Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 December 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.08
Seen
Anne Washington, Bart van Leeuwen, Bernadette Hyland, Biplav Srivastava, Chris Musialek, David Smith, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Ghislain Atemezing, Raphaël Troncy, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen, Yigal Arens
Scribe
Fadi Maali
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15:00:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD

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15:00:20 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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15:00:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
15:00:21 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2011
15:00:26 <sandro> zakim, this is gld

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is gld

15:00:26 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

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15:00:51 <Zakim> +raphael

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15:01:09 <Zakim> +??P21

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15:01:11 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:01:22 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (94%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (94%)

15:01:30 <Zakim> -??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P21

15:01:32 <Zakim> +George_Thomas

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15:01:47 <sandro> zakim, drop raphael

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop raphael

15:01:47 <sandro> scribe: fadmaa

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15:01:47 <Zakim> raphael is being disconnected

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15:01:49 <Zakim> -raphael

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15:01:53 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +030014aaaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +030014aaaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas

15:01:57 <sandro> zakim, this is gld

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is gld

15:01:57 <Zakim> sandro, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

15:01:58 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

15:01:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:02:05 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:02:15 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me

Yigal Arens: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:02:15 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it

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15:02:16 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +030014aaaa (18%), BernHyland (31%), [IPcaller] (10%), George_Thomas (77%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +030014aaaa (18%), BernHyland (31%), [IPcaller] (10%), George_Thomas (77%)

15:02:42 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is fadmaa

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aaaa is fadmaa

15:02:42 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

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15:02:45 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22

15:03:06 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

15:03:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P22 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P22 is me

15:03:11 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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15:03:17 <fadmaa> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.08
15:05:11 <fadmaa> Topic: DCAT/ADMS breakout session

1. DCAT/ADMS breakout session

15:05:32 <fadmaa> George: there is a link to the ADMS/dcat discussion

George Thomas: there is a link to the ADMS/dcat discussion

15:05:41 <fadmaa> ...http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-28

...http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-28

15:05:57 <George> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/group/WD-DCAT-20111218.html

George Thomas: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/group/WD-DCAT-20111218.html

15:06:26 <Zakim> + +1.703.362.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.362.aabb

15:06:45 <Zakim> +raphael

Zakim IRC Bot: +raphael

15:06:57 <fadmaa> ...Martin suggested a new property to indicate direct access

...Martin suggested a new property to indicate direct access

15:07:21 <fadmaa> ...of dcat:Distribution

...of dcat:Distribution

15:08:44 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-17

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-17

15:08:52 <fadmaa> ...minutes of the last telcon http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-17

...minutes of the last telcon http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-17

15:09:07 <fadmaa> PROPOSED: accept minutes

PROPOSED: accept minutes

15:09:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for minutes

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 for minutes

15:09:24 <Yigal> +1 accept minutes

Yigal Arens: +1 accept minutes

15:09:28 <fadmaa> bhyland: F2F2 will be in two locations

Bernadette Hyland: F2F2 will be in two locations

15:09:36 <fadmaa> ...Ireland and Washington DC

...Ireland and Washington DC

15:09:39 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

15:09:49 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

15:09:59 <bhyland> s/bernaddet/bhylabd

Bernadette Hyland: s/bernaddet/bhylabd (warning: replacement failed)

15:10:10 <bhyland> s/bhylabd/bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: s/bhylabd/bhyland (warning: replacement failed)

15:10:11 <fadmaa> s/bernaddet/bhyland/

s/bernaddet/bhyland/ (warning: replacement failed)

15:10:59 <fadmaa> RESOLVED: minutes accepted

RESOLVED: minutes accepted

15:11:23 <fadmaa> Topic: vocab.data.gov

2. vocab.data.gov

15:11:51 <fadmaa> George: data.gov plans to deploy DERI neologism

George Thomas: data.gov plans to deploy DERI neologism

15:12:01 <Zakim> +cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri

15:12:02 <George> http://neologism.deri.ie/

George Thomas: http://neologism.deri.ie/

15:12:03 <fadmaa> ...for vocabulary management

...for vocabulary management

15:12:37 <fadmaa> ...Neologism is open source platform for vocabulary management http://neologism.deri.ie/

...Neologism is open source platform for vocabulary management http://neologism.deri.ie/

15:12:41 <George> http://vocab.deri.ie/

George Thomas: http://vocab.deri.ie/

15:13:03 <fadmaa> ...Richard raised a couple of questions and provided some guidance

