soon as possible. Also, if members could not make it to the next call, they were encouraged to express their vote via email. 15:25:01 <jun> pgroth: we will vote on releasing prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-o for last call in the next telcom 15:25:15 <jun> ... please express your opinions on the mailing list if you can't make to the call 15:25:43 <jun> ... would be nice to know well in advance if there are any outstanding issues to block the release for LC 15:25:51 <pgroth> q? 15:26:18 <jun> Luc: any feedback, any concern at any time before the vote are welcome 15:26:22 <pgroth> q? 15:26:30 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-N Media Type Application <pgroth> Summary: Luc went over the proposed application for a mimetype. The group voted to request text/provenance-notation as the mimetype. The group voted that the extension for filenames should be .provn. Finally, Graham agreed to go through the application and to help reword especially around the phrasing of the UTF-8 requirement. 15:26:46 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#media-type 15:27:46 <stain> q+ Why not .provn as suggested file extension? 15:27:49 <jun> Luc: we have to go through the media types before the LC 15:28:02 <stain> +q to suggest .provn as suggested file extension? 15:28:06 <GK> q+ to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n 15:28:14 <jun> ... there is a draft suggestion in the above link. and look for feedback to text/prov-n 15:28:34 <stain> @GK, but it's PROV-N - not any odd provenance text.. 15:28:38 <tlebo> @gk, that's a bit broad, no? 15:28:43 <stain> GK has expertise 15:28:48 <pgroth> q? 15:28:57 <pgroth> ack stain 15:28:57 <Zakim> stain, you wanted to suggest .provn as suggested file extension? 15:29:14 <jun> stain: your suggestions generally look good 15:29:24 <tlebo> stian: .provn ? 15:29:30 <TomDN> @gk: we considered both text/prov-n and text/prov at f2f3. (don't recall why we chose prov-n exactly) 15:29:31 <pgroth> ack GK 15:29:31 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n 15:29:41 <stain> stian: .provn should be somewhat googleable rather than .pn 15:30:10 <pgroth> provenance-notation 15:30:22 <jun> GK: find text/provn less intuitive to general audience. text/provenance? 15:30:24 <tlebo> provenance-notation seems nice 15:30:24 <pgroth> q? 15:30:25 <stain> pgroth: text/provenance-notation reads well 15:30:37 <stain> @ 15:30:48 <pgroth> q? 15:30:58 <TomDN> It is a bit long... 15:31:02 <tlebo> +1 provenance-notation (length is fine) 15:31:02 <pgroth> q? 15:31:03 <jun> pgroth: text/provenance-notation looks nice 15:31:05 <sandro> why not "prov-notation" 15:31:08 <jun> GK: length is not the problem 15:31:10 <sandro> since the thing is called "prov" 15:31:13 <smiles> agreed that provenance-notation is good 15:31:23 <tlebo> application/rdf+xml is "long" , and we get by... 15:31:26 <pgroth> i think GK 15:31:27 <khalidBelhajjame> prov-notation 15:31:31 <jun> sandro: how about text/prov ? 15:31:47 <jcheney> I asked "what about text/prov" at the f2f3 and people said no... 15:31:56 <sandro> sandro: how about text/prov-notation since prov is the brand name 15:32:19 <stain> .. but it is 'prov' and not 'n' that is the big unknown 15:32:27 <sandro> (actually, I like text/prov, but I wasn't at the f2f so ignore me) 15:32:31 <TomDN> Non-specialist people didn't know what text/css was either in the beginning... 