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14:43:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
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14:43:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:43:30 <trackbot> Date: 05 July 2012
14:43:41 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:43:41 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
14:43:52 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:43:57 <pgroth> Scribe: Jun Zhao
14:44:12 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
14:44:21 <pgroth> Regrets: Curt Tilmes
14:55:35 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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15:00:12 <tlebo> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, +1.315.330.aaaa
15:00:18 <tlebo> zakim, I am aaaa
15:00:27 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
15:00:29 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
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15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, jun, sandro, ??P21, tlebo
15:00:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcheney, tlebo, Luc, stephenc, jun, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, sandro, trackbot, stain
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15:01:06 <Luc> zakim, ??P21 is me
15:01:09 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:02:00 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
<pgroth> Summary: The minutes from the 3rd Face-to-Face minutes were approved. The group was informed of a new "cross-document" product in the tracker for organization of these issues.
15:02:10 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-28
15:02:16 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aacc
15:02:19 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon 
15:02:26 <jun> +1
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15:02:43 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P7 is me
15:02:44 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
15:02:54 <tlebo> 0 (did not attend)
15:03:01 <jcheney> +1
15:03:04 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
15:03:15 <Zakim> +Ruben
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15:03:29 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of the June 28, 2012 Telecon 
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15:03:42 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me
15:03:42 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
15:03:44 <pgroth> Day 1 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-22
15:03:46 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
15:03:46 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
15:03:54 <pgroth> day 2 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-06-23
15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P5
15:04:16 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aadd
15:04:21 <pgroth> proposed: Minutes from F2F3
15:04:23 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P5 is me
15:04:23 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
15:04:28 <stain> Zakim: +44.789.470.aadd is me
15:04:33 <jun> +0 (not there all the time)
15:04:37 <TomDN> +1
15:04:38 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
15:04:40 <jcheney> +1
15:04:47 <tlebo> +1
15:04:50 <smiles> 0
15:04:50 <SamCoppens> +0 (not there)
15:04:58 <dgarijo> +0 (I wasn't there the whole time)
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15:05:33 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes from F2F3
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15:06:25 <jun> ACTION-94 Ivan is still on holiday. we can do that later
15:06:25 <trackbot> ACTION-94 Check when we should do internationalization and how for PROV-N notes added
15:06:26 <Luc> +q
15:06:44 <pgroth> ack Luc
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15:07:13 <jun> Luc: is internationalization for just prov-n or all of them?
15:07:26 <jun> Sandro: for all of them. but we will do it one after another
15:07:28 <Luc> -q
15:07:49 <jun> Action 97 and 98 on Paulo
15:07:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 97
15:07:51 <sandro> sandro: they might want to review them all at once
15:08:08 <jun> Action 101 on Curt, will move to after LC
15:08:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 101
15:08:36 <pgroth> q?
15:08:38 <jun> Paul hasn't done his work yet
15:08:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/14
15:09:17 <stain> @Jun - you can use "... " as a prefix to say that it is continuation of last person you mentioned
15:09:17 <Zakim> +??P13
15:09:35 <GK> zakim, ??p13 is me
15:09:36 <Zakim> +GK; got it
15:09:37 <jun> ... created a cross-product document
15:09:52 <pgroth> Topic: PAQ
<pgroth> Summary: The request for extra features for the PAQ is officially closed. 
15:10:00 <jun> @stain, I know that. but I don't know how to avoid typing actions :)
15:10:44 <pgroth> q?
15:10:45 <jun> Paul: anyone intending for more feature request for PAQ. otherwise we will close the open call for new features
15:11:01 <tlebo> @paul, just my prov-pingbacks :-)
15:11:33 <jun> Paul: it's in the issue track. we might start to look at it next week. 
15:11:39 <pgroth> Topic: Finalizing reviews
<pgroth> Summary: Noted already submitted reviews and listed intended reviews. Additional reviews for prov-n wil be provided by Khalid, James, Stian, and Tom. Additional reviews from Sam and Hook will be provided for prov-o. Prov-primer has already had extensive reviews and Simon was busy implementing those suggestions. Prov-constraints will hopefully be ready to review by 19 July.
15:11:50 <tlebo> @jun, tab will auto-complete user names for you. Try to use usernames instead of real names.
15:12:18 <jun> s/Paul/pgroth/
15:13:07 <jcheney> working on it
15:13:09 <TomDN> (I sent mine just before the telecon)
15:13:17 <jun> Luc: we received feedback from khalid and dgarijo, and jun, and jcheney maybe by tomorrow?