...Richard raised a couple of questions and provided some guidance

15:14:05 <fadmaa> ...the intention is to have internal and external vocabularies

...the intention is to have internal and external vocabularies

15:14:27 <fadmaa> ...some issues were raised regarding authors for example

...some issues were raised regarding authors for example

15:14:45 <George> vocab.deri.org/void

George Thomas: vocab.deri.org/void

15:14:55 <fadmaa> ...neologism assume its users as authors. not true for external vocabularies like void

...neologism assume its users as authors. not true for external vocabularies like void

15:15:00 <George> vocab.data.gov/void

George Thomas: vocab.data.gov/void

15:15:54 <fadmaa> ...generally, there is no problem from data.gov perspective

...generally, there is no problem from data.gov perspective

15:16:18 <fadmaa> ...some work around can be utilized

...some work around can be utilized

15:16:42 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

15:16:43 <fadmaa> ...the main goal of vocab.data.gov is cataloging vocabularies rather than managing them and supporting the full life cycle

...the main goal of vocab.data.gov is cataloging vocabularies rather than managing them and supporting the full life cycle

15:17:14 <fadmaa> bhyland: who will be the maintainer? how will the logistics be?

Bernadette Hyland: who will be the maintainer? how will the logistics be?

15:17:23 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.566.aacc

15:17:34 <DruidSmith_> zakim, aacc is me

David Smith: zakim, aacc is me

15:17:34 <Zakim> +DruidSmith_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DruidSmith_; got it

15:17:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q

Bart van Leeuwen: +q

15:18:25 <fadmaa> George: a couple of people will be managing it in a lightweight manner.. they will be the point of contact

George Thomas: a couple of people will be managing it in a lightweight manner.. they will be the point of contact

15:18:32 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:18:51 <fadmaa> ...users will request support and adding vocabularies through the contact people

...users will request support and adding vocabularies through the contact people

15:18:51 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland

15:18:57 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:19:06 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:19:22 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: I like neologism... my problem with it is that it is very slow

Bart van Leeuwen: I like neologism... my problem with it is that it is very slow

15:19:31 <Zakim> +cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri

15:19:46 <fadmaa> ...responsiveness is very slow. wondering if there is enhancements

...responsiveness is very slow. wondering if there is enhancements

15:20:24 <fadmaa> cygri: we experienced slow responsiveness on vocab.deri.ie

Richard Cyganiak: we experienced slow responsiveness on vocab.deri.ie

15:20:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-

Bart van Leeuwen: q-

15:20:45 <fadmaa> ...most of it was solved and the situation had been improved to an accceptable degree

...most of it was solved and the situation had been improved to an accceptable degree

15:20:48 <bhyland> George: the points on contact for adding vocabs to vocab.data.gov will be George Thomas and Chris Musialek.

George Thomas: the points on contact for adding vocabs to vocab.data.gov will be George Thomas and Chris Musialek. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:21:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

15:21:35 <bhyland> cygri: Neologism is a fairly light application, performance is "good enough", it isn't meant to be mission critical (?)

Richard Cyganiak: Neologism is a fairly light application, performance is "good enough", it isn't meant to be mission critical (?) [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:22:06 <fadmaa> cygri: any plans to support editing vocabularies on vocab.data.gov?

Richard Cyganiak: any plans to support editing vocabularies on vocab.data.gov?

15:22:20 <fadmaa> George: initially it will mainly be used as a catalogue

George Thomas: initially it will mainly be used as a catalogue

15:22:39 <fadmaa> ...to have a place where people can make their vocabularies visible

...to have a place where people can make their vocabularies visible

15:22:50 <bhyland> George: vocab.data.gov is intended to provide a place to make vocabs more visible.  It isn't intended to be a place for maintenance of vocabs.  It is a directory listing.

George Thomas: vocab.data.gov is intended to provide a place to make vocabs more visible. It isn't intended to be a place for maintenance of vocabs. It is a directory listing. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:23:00 <fadmaa> ...do not expect people to be using it for actual creation and editing

...do not expect people to be using it for actual creation and editing

15:24:00 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

15:24:04 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me

15:24:22 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland

15:25:08 <fadmaa> bhyland: do we want to recommend on incorporating tools

Bernadette Hyland: do we want to recommend on incorporating tools

15:25:47 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:25:48 <fadmaa> ...especially with tools that might not be commercially supported

...especially with tools that might not be commercially supported

15:26:12 <fadmaa> ...maintinance might be an issue.

