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<emma> Previous: 2011-06-30 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html
<AlexanderH> Hi Emma, I only can follow via IRC today
<emma> Hi Alex, thanks for being online anyway !
<lai> hmm, a typo in my name ;-)
<digikim_> ARGH... how can it be that skype always wants to install something when I'm in a hurry
<kai> @digikim: Dialing in with google talk is for free and works very good
<dvilasuero> Hi, again having problems with my ip call
<dvilasuero> thanks antoine
<antoine> Scribe: Karen
<antoine> Scribenick: kcoyle
<emma> Chair: Antoine
resolved: accept minutes of previous teleconference
No call next week; next call 21 July
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
calls have been sent to most/all lists in link
digress.it plugin is installed, there are a few issues connecting
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
keeping track of comments and reviews
volunteers are keeping track of comments on the page
<scribe> ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action01]
<edsu> nice work on the blog btw, http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/w3clld/, i totally missed that it got done
Next, kcoyle for the next week, and then Jeff for the following week
<scribe> ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action02]
<emma> Kcoyle: section "scope of this report not commented"
<edsu> kcoyle: i don't recall comments about that, other than we should be talking about memory institutions and not cultural institutions, which should be included in the scope
<emma> ... need to take into account general comments
There has been a comment that we should use 'memory institutions' rather than 'cultural institutions'
<edsu> antoine: do you think we need to mention non-rdf linked data?
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
<edsu> kcoyle: i think we could say it *generally* uses rdf, rather than it *does* use rdf
<edsu> antoine: ok, i think that was included
<edsu> kcoyle: we could say library linked data is any library data that is expressed as linked data
<emma> +1
<dvilasuero> +1
<edsu> antoine: perhaps nuancing the rdf stuff, or removing it all together
<edsu> kcoyle: yeah, i can fit that in there
scribe: LLD = any library data expressed as linked data
<emma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0085.html
mentions research use of data
<edsu> kcoyle: this is the type of use case that makes me uneasy about using 'memory institutions'
<emma> Dikson's review proposes a specific use case on researchers publishing their data and model as well as their papers
<edsu> kcoyle: the emphasis is on keeping an archive, whereas current uses seem to be really important ... not so much about access to archives
<emma> I'm wondering if it fits in "benefits" or elsewhere in the report
<edsu> antoine: perhaps if we just say they are sometimes called 'memory institutions' that will do the trick
<edsu> kcoyle: they 'function' as memory institions, but that's not all they do
emma: cultural organization is more neutral and broader; memory institution seems limited to archiving
<kai> +1 for cultural institution
<dvilasuero> +1 kcoyle they could function as memory institutions
<antoine> +1 for cultural
emma: include definition of memory and cultural in the scope statement
<emma> +1 for cultural, could function as memory institutions
edsu: memory institution is more inclusive of the sciences; cultural feels more like history, literature, art (humanities)
<dvilasuero> +1 edsu, memory is more inclusive
edsu: there is also short-term memory
<kai> we should define it anyway. cultural could also be something like theatre. memory is only one aspect for me, access would be another.
antoine: define them together in scope
<emma> I just recorded a comment on the blog ;-)
<emma> will need to be turned into a sentence
i can try to write a sentence
<emma> ok
ok
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03]
Dickson's comment about using research data
<dvilasuero> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_Scientific_Datasets
daniel: there are some use cases talking about research and scientific data sets
antoine: issue of scope - not sure we should say that libraries should be curators of scientific data
emma: this is a scope issue - it is a benefit of LLD to link to scientific and research data
<edsu> emma: +1
<edsu> i don't think libraries are the only players in library linked data
antoine: this makes a connection between libraries and research data, but doesn't say that libraries need to manage the data
emma: will add a sentence
antoine: and make a link to the citation use case; try to relate to use cases elsewhere also
<dvilasuero> emma if you need a more comprehensive list of research data use cases just let me know
antoine: section on available
vocabularies and data sets
... some editorial comments have been received; also question
of division between vocabularies and data sets
... we already have discussed that
... value vocabs are datasets with a specific function
<edsu> kcoyle: i think even we find this to be ambiguous, i thought that we covered it in our wording, but if we acknowledge there is ambiguity then I think that takes care of it
antoine: wording needs to be more
explicit
... we agree that the definitions are not fixed but may depend
on context or use
relevant technologies section: Jeff has made changes based on Jon's comments
next: implementation challenges
both issues and recommendations sections will have many comments
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action06]
next: separate deliverable on vocabularies and datasets
nothing new to discuss here
next: use cases (Daniel)
daniel: adding comments to the clusters and use cases from discussions
antoine: use case owners should be able to help
<edsu> kai: are you at the provenance f2f?
<kai> edsu: unfortunately not
<edsu> kai: i guess there's no mtg today?
dvilasuero: will create a new wiki page with links to use cases; this can go into the running agenda
<kai> edsu: I don't think so
dvilasuero: could someone go through the report and give some feedback?
<emma> I'd like to do it, but I'm not sure I'll make it by july 22
antoine: best not to wait until end of comment period -- there won't be much time to do the edits at that point
maybe ask on the list?
<emma> ok so put me an action ;-)
<dvilasuero> thanks, karen maybe I could ask more explictly as I have already done but in other review emails
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07]
<dvilasuero> thanks a lot emma!!
kcoyle: executive summary?
antoine: no one yet assigned to work on this. Should be done at the very end
<scribe> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action08]
<digikim_> thanks
<dvilasuero> thanks!
<kefo> bye
<dvilasuero> bye
<jneubert> bye
meeting adjourned
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