15:13:33 <jun> ... any other feedback?
15:13:37 <Zakim> +??P14
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15:14:07 <jun> pgroth: that's all that signed up for. mabye satya, but didn't commit to it
15:14:14 <jun> ... anyone to feedback by tomorrow?
15:14:44 <jun> >jc
15:14:46 <jun> >jc
15:15:03 <jun> Luc: go through feedback on Monday and hope to finish by next telcom
15:15:26 <khalidBelhajjame> I signed up but I haven't provided the feedback yet
15:15:29 <jun> Luc: feedback on prov-n; khalid signed up?
15:15:32 <khalidBelhajjame> will try to send iot tomorrow
15:15:51 <jcheney> also working on it
15:15:52 <jun> ... jcheney also signed up?
15:16:10 <TomDN> I had signed up for the primer, but havent done it yet. I could do prov-N instead?
15:16:29 <khalidBelhajjame> @Luc, thanks
15:16:35 <jun> ... work on the feedback on Wednesday and get ready for the review
15:16:38 <TomDN> ok :)
15:16:46 <stain> I can volunteer for anything needing reviewer
15:17:16 <khalidBelhajjame> that is good for me
15:17:20 <jun> Luc: feedback by Tuesday lunch time UK time, will be great
15:17:35 <jun> TomDN and stain also on prov-n
15:17:40 <pgroth> q?
15:18:12 <jun> tlebo: on prov-o. announced doc to review on tuesday
15:18:39 <jun> ... received feedback from luc and jun and one external review. will incorporate in the next couples of days
15:18:47 <jun> ... Monday will do
15:18:51 <pgroth> q?
15:19:04 <SamCoppens> I will review it also
15:19:08 <jun> pgroth: anyone else on prov-o?
15:19:19 <hook> I can also review it.
15:19:34 <pgroth> q?
15:19:41 <jun> SamCoppens, hook, and pgroth will also review
15:20:20 <jun> smiles: on primer. we had a lot of reviews. most of them are small
15:20:38 <jun> .. will try to fix it tomorrow and get it ready by Saturday
15:20:45 <tlebo> @SamCoppens by monday good for you? (Friday would be good, too)
15:20:57 <tlebo> @hook, same as to @SamCoppens 
15:21:32 <jun> pgroth: we will keep primer open to be adjusted according to other docs
15:21:43 <SamCoppens> @tlebo sure, that is fine
15:21:53 <hook> by Monday for me.
15:22:02 <tlebo> @SamCoppens @hook thanks!
15:22:19 <jun> jcheney: on prov-constraints. presumed to be ready for review by 19 July. not ready for review now
15:22:44 <TomDN> I'm working through the emails. Hope to catch up soon and provide input
15:23:08 <jun> ... discussed over emails about what to be done. but not totally converged yet. will have time next week to work together with Luc and Paolo 
15:23:30 <jun> ... aiming for the end of the july
15:23:57 <pgroth> q?
15:24:30 <pgroth> Topic: Last Call Vote
<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded of the upcoming last call vote on July 12 on prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-n. The group was encouraged to raise any potential blocking issues as soon as possible. Also, if members could not make it to the next call, they were encouraged to express their vote via email.
15:25:01 <jun> pgroth: we will vote on releasing prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-o for last call in the next telcom
15:25:15 <jun> ... please express your opinions on the mailing list if you can't make to the call
15:25:43 <jun> ... would be nice to know well in advance if there are any outstanding issues to block the release for LC
15:25:51 <pgroth> q?
15:26:18 <jun> Luc: any feedback, any concern at any time before the vote are welcome
15:26:22 <pgroth> q?
15:26:30 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-N Media Type Application
<pgroth> Summary: Luc went over the proposed application for a mimetype. The group voted to request text/provenance-notation as the mimetype. The group voted that the extension for filenames should be .provn. Finally, Graham agreed to go through the application and to help reword especially around the phrasing of the UTF-8 requirement.
15:26:46 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#media-type
15:27:46 <stain> q+ Why not .provn as suggested file extension?
15:27:49 <jun> Luc: we have to go through the media types before the LC
15:28:02 <stain> +q to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?
15:28:06 <GK> q+ to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n
15:28:14 <jun> ... there is a draft suggestion in the above link. and look for feedback to text/prov-n
15:28:34 <stain> @GK, but it's PROV-N - not any odd provenance text..
15:28:38 <tlebo> @gk, that's a bit broad, no?
15:28:43 <stain> GK has expertise
15:28:48 <pgroth> q?