...maintinance might be an issue.

15:26:18 <annew> annew is on SIP

Anne Washington: annew is on SIP

15:27:03 <fadmaa> cygri: I have experience with working on tools in the course of research academic projects

Richard Cyganiak: I have experience with working on tools in the course of research academic projects

15:27:24 <bhyland> cygri: I feel that it's important to make a statement of usability, maintenance, support for a given tool.

Richard Cyganiak: I feel that it's important to make a statement of usability, maintenance, support for a given tool. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:27:28 <Yigal> But how do we know what the current and future plans for such a tool are?

Yigal Arens: But how do we know what the current and future plans for such a tool are?

15:27:31 <fadmaa> ...it is important to make the status of the project and its level of support very clear

...it is important to make the status of the project and its level of support very clear

15:28:09 <bhyland> cygri: There are various ways to characterize this in objective ways, e.g., when was it release, how often is it updated, how many posts to the mailing list, etc that all give an indication of whether a healthy community exists.

Richard Cyganiak: There are various ways to characterize this in objective ways, e.g., when was it release, how often is it updated, how many posts to the mailing list, etc that all give an indication of whether a healthy community exists. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:28:11 <fadmaa> ...some simple measures can help. looking at the number of releases, its mailing list, etc.

...some simple measures can help. looking at the number of releases, its mailing list, etc.

15:28:18 <Zakim> + +91.80.49.06.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.80.49.06.aadd

15:28:34 <bhyland> cygri: If external funding went into the project, that is also a good sign.

Richard Cyganiak: If external funding went into the project, that is also a good sign. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:29:14 <bhyland> +1 agree with cygri and think the GLD WG should provide guidance on this topic.

Bernadette Hyland: +1 agree with cygri and think the GLD WG should provide guidance on this topic.

15:29:19 <fadmaa> ...to summarize, if you make recommendation on a tool it is worth spending time on documenting the status of the project

...to summarize, if you make recommendation on a tool it is worth spending time on documenting the status of the project

15:30:25 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:30:43 <fadmaa> bhyland: shall we add this to other places like the cook book, the vocabulary...?

Bernadette Hyland: shall we add this to other places like the cook book, the vocabulary...?

15:31:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-

Bart van Leeuwen: q-

15:31:12 <Yigal> I think a pre-defined checklist would be a good idea, because it would help ensure a standard for evaluation.

Yigal Arens: I think a pre-defined checklist would be a good idea, because it would help ensure a standard for evaluation.

15:31:47 <fadmaa> cygri: I will send an email with a list of bullet points outlining the main points to look at

Richard Cyganiak: I will send an email with a list of bullet points outlining the main points to look at

15:31:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri, could you share a link where I can find some information on the performance tuning you described earlier ?

Bart van Leeuwen: cygri, could you share a link where I can find some information on the performance tuning you described earlier ?

15:32:05 <fadmaa> sandro: this sounds relevant to procurement

Sandro Hawke: this sounds relevant to procurement

15:32:24 <annew> q+

Anne Washington: q+

15:32:47 <bhyland> George: Suggested that the "tools viability" checklist should go in the Procurement section of the Best Practices Deliverable.

George Thomas: Suggested that the "tools viability" checklist should go in the Procurement section of the Best Practices Deliverable. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:32:54 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: is there a pointer to how to tune neologism performance?

Bart van Leeuwen: is there a pointer to how to tune neologism performance?

15:33:11 <fadmaa> cygri: I suggest sending an email to neologism mailing list

Richard Cyganiak: I suggest sending an email to neologism mailing list

15:33:16 <annew> on no mic failure

Anne Washington: on no mic failure

15:33:21 <annew> I'll ask by chat

Anne Washington: I'll ask by chat

15:33:34 <annew> The issues seem to be about stability!!

Anne Washington: The issues seem to be about stability!!

15:33:38 <bhyland> zakim, mute annew

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, mute annew

15:33:38 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not know which phone connection belongs to annew

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bhyland, I do not know which phone connection belongs to annew

15:33:50 <annew> Welcome the comments about signs of stability for projects

Anne Washington: Welcome the comments about signs of stability for projects

15:34:08 <annew> I am muted

Anne Washington: I am muted

15:34:09 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:34:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, [LC], +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, +91.80.49.06.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, george, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, [LC], +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, +91.80.49.06.aadd

15:34:13 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to write some bullet points re viability of open source/academic tools/services for procurement section of best practices deliverable

ACTION: cygri to write some bullet points re viability of open source/academic tools/services for procurement section of best practices deliverable

15:34:14 <Biplav> Biplav here. I joined on the call after resolving my logistics issue. Also had an update on my action item. I have added my inputs for Action item 19 and updated the tracker to "Pending Review".

