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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 19 July 2011
<smaug> but Zakim bridge does say anything..
<smaug> I've always called to us number
AB: I submitted the draft agenda
). It is the same agenda as the June 28 draft agenda and that
meeting was canceled.
... without Laszlo nor Doug, we will probably skip their issues i.e. Issue-16 and Issue-17
... any change requests?
AB: Any short announcements?
<mbrubeck> https://market.android.com/details?id=org.mozilla.firefox_beta supports touch events
MB: FF beta on Android now supports Touch Events
AB: great news Matt!
AB: Issue-3 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ) has Action-52 for Matt ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/52 ). We last discussed this on June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item03 ).
MB: I think we have consensus on
... I just need to write the text
... and then send it for review
AB: is that on target for this week?
AB: so after you check in a change, will you notify the group?
DS: what is supported?
MB: supports most of the
... does not support touchleave and touchenter
... supports identifiedTouch method
... think it is the first browser to support that
<mbrubeck> The current version tracks only a single touch point at a time; multitouch will come later.
DS: what about touch area?
... it doesn't support that?
MB: that's correct we don't
... but we intend to support it
AB: Issue-16 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16
) has Action-53 for Doug ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/53
). We last discussed this on June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item04
... Doug, what's the status?
DS: I thought someone else agreed
to take this
... I will submit something today
AB: ok; great
AB: Issue-17 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/17
) has Action-55 for Laszlo ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/55
). We last discussed this on June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item05
... but Laszlo isn't here today
... so we should probably skip it
... All: Do we feel this must be addressed in v1 i.e. block Last Call Working Draft?
... broadly speaking, this issue is about WebKit compatibility. However, when I looked at the minutes, the specific sub-issues are unclear, possibly because the title of Issue-17 isn't quite right.
... which Interface and method(s) is this about? TouchEvent.initTouchEvent() and/or DocumentTouch.createTouch()?
... which parameter sets are we unsure about pageX/Y, clientX/Y, screenX/Y?
MB: there is an issue re webkit diffs with create method
DS: perhaps we should break it into separate issues
AB: that's fine with me
... what is the first sub issue here?
MB: the old issue can be
... the new issue is about parameters to initTouchEvent
[ Matt does some research ... ]
SM: there has been some related discussion on the webkit list
<mbrubeck> WebKit has screenX/Y and clientX/Y parameters in the initTouchEvent method, while the W3C spec does not; how are they used, and should they be added to the W3C spec (or removed from WebKit)?
<smaug> hmm, http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/UserExperience/Reference/TouchEventClassReference/TouchEvent/TouchEvent.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40009358 is strange. Apple's touch events take all sorts of coordinates as parameters to initToucEvent, but I can't see how one can access those values
MB: would be good if we could get those webkit people involved with our discussion
MB: we can also discuss this in the webkit bug
AB: my preference would be to
discuss this on public-webevents
... draft issue title is: align initTouchEvent parameters with webkit?
ISSUE: align initTouchEvent parameters with Webkit
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-19 - Align initTouchEvent parameters with Webkit ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19/edit .
AB: so should we close I-17 then?
MB: yes, I think the original issue is resolved
AB: any objections to closing I-17?
[ None ]
<scribe> ACTION: barstow close Issue-17 with poiner to 19-July-2011 minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Close Issue-17 with poiner to 19-July-2011 minutes [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-07-26].
AB: is there another issue here?
MB: no, I think we got it
AB: Issue-18 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/18 ) has Action-57 for Sangwhan ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/57 ). We last discussed this on June 21 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-minutes.html#item06 ).
SM: I wrote some preliminary
... not sure if this is what we want
... was focusing on the different lists
... I could use some help with example code
... and if anyone has suggestions, they would be welcome
DS: I'm skimming on it
AB: this seems to be a use case
... i.e. here's how you do X, here's how you do Z
SM: yes, that's right
DS: I think this is good as is
SM: there are some additional properties I could cover
DS: for a first example, I think
this is fine
... we can always add more later
MB: would like to write a narrative about how events are generated if a user uses multi touch
SM: yes, something like that
would be nice
... I don't recall any interesting graphics
DS: there is some precedence for that
AB: oh, yes, that would be welcome
SM: ok; then I'll create some more detailed example as Matt suggested
AB: should be encourage SM to checkin what he has?
AB: please do Sangwhan
... my proposal is that I close Issue-18 after Sangwhan's checkin
... and then any other non-normative examples can be checked in at any stage
... any objections to closing I-18 after SM's checkin?
[ None ]
AB: Doug has Action-56 "Update
the Touch Event spec to use markup to facilitate test case
extraction" ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/56
... I believe we want this before splitting the spec into v1 and v2
DS: I did some work on this
... I spent too much time with ReSpec
... we won't publish with Respec scripts active
... Matt has the action to split the spec into v1 and v2
... I apologize for the delay
MB: I can start on the v1 and v2 split
DS: not sure about the best way
... should I markup the spec before the split?
MB: if you are ready to start
adding testing markup
... think it would be easier if that was done before the v1/v2 split
DS: OK; I will add it this week
AB: how many are there?
DS: think there about 40 testable
... we can get real granular here
... and that can start to rat-hole
... Each testable assert will have 1) and ID; and 2) a class that says which "Conformance Class" it meets
... e.g. UA conformance; Author conformance; etc.
... Don't want to mark absolutely everything
... and then we can refine the approach as we go
... and perhaps be more detailed in v2
... has anyone started writing tests?
MB: we have written some
... want them to be usable for Touch Events spec
... I have checked in some tests already
SM: we have about 20 tests
... they match the spec rather than Webkit impl
... expect the WG can use them
... but they will need some cleanup first
AB: so it sound like Doug will have his markup changes by the end of this week
DS: yes, that is my plan
AB: so my conclusion is that
Issue-19 is the only piece of work we need to close
... and that we are getting close to LC
SM: the Khronos Group is working
on Stream Input
... seems to be in line with what we want to do in our High Level spec
AB: I wasn't aware of this work
SM: I am in contact with the
person behind this
... he seems to be interested in getting these specs to interoperate
... I hope to have some indepth discussions
DS: this looks related to W3C's
... especially their EMMA spec
... which is used for HTML Speech
OP: EMMA is a container for any speech recognition results
DS: yes, we should talk to
... especially if it is implemented in browsers
SM: yes, that's the point
... I think they haven't started much
... thus the earlier the better
AB: that's probably another good reason for us to move v1 to LC
SM: other WG members are involved with this Khronos effort
DS: agree we don't want fragmentation
<scribe> ACTION: barstow follow-up this Khronos Stream Input work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-webevents-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Follow-up this Khronos Stream Input work [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-07-26].
AB: others should read their doc too
DS: there is other stream-type
work going on at the W3C now
... e.g. the WRTC WG
AB: what about a meeting next
... plan on a meeting July 26
... meeting adjourned
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