Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference -- 30 Mar 2011

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<trackbot> Date: 30 March 2011

<r12a> hi addison, felix tried to join the telecon an hour ago(ish)

<scribe> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

<David> so am I

<matial> me too

<r12a> felix said that the calendar shows 1400 UTC for the call time

<r12a> i could try to start an adhoc conf call if you like

<fsasaki> yes, http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar.html#s_3878

argh. it was 1500 last week and adminreq replied

that they changed

please do

<r12a> but it booked the call

<r12a> i suggest you try joining

<r12a> addison

zakim is having the "not hearing the keystrokes" problem for me

<r12a> ok, kenny

Agenda

<kojiishi> hmm...zakim says "the conference is restricted at this time" and I can't join

norbert: we are on code 26631

not 4186

Action Items

Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place

set to mid-april to look

item 30...

Send note to html wg saying "no objection" is our official position on issue 17

Write a response on issue 88 indicating our support for the decision

close ACTION-31

<trackbot> ACTION-31 Send note to html wg saying "no objection" is our official position on issue 17 closed

close ACTION-32

<trackbot> ACTION-32 Write a response on issue 88 indicating our support for the decision closed

Info Share

felix: please look into the MLWeb workshop next week

Upcoming scheduling

<Norbert> * yes

CSS3 Character Orientation

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2011JanMar/0070.html

koji: in vertical text flows
... how do we determine which charactes to rotate or which to put sideways

<kojiishi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2011JanMar/0070.html

koji: been discussing with fantasai and () of Microsoft
... so I proposed email link above
... fantasai is okay
... talked to Ken Lunde
... looking forward to additional feedback

kennyluck: curious if webkit is implementing

koji: webkit has very tiny algorithm that doesn't work always

<kennyluck> cool!

koji: and we'll talk to dave hyatt to fix webkit
... uses open type features
... need a good spec for truetype, etc.

kennyluck: will discuss algorithm in chinese

<scribe> ACTION: kennyluck: ask chinese colleagues about character orientation spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Ask chinese colleagues about character orientation spec [on Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu - due 2011-04-06].

Various and sundry HTML5 issues

koji: have responded to ruby
... talking to ian

<kojiishi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830

html bug 10830

koji: not many users
... IE9 fixed their bug

<scribe> chair: time for a working group position?

koji: that would be great

kennyluck: can't be sure, but...
... IE9, safari, firefox accept tags

kennyluck: but they accept anything in angle brackets

koji: IE7/IE8 didn't parse correctly
... but <rb> tag parses correctly now
... interpretation currently broken

<kojiishi> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cruby%3E%3Crb%3Ebase%3C/rb%3E%3Crt%3Etext%3C/rt%3E%3C/ruby%3E

koji: IE7/8 do something completely broken

kennyluck: good criteria <rb> is whether when you say 'alert' it's considered ruby tag and not 'non-element'

addison: question is whether we have/don't have <rb> in spec

koji: IE parser is broken, so Ian wants to get rid of it
... but parser is not broken

<kennyluck> [[ Note that IE *does not parse* the <rb> element. It treats it like a void

<kennyluck> element. It completely ignores the tag for ruby processing as far as I can

<kennyluck> tell. <rb> has no effect on IE. ]]

<kennyluck> does not parse = does not understand

koji: could be interesting to ask Ian
... could make counter-proposal that if parser isn't broken
... that we could put it in
... I think we don't want to invalidate <rb> tag

addison: is it important for styling?

<scribe> chair: are we forming a WG position here, or do we want to consider in depth next week?

kennyluck: would one of us (koji) write a change proposal?
... editor won't write text for us

addison: note that this will be a post-LC bug
... first step is to escalate

this is our bug

<scribe> chair: enough here for WG to support bug opening?

kennyluck: no objection

koji: supports

addison: supports

norbert: part of argument is that some websites use <rb>, but if it doesn't show...

koji: ian states that IE doesn't support <rb>
... but statement is unclear
... fantasai and I understand that it's broken in DOM
... but actually renders
... since <rb> is supposed to do nothing

addison: it serves as a basis for styling

koji: tag has no default style
... but DOM is broken
... so if you use in IE7/8, it won't work
... can't style
... fixed in IE9
... so there is a browser that implements
... webkit has also implemented

norbert: that's the important argument

<kennyluck> I think the argument is that since all browser supports the HTML5 parser

norbert: and there are webistes that use
... so compatibility argument

<kennyluck> Anything like <rb> <c> <d> <e> will all be parsed as [HTMLUnknownElement]

norbert: supports

<scribe> ACTION: addison: add comment to bug 10830 supporting opening of it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add comment to bug 10830 supporting opening of it [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-04-06].

AOB?

kennyluck: interesting thing...

<kennyluck> Cultural section

kennyluck: missing item for Thai?

<kojiishi> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#text-decoration-skip

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Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

30 Mar 2011

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