Biplav Srivastava: Biplav here. I joined on the call after resolving my logistics issue. Also had an update on my action item. I have added my inputs for Action item 19 and updated the tracker to "Pending Review".

15:34:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Write some bullet points re viability of open source/academic tools/services for procurement section of best practices deliverable [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-25 - Write some bullet points re viability of open source/academic tools/services for procurement section of best practices deliverable [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-12-15].

15:34:23 <Biplav> And I am on mute

Biplav Srivastava: And I am on mute

15:34:36 <tgheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

15:34:36 <Zakim> +tgheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tgheen; got it

15:34:57 <annew> I am on voip

Anne Washington: I am on voip

15:35:15 <bhyland> zakim, aadd is biplav

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aadd is biplav

15:35:15 <Zakim> +biplav; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +biplav; got it

15:35:54 <fadmaa> Topic: Procurement

3. Procurement

15:36:10 <fadmaa> bhyland: people who are working on that are not here

Bernadette Hyland: people who are working on that are not here

15:36:35 <fadmaa> ...suggest defering details till next week

...suggest defering details till next week

15:37:52 <fadmaa> George: we might have some discussion about defining objective criteria to assess stability of projects

George Thomas: we might have some discussion about defining objective criteria to assess stability of projects

15:38:42 <fadmaa> bhyland: some people are working on what kind of guidance W3C can provide to people working on procurment

Bernadette Hyland: some people are working on what kind of guidance W3C can provide to people working on procurment

15:38:51 <fadmaa> ...we took licence out of the scope

...we took licence out of the scope

15:39:31 <sandro> s/sandro/george/
15:39:55 <annew> is there someone in an airport or train station?

Anne Washington: is there someone in an airport or train station?

15:40:03 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:40:14 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

15:40:19 <gatemezi> Here, they provide a list of tools for data publication and consumption http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/

Ghislain Atemezing: Here, they provide a list of tools for data publication and consumption http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/

15:40:24 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:40:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, tgheen, +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, tgheen, +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, biplav

15:40:31 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:40:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, tgheen, +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa, BernHyland, sandro, George_Thomas, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, tgheen, +1.703.362.aabb, raphael, DruidSmith_, cygri, ??P37, biplav

15:40:33 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:40:44 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (4%)

15:40:51 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

15:40:53 <fadmaa> @George sorry couldn't hear you

@George sorry couldn't hear you

15:40:56 <fadmaa> it was noisy

it was noisy

15:41:09 <Zakim> + +1.202.208.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.208.aaee

15:41:25 <fadmaa> bhyland: I'd rather avoid listing tools

Bernadette Hyland: I'd rather avoid listing tools

15:41:31 <annew> zakim ??P37 is annew

Anne Washington: zakim ??P37 is annew

15:41:38 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:41:44 <fadmaa> ...but suggest focus on list of features and a checklist

...but suggest focus on list of features and a checklist

15:42:05 <annew> q-

Anne Washington: q-

15:42:05 <fadmaa> ...the commercially supported product are more in the scope of the community directory

...the commercially supported product are more in the scope of the community directory

15:42:52 <fadmaa> ...procurment people working on Linked Data need more help with aspects like security

...procurment people working on Linked Data need more help with aspects like security

15:43:05 <fadmaa> ...and other list of features

...and other list of features

15:43:14 <bhyland> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland

15:43:43 <fadmaa> sandro: I do not support listing products

Sandro Hawke: I do not support listing products

15:44:08 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:44:17 <cygri> q+ to ask about how technical this should get

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask about how technical this should get

15:44:23 <bhyland> Sandro: Recommend we list product "categories", defined by TimBL's 4 data principles.

Sandro Hawke: Recommend we list product "categories", defined by TimBL's 4 data principles. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:44:23 <fadmaa> ...but generally we list functionality that the product should support

...but generally we list functionality that the product should support

15:44:34 <annew> +1 to sandro

Anne Washington: +1 to sandro

15:44:35 <bhyland> Sandro: Avoid listing specific products by name.