15:28:57 <pgroth> ack stain 
15:28:57 <Zakim> stain, you wanted to suggest .provn as suggested file extension?
15:29:14 <jun> stain: your suggestions generally look good
15:29:24 <tlebo> stian: .provn ?
15:29:30 <TomDN> @gk: we considered both text/prov-n and text/prov at f2f3. (don't recall why we chose prov-n exactly)
15:29:31 <pgroth> ack GK 
15:29:31 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to suggest that the registered media type should be something like text/provenance rarther than text/prov-n
15:29:41 <stain> stian: .provn should be somewhat googleable rather than .pn
15:30:10 <pgroth> provenance-notation
15:30:22 <jun> GK: find text/provn less intuitive to general audience. text/provenance?
15:30:24 <tlebo> provenance-notation seems nice
15:30:24 <pgroth> q?
15:30:25 <stain> pgroth: text/provenance-notation reads well
15:30:37 <stain> @
15:30:48 <pgroth> q?
15:30:58 <TomDN> It is a bit long...
15:31:02 <tlebo> +1 provenance-notation (length is fine)
15:31:02 <pgroth> q?
15:31:03 <jun> pgroth: text/provenance-notation looks nice
15:31:05 <sandro> why not "prov-notation"
15:31:08 <jun> GK: length is not the problem
15:31:10 <sandro> since the thing is called "prov"
15:31:13 <smiles> agreed that provenance-notation is good
15:31:23 <tlebo> application/rdf+xml is "long" , and we get by...
15:31:26 <pgroth> i think GK
15:31:27 <khalidBelhajjame> prov-notation
15:31:31 <jun> sandro: how about text/prov ?
15:31:47 <jcheney> I asked "what about text/prov" at the f2f3 and people said no...
15:31:56 <sandro> sandro: how about text/prov-notation    since prov is the brand name
15:32:19 <stain> .. but it is 'prov' and not 'n' that is the big unknown
15:32:27 <sandro> (actually, I like text/prov, but I wasn't at the f2f so ignore me)
15:32:31 <TomDN> Non-specialist people didn't know what text/css was either in the beginning...
15:32:35 <pgroth> what about prov-provenance
15:32:37 <tlebo> why bother shortening it?
15:32:48 <tlebo> provenance-notation - tell people what it is :-)
15:32:52 <stain> or text/html or application/xml or image/png
15:33:04 <pgroth> the title of the document is PROV-N: The Provenance Notation
15:33:15 <TomDN> and they didn't make it text/cascading-stylesheet either.
15:33:23 <stain> so "Provenance Notation" would be quite googleable as well
15:33:29 <Luc> what about a straw pall on prov-notation and provenance-notation?
15:33:31 <jun> GK: provn might not tell people what this is about. we have to think this might be for people out of the w3c community
15:33:57 <jun> pgroth: we need this before the last call
15:34:24 <pgroth> straw poll: mimetype is text/provenance-notation
15:34:25 <stain> multiple votes allowed or first choice?
15:34:26 <jun> Luc: shall we run a poll
15:34:34 <SamCoppens> +1
15:34:41 <GK> +1
15:34:42 <tlebo> +1
15:34:43 <jun> +1
15:34:45 <stephenc> +1
15:34:46 <zednik> +1
15:34:47 <TomDN> +0 (not wild about it, but don't want to block anything either)
15:34:50 <jcheney> 0 (not sure)
15:34:51 <smiles> +1
15:34:51 <sandro> 0
15:34:57 <stain> +1
15:34:58 <tlebo> @stian, if you want something else, do a -1
15:35:05 <Paolo> +1
15:35:05 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (don't mind either of the two options)
15:35:12 <jcheney> meh...
15:35:23 <dgarijo> +1
15:35:40 <hook> +0 (should be consistant across the brand?)
15:35:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype is text/prov-notation
15:35:55 <smiles> +1
15:35:56 <GK> +1
15:35:57 <jun> 0
15:35:57 <stain> +1
15:36:00 <dgarijo> +0
15:36:16 <Paolo> 0
15:36:17 <tlebo> +0 (better than text/prov-n, though)
15:36:18 <zednik> +0
15:36:19 <SamCoppens> 0
15:36:20 <sandro> +1
15:36:22 <jcheney> 0 (why abbreviate part?)
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15:36:56 <Luc> any other suggestion?
15:37:06 <stain> text/prov-n   was the original suggestion
15:37:09 <khalidBelhajjame> +0 (either way is fine with me)
15:37:15 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
15:37:20 <sandro> and text/prov seems to me, naively, to make sense.