15:32:35 <pgroth> what about prov-provenance 15:32:37 <tlebo> why bother shortening it? 15:32:48 <tlebo> provenance-notation - tell people what it is :-) 15:32:52 <stain> or text/html or application/xml or image/png 15:33:04 <pgroth> the title of the document is PROV-N: The Provenance Notation 15:33:15 <TomDN> and they didn't make it text/cascading-stylesheet either. 15:33:23 <stain> so "Provenance Notation" would be quite googleable as well 15:33:29 <Luc> what about a straw pall on prov-notation and provenance-notation? 15:33:31 <jun> GK: provn might not tell people what this is about. we have to think this might be for people out of the w3c community 15:33:57 <jun> pgroth: we need this before the last call 15:34:24 <pgroth> straw poll: mimetype is text/provenance-notation 15:34:25 <stain> multiple votes allowed or first choice? 15:34:26 <jun> Luc: shall we run a poll 15:34:34 <SamCoppens> +1 15:34:41 <GK> +1 15:34:42 <tlebo> +1 15:34:43 <jun> +1 15:34:45 <stephenc> +1 15:34:46 <zednik> +1 15:34:47 <TomDN> +0 (not wild about it, but don't want to block anything either) 15:34:50 <jcheney> 0 (not sure) 15:34:51 <smiles> +1 15:34:51 <sandro> 0 15:34:57 <stain> +1 15:34:58 <tlebo> @stian, if you want something else, do a -1 15:35:05 <Paolo> +1 15:35:05 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (don't mind either of the two options) 15:35:12 <jcheney> meh... 15:35:23 <dgarijo> +1 15:35:40 <hook> +0 (should be consistant across the brand?) 15:35:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype is text/prov-notation 15:35:55 <smiles> +1 15:35:56 <GK> +1 15:35:57 <jun> 0 15:35:57 <stain> +1 15:36:00 <dgarijo> +0 15:36:16 <Paolo> 0 15:36:17 <tlebo> +0 (better than text/prov-n, though) 15:36:18 <zednik> +0 15:36:19 <SamCoppens> 0 15:36:20 <sandro> +1 15:36:22 <jcheney> 0 (why abbreviate part?) 15:36:50 <satya> satya has joined #prov 15:36:56 <Luc> any other suggestion? 15:37:06 <stain> text/prov-n was the original suggestion 15:37:09 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (either way is fine with me) 15:37:15 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo 15:37:20 <sandro> and text/prov seems to me, naively, to make sense. 15:37:31 <sandro> (but ignore me if you like) 15:37:45 <GK> (I'm squinting at the text around charset - I think it's OK, but I note that (IIRC) default all text/* content-types default to US-ASCII. That jars slightly with "The encoding is always UTF-8 [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#bib-UTF-8]") 15:37:47 <TomDN> @sandro: I like that one as well 15:37:47 <jun> pgroth: anyone wants to vote on prov-n? 15:37:50 <stain> I would do +1 on text/prov-n as well - so basically all my votes are 0.. 15:37:52 <jcheney> I'd support text/prov or text/prov-n but not block other two... 15:38:03 <Luc> q+ 15:38:29 <stain> @GK, what do Turtle say on this? 15:38:35 <pgroth> ack Luc 15:38:36 <GK> I'll try and provide some wording next week. 15:38:45 <jun> Luc: would really like feedback from expertise. 15:39:02 <stain> "The media type of Turtle is text/turtle (pre-registration media type application/x-turtle should be accepted). The content encoding of Turtle content is always UTF-8. Charset parameters on the mime type are required until such time as the text/ media type tree permits UTF-8 to be sent without a charset parameter" 15:39:43 <stain> I agree on always UTF-8 as long as the wording requires encoding to be UTF-8. 