Sandro Hawke: Avoid listing specific products by name. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:44:36 <fadmaa> ...e.g. support SPARQL, resolvable URIs

...e.g. support SPARQL, resolvable URIs

15:45:29 <cygri> q?

Richard Cyganiak: q?

15:46:16 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

15:46:38 <fadmaa> cygri: how technical should the procurement document be?

Richard Cyganiak: how technical should the procurement document be?

15:47:03 <Zakim> - +1.703.362.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.703.362.aabb

15:47:07 <fadmaa> ...what level of details need to be in it?

...what level of details need to be in it?

15:47:35 <bhyland> cygri: Who is the audience?  A technical evaluator or business manager?

Richard Cyganiak: Who is the audience? A technical evaluator or business manager? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:47:45 <fadmaa> George: procurement report is mainly for project manager

George Thomas: procurement report is mainly for project manager

15:48:06 <fadmaa> ...help them when deciding to buy a product

...help them when deciding to buy a product

15:48:48 <fadmaa> bhyland: two group of people are involved.  technical people and manager

Bernadette Hyland: two group of people are involved. technical people and manager

15:48:51 <annew> q+

Anne Washington: q+

15:49:05 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me

15:49:05 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about how technical this should get

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask about how technical this should get

15:49:14 <fadmaa> ...we need both general guidelines and technical details

...we need both general guidelines and technical details

15:49:54 <gatemezi> @bhyland: bhadley organization is linkedgov.org

Ghislain Atemezing: @bhyland: bhadley organization is linkedgov.org

15:50:06 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:50:18 <Zakim> + +1.703.362.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.362.aaff

15:50:20 <Yigal> If anyone is still wondering about Hadley's project, it's linkedgov.org

Yigal Arens: If anyone is still wondering about Hadley's project, it's linkedgov.org

15:50:28 <fadmaa> ...I think  there should be a list of checklist for business people

...I think there should be a list of checklist for business people

15:51:35 <fadmaa> ChrisMusialek: I have experience with the procurement process. typically it does not go to the technical details

Chris Musialek: I have experience with the procurement process. typically it does not go to the technical details

15:51:52 <cygri> zakim, who is speaking?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is speaking?

15:52:03 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.202.208.aaee (91%), raphael (26%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.202.208.aaee (91%), raphael (26%)

15:52:05 <bhyland> ChrisMusialek: I've seen very general guidance.  It doesn't get into the very technical details, it doesn't make sense to prescribe to that level of granularity.  Typically, the people writing those RFI/RFPs, they aren't very technical.

Chris Musialek: I've seen very general guidance. It doesn't get into the very technical details, it doesn't make sense to prescribe to that level of granularity. Typically, the people writing those RFI/RFPs, they aren't very technical. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:52:10 <fadmaa> ...in the procurement document technical details are not mentioned as they are usually not written by developers

...in the procurement document technical details are not mentioned as they are usually not written by developers

15:52:19 <bhyland> zakim aaee is Chris

Bernadette Hyland: zakim aaee is Chris

15:52:43 <cygri> zakim, aaee is Chris

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaee is Chris

15:52:43 <Zakim> +Chris; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chris; got it

15:52:55 <bhyland> @Fadmaa, that was Chris Musialek from US GSA speaking

Bernadette Hyland: @Fadmaa, that was Chris Musialek from US GSA speaking

15:53:14 <fadmaa> @bhyland thanks wil lcorrect that

@bhyland thanks wil lcorrect that

15:53:30 <sandro> sandro: So, I'm imagining that for each item on the checklist (eg 4-principles, sparql, etc), there's reference to the spec, some additional detail where the spec has too much wiggle room, maybe a reference to test suite, and some justification/explanation for this check list item.

Sandro Hawke: So, I'm imagining that for each item on the checklist (eg 4-principles, sparql, etc), there's reference to the spec, some additional detail where the spec has too much wiggle room, maybe a reference to test suite, and some justification/explanation for this check list item. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:54:08 <fadmaa> sandro: having  a list with links to standards containing more details

Sandro Hawke: having a checklist with links to standards containing more details

15:54:22 <fadmaa> s/list/checklist/
15:54:58 <annew> I've got to go. Can't tell if you could actually hear me or not on this call.

Anne Washington: I've got to go. Can't tell if you could actually hear me or not on this call.