15:37:31 <sandro> (but ignore me if you like)
15:37:45 <GK> (I'm squinting at the text around charset - I think it's OK, but I note that (IIRC) default  all text/* content-types default to US-ASCII.  That jars slightly with "The encoding is always UTF-8 [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html#bib-UTF-8]")
15:37:47 <TomDN> @sandro: I like that one as well
15:37:47 <jun> pgroth: anyone wants to vote on prov-n?
15:37:50 <stain> I would do +1 on text/prov-n as well - so basically all my votes are 0.. 
15:37:52 <jcheney> I'd support text/prov or text/prov-n but not block other two...
15:38:03 <Luc> q+
15:38:29 <stain> @GK, what do Turtle say on this? 
15:38:35 <pgroth> ack Luc
15:38:36 <GK> I'll try and provide some wording next week.
15:38:45 <jun> Luc: would really like feedback from expertise. 
15:39:02 <stain> "The media type of Turtle is text/turtle (pre-registration media type application/x-turtle should be accepted). The content encoding of Turtle content is always UTF-8. Charset parameters on the mime type are required until such time as the text/ media type tree permits UTF-8 to be sent without a charset parameter"
15:39:43 <stain> I agree on always UTF-8 as long as the wording requires encoding to be UTF-8.
15:39:51 <stain> We can say "The only supported encoding is UTF-8"
15:40:24 <jun> GK: some re-wording in some places might help
15:40:54 <jun> Luc: maybe we can work on this together offline? it was copied from sparql or turtle? (can't hear it properly)
15:41:17 <pgroth> q?
15:41:21 <jun> GK: can help with this next week
15:41:47 <pgroth> straw poll mimetype type text/prov-n
15:41:48 <GK> I'm OK with text/prov too.
15:41:48 <jun> pgroth: jcheney wanted to have a poll on the original
15:41:51 <smiles> +0.5
15:41:52 <tlebo> -1
15:41:55 <TomDN> +1
15:41:56 <jcheney> +1
15:42:00 <SamCoppens> 0
15:42:00 <dgarijo> +0
15:42:01 <GK> -1 to text/prov-n
15:42:02 <jun> 0
15:42:05 <stain> +1
15:42:05 <khalidBelhajjame> 0
15:42:12 <stephenc> 0
15:42:15 <sandro> +1
15:42:22 <zednik> -0.5
15:42:42 <pgroth> proposed: mimetype is text/provenance-notation
15:42:53 <stain> +1
15:42:54 <TomDN> +0
15:42:56 <tlebo> +1
15:42:58 <GK> +1
15:42:58 <smiles> +1
15:42:59 <dgarijo> +1
15:42:59 <SamCoppens> +1
15:43:02 <stephenc> +1
15:43:02 <jcheney> 0
15:43:03 <jun> +1
15:43:05 <satya> +1
15:43:10 <Paolo> +1
15:43:19 <zednik> +1
15:43:21 <sandro> 0
15:43:24 <stain> (going off-irc)
15:43:36 <pgroth> accepted: mimetype is text/provenance-notation
15:43:36 <Luc> and .provn as extension?
15:43:45 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .provn
15:43:48 <smiles> +1
15:43:55 <jun> +1
15:44:03 <SamCoppens> +1
15:44:05 <jun> stain: +1
15:44:14 <sandro> 0
15:44:15 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
15:44:17 <jcheney> +1
15:44:17 <GK> 0
15:44:18 <dgarijo> +1
15:44:25 <TomDN> +0
15:44:31 <zednik> 0
15:44:38 <satya> 0
15:44:46 <tlebo> 0 (to avoid holding it up, .pn seemed cleaner and looks less like bad file contents)
15:45:04 <pgroth> accepted: extension of prov-n is .provn
15:45:09 <TomDN> (just curious: are there any other 5 character extensions you know of?)
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15:45:31 <jun> Luc: a vote on .pn too?
15:45:35 <pgroth> proposed: extension is .pn
15:45:40 <stainPhone> -1
15:45:43 <smiles> 0
15:45:48 <tlebo> +1
15:45:49 <GK> 0
15:45:54 <jun> -1
15:45:55 <Paolo> 0
15:45:56 <TomDN> +0
15:45:57 <dgarijo> 0
15:45:57 <jcheney> 0
15:45:58 <SamCoppens> 0
15:46:05 <sandro> 0
15:46:08 <satya> 0
15:46:10 <hook> 0
15:46:10 <khalidBelhajjame> 0
15:46:11 <tlebo> (.pn looks like a mistyped .png...)