15:39:51 <stain> We can say "The only supported encoding is UTF-8" 15:40:24 <jun> GK: some re-wording in some places might help 15:40:54 <jun> Luc: maybe we can work on this together offline? it was copied from sparql or turtle? (can't hear it properly) 15:41:17 <pgroth> q? 15:41:21 <jun> GK: can help with this next week 15:41:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype type text/prov-n 15:41:48 <GK> I'm OK with text/prov too. 15:41:48 <jun> pgroth: jcheney wanted to have a poll on the original 15:41:51 <smiles> +0.5 15:41:52 <tlebo> -1 15:41:55 <TomDN> +1 15:41:56 <jcheney> +1 15:42:00 <SamCoppens> 0 15:42:00 <dgarijo> +0 15:42:01 <GK> -1 to text/prov-n 15:42:02 <jun> 0 15:42:05 <stain> +1 15:42:05 <khalidBelhajjame> 0 15:42:12 <stephenc> 0 15:42:15 <sandro> +1 15:42:22 <zednik> -0.5 15:42:42 <pgroth> proposed: mimetype is text/provenance-notation 15:42:53 <stain> +1 15:42:54 <TomDN> +0 15:42:56 <tlebo> +1 15:42:58 <GK> +1 15:42:58 <smiles> +1 15:42:59 <dgarijo> +1 15:42:59 <SamCoppens> +1 15:43:02 <stephenc> +1 15:43:02 <jcheney> 0 15:43:03 <jun> +1 15:43:05 <satya> +1 15:43:10 <Paolo> +1 15:43:19 <zednik> +1 15:43:21 <sandro> 0 15:43:24 <stain> (going off-irc) 15:43:36 <pgroth> accepted: mimetype is text/provenance-notation 15:43:36 <Luc> and .provn as extension? 15:43:45 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .provn 15:43:48 <smiles> +1 15:43:55 <jun> +1 15:44:03 <SamCoppens> +1 15:44:05 <jun> stain: +1 15:44:14 <sandro> 0 15:44:15 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 15:44:17 <jcheney> +1 15:44:17 <GK> 0 15:44:18 <dgarijo> +1 15:44:25 <TomDN> +0 15:44:31 <zednik> 0 15:44:38 <satya> 0 15:44:46 <tlebo> 0 (to avoid holding it up, .pn seemed cleaner and looks less like bad file contents) 15:45:04 <pgroth> accepted: extension of prov-n is .provn 15:45:09 <TomDN> (just curious: are there any other 5 character extensions you know of?) 15:45:27 <stainPhone> stainPhone has joined #prov 15:45:31 <jun> Luc: a vote on .pn too? 15:45:35 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .pn 15:45:40 <stainPhone> -1 15:45:43 <smiles> 0 15:45:48 <tlebo> +1 15:45:49 <GK> 0 15:45:54 <jun> -1 15:45:55 <Paolo> 0 15:45:56 <TomDN> +0 15:45:57 <dgarijo> 0 15:45:57 <jcheney> 0 15:45:58 <SamCoppens> 0 15:46:05 <sandro> 0 15:46:08 <satya> 0 15:46:10 <hook> 0 15:46:10 <khalidBelhajjame> 0 15:46:11 <tlebo> (.pn looks like a mistyped .png...) 15:46:21 <smiles> @TomDN you get .xhtml sometimes 15:46:33 <Luc> thanks 15:46:57 <pgroth> Topic: PROV Namespace <pgroth> Summary: When dereferencing the prov namespace and requesting an RDF content-type, it was unclear what should be returned because the prov namespace is defined not only by prov-o but also by other notes such as prov-aq. (ISSUE-440) Two possible approaches were discussed. One was merging all the definitions defined by the various specs into one file, the other approach was to use owl:imports. Paul agreed to write up the two proposals and circulate for discussion on the mailing list. 15:47:24 <dgarijo> @tlebo: I won't even tell you what does it looks like in spanish :) 15:47:34 <jun> pgroth: paq defined some terms using the prov namespace 15:47:45 <tlebo> @dgarijo You're right, I don't want to know. 15:47:56 <stainPhone> Solved by using slash rather than hash 15:48:05 <tlebo> @stian, yes. 15:48:27 <stainPhone> That is the main motivation for slash 15:48:31 <jun> ... we want to get the owl definition for a term when using curl 15:49:03 <pgroth> q? 15:49:07 <tlebo> @pgroth I hadn't thought of concatenating, I think worth considering. 15:49:27 <jun> ... look for suggestions to solve the problem by keeping the namespace as it is 15:50:09 <dgarijo> @tlebo: they are already included, right? 15:50:41 <stainPhone> Namespace can resolve to owl that imports other owls, one for provo, one for note, one for dictionary.. 