15:55:10 <annew> Will send an email about stability that I have been working on

Anne Washington: Will send an email about stability that I have been working on

15:55:13 <annew> Ron 's been helpful too

Anne Washington: Ron 's been helpful too

15:55:14 <annew> bye

Anne Washington: bye

15:55:15 <sandro> annew, I never heard your voice....

Sandro Hawke: annew, I never heard your voice....

15:55:18 <Zakim> -??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P37

15:55:32 <fadmaa> ACTION: bhyland to pull the list of things to check and notify the group

ACTION: bhyland to pull the list of things to check and notify the group

15:55:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Pull the list of things to check and notify the group [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-26 - Pull the list of things to check and notify the group [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-12-15].

15:55:44 <fadmaa> TOPIC: F2F2

4. F2F2

15:55:49 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

15:56:15 <fadmaa> George: wiki page about F2F2 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

George Thomas: wiki page about F2F2 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

15:56:32 <Biplav> @bhyland please review update on action item 19 and close. Thanks.

Biplav Srivastava: @bhyland please review update on action item 19 and close. Thanks.

15:57:16 <fadmaa> bhyland: we do have to work on agenda

Bernadette Hyland: we do have to work on agenda

15:57:48 <fadmaa> cygri: Michael will be the point of contact

Richard Cyganiak: Michael will be the point of contact

15:58:00 <fadmaa> ...for the F2F meeting in Ireland

...for the F2F meeting in Ireland

15:58:16 <fadmaa> ...no capability of video conferencing

...no capability of video conferencing

15:58:49 <fadmaa> bhyland: chairs will be working on logistics... input is welcome on agenda

Bernadette Hyland: chairs will be working on logistics... input is welcome on agenda

15:59:07 <Zakim> - +1.703.362.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.703.362.aaff

15:59:20 <fadmaa> George: procurement discussion will be continued next week

George Thomas: procurement discussion will be continued next week

16:00:06 <fadmaa> bhyland: next week might be our last meeting this year or shall we have another one?

Bernadette Hyland: next week might be our last meeting this year or shall we have another one?

16:00:13 <sandro> no for 22nd, okay for 29th

Sandro Hawke: no for 22nd, okay for 29th

16:00:13 <Biplav> +1

Biplav Srivastava: +1

16:00:38 <gatemezi> ok for 22nd

Ghislain Atemezing: ok for 22nd

16:00:45 <Biplav> ok for 22nd

Biplav Srivastava: ok for 22nd

16:00:46 <cygri> i'm ok with 22nd

Richard Cyganiak: i'm ok with 22nd

16:00:49 <Yigal> OK for 22nd

Yigal Arens: OK for 22nd

16:00:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> okay bye

Bart van Leeuwen: okay bye

16:00:57 <bhyland> Thanks all!

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks all!

16:01:01 <Zakim> -biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: -biplav

16:01:02 <fadmaa> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

16:01:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/08-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

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16:01:05 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

16:01:07 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

16:01:15 <Zakim> -George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: -George_Thomas

16:01:17 <Zakim> -BernHyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -BernHyland

16:01:19 <Zakim> -Yigal

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yigal

16:01:21 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

16:01:23 <Zakim> -ChrisMusialek

Zakim IRC Bot: -ChrisMusialek

16:01:25 <Zakim> -tgheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tgheen

16:01:28 <gatemezi> -gatemezi

Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezi

16:01:31 <Zakim> -raphael

Zakim IRC Bot: -raphael

16:01:35 <Zakim> -DruidSmith_

Zakim IRC Bot: -DruidSmith_

16:01:53 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

16:01:55 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

16:01:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +030014aaaa, BernHyland, sandro, raphael, George_Thomas, Yigal, fadmaa, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.703.362.aabb, cygri, +1.202.566.aacc, DruidSmith_, +91.80.49.06.aadd,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +030014aaaa, BernHyland, sandro, raphael, George_Thomas, Yigal, fadmaa, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.703.362.aabb, cygri, +1.202.566.aacc, DruidSmith_, +91.80.49.06.aadd,

16:02:00 <Zakim> ... tgheen, biplav, +1.202.208.aaee, +1.703.362.aaff, ChrisMusialek

Zakim IRC Bot: ... tgheen, biplav, +1.202.208.aaee, +1.703.362.aaff, ChrisMusialek

16:04:53 <bhyland> zakim, aadd is Biplav

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aadd is Biplav

16:05:47 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

16:09:22 <fadmaa> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

16:09:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/08-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

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