15:46:21 <smiles> @TomDN you get .xhtml sometimes
15:46:33 <Luc> thanks
15:46:57 <pgroth> Topic: PROV Namespace
<pgroth> Summary: When dereferencing the prov namespace and requesting an RDF content-type, it was unclear what should be returned because the prov namespace is defined  not only by prov-o but also by other notes such as prov-aq. (ISSUE-440) Two possible approaches were discussed. One was merging all the definitions defined by the various specs into one file, the other approach was to use owl:imports. Paul agreed to write up the two proposals and circulate for discussion on the mailing list.
15:47:24 <dgarijo> @tlebo: I won't even tell you what does it looks like in spanish :)
15:47:34 <jun> pgroth: paq defined some terms using the prov namespace
15:47:45 <tlebo> @dgarijo You're right, I don't want to know.
15:47:56 <stainPhone> Solved by using slash rather than hash
15:48:05 <tlebo> @stian, yes.
15:48:27 <stainPhone> That is the main motivation for slash
15:48:31 <jun> ... we want to get the owl definition for a term when using curl
15:49:03 <pgroth> q?
15:49:07 <tlebo> @pgroth I hadn't thought of concatenating, I think worth considering.
15:49:27 <jun> ... look for suggestions to solve the problem by keeping the namespace as it is
15:50:09 <dgarijo> @tlebo: they are already included, right?
15:50:41 <stainPhone> Namespace can resolve to owl that imports other owls, one for provo, one for note, one for dictionary..
15:51:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:51:44 <Zakim> -??P14
15:51:44 <Zakim> -pgroth
15:51:49 <pgroth> can you fill in luc
15:51:53 <Luc> yes
15:52:07 <Zakim> +??P9
15:52:08 <pgroth> back
15:52:08 <stainPhone> Owl in provo spec  part of rec, but not what is at namespace
15:52:13 <Luc> ok
15:52:19 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me
15:52:19 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
15:52:29 <jcheney> I've been dropped, have to go now anyway...
15:52:29 <Zakim> +??P10
15:52:32 <Zakim> - +44.131.467.aacc
15:52:44 <pgroth> q?
15:53:08 <Luc> can someone reexplain this concatenation for me? thanks
15:53:24 <stainPhone> +q
15:53:26 <GK> But at some point, the form *will* occur - I think.
15:53:36 <GK> s/form/fork/
15:54:04 <pgroth> q+
15:54:11 <pgroth> ack stainPhone 
15:54:23 <Zakim> +??P14
15:55:04 <jun> [ I don't quite understand the conversation. can someone else scribe for this part? thanks]
15:55:21 <tlebo> +1 to what Stian is suggesting, resolving the namespace simply returns some owl:imports 
15:55:29 <GK> We could add rdfs:comment that makes it clear the extra terms are not part of the PROV-O standard?
15:55:31 <tlebo> +1 to @pgroth to avoiding renaming the namespace.
15:55:35 <sandro> stain: if we use a slash instead of a hash, then we could redirect flexibly
15:56:02 <sandro> stain: when we decided on hash, we didnt habe these modules
15:56:03 <satya> +1 @Stian
15:56:15 <tlebo> @satya, which of stian's comments?
15:56:27 <GK> But the owl:imports won't be visible to non-OWL applications.
15:56:49 <stainPhone> Yes, breaks rdfs
15:56:53 <tlebo> @pgroth can't we do both, and include a few prov assertions about how the concat was derived?
15:57:07 <GK> Dogfood!
15:57:42 <jun> pgroth: I can write up the 2 proposals and put onto the mailing list for discussions
15:57:43 <satya> slash instead of hash - fits with file system approach
15:57:44 <tlebo> I think we can work a reasonable solution out of these two imports/concat approaches.
15:58:11 <Zakim> -??P4
15:58:12 <Luc> bye bye
15:58:15 <Zakim> -tlebo
15:58:15 <stainPhone> Redirect to a note which explains the diff modules
15:58:15 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
15:58:17 <dgarijo> bye!
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15:58:23 <TomDN> bye
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15:58:26 <Zakim> - +44.789.470.aadd
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15:58:49 <pgroth> rrsagent, set logs public
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15:58:55 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/05-prov-minutes.html pgroth
15:59:00 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
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15:59:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, jun, sandro, +1.315.330.aaaa, tlebo, Luc, +1.818.731.aabb, +44.131.467.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, [IPcaller], TomDN, SamCoppens,
15:59:03 <Zakim> ... +44.789.470.aadd, dgarijo, GK, Satya_Sahoo
15:59:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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