15:51:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller] 15:51:44 <Zakim> -??P14 15:51:44 <Zakim> -pgroth 15:51:49 <pgroth> can you fill in luc 15:51:53 <Luc> yes 15:52:07 <Zakim> +??P9 15:52:08 <pgroth> back 15:52:08 <stainPhone> Owl in provo spec part of rec, but not what is at namespace 15:52:13 <Luc> ok 15:52:19 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me 15:52:19 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it 15:52:29 <jcheney> I've been dropped, have to go now anyway... 15:52:29 <Zakim> +??P10 15:52:32 <Zakim> - +44.131.467.aacc 15:52:44 <pgroth> q? 15:53:08 <Luc> can someone reexplain this concatenation for me? thanks 15:53:24 <stainPhone> +q 15:53:26 <GK> But at some point, the form *will* occur - I think. 15:53:36 <GK> s/form/fork/ 15:54:04 <pgroth> q+ 15:54:11 <pgroth> ack stainPhone 15:54:23 <Zakim> +??P14 15:55:04 <jun> [ I don't quite understand the conversation. can someone else scribe for this part? thanks] 15:55:21 <tlebo> +1 to what Stian is suggesting, resolving the namespace simply returns some owl:imports 15:55:29 <GK> We could add rdfs:comment that makes it clear the extra terms are not part of the PROV-O standard? 15:55:31 <tlebo> +1 to @pgroth to avoiding renaming the namespace. 15:55:35 <sandro> stain: if we use a slash instead of a hash, then we could redirect flexibly 15:56:02 <sandro> stain: when we decided on hash, we didnt habe these modules 15:56:03 <satya> +1 @Stian 15:56:15 <tlebo> @satya, which of stian's comments? 15:56:27 <GK> But the owl:imports won't be visible to non-OWL applications. 15:56:49 <stainPhone> Yes, breaks rdfs 15:56:53 <tlebo> @pgroth can't we do both, and include a few prov assertions about how the concat was derived? 15:57:07 <GK> Dogfood! 15:57:42 <jun> pgroth: I can write up the 2 proposals and put onto the mailing list for discussions 15:57:43 <satya> slash instead of hash - fits with file system approach 15:57:44 <tlebo> I think we can work a reasonable solution out of these two imports/concat approaches. 15:58:11 <Zakim> -??P4 15:58:12 <Luc> bye bye 15:58:15 <Zakim> -tlebo 15:58:15 <stainPhone> Redirect to a note which explains the diff modules 15:58:15 <khalidBelhajjame> bye 15:58:17 <dgarijo> bye! 15:58:18 <Zakim> -sandro 15:58:19 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo 15:58:19 <SamCoppens> bye 15:58:20 <Zakim> -Luc 15:58:22 <Zakim> -dgarijo 15:58:23 <TomDN> bye 15:58:23 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has left #prov 15:58:23 <Zakim> -??P29 15:58:23 <Zakim> -jun 15:58:25 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame 15:58:25 <Zakim> -??P10 15:58:26 <Zakim> - +44.789.470.aadd 15:58:28 <Zakim> -TomDN 15:58:46 <Zakim> -??P25 15:58:49 <pgroth> rrsagent, set logs public 15:58:54 <Zakim> -??P14 15:58:55 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes 15:58:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-minutes.html pgroth 15:59:00 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon 15:59:00 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees 15:59:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, jun, sandro, +1.315.330.aaaa, tlebo, Luc, +1.818.731.aabb, +44.131.467.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, [IPcaller], TomDN, SamCoppens, 15:59:03 <Zakim> ... +44.789.470.aadd, dgarijo, GK, Satya_Sahoo 15:59:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:59:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot 15:59:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye 15:59:09 <RRSAgent> I see no action items # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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