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WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

01 Dec 2010

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Attendees

Present
Tal, ChrisL, +1.978.790.aaaa, Vlad
Regrets
Chair
vlad
Scribe
chrisl

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 01 December 2010

I started on a disposition of comments http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

<tal> I had some phone trouble this morning, maybe zakim got confused by me calling in twice?

<erik> I'm not able to call in today. I'll follow on IRC.

Vlad: having internet issues, will join shortly

epub update

<scribe> scribenick: chrisl

Vlad: strong interest in woff support from many participants, but Adobe representative is against WOFF for epub
... if publishers want it, they will add it
... waiting for response from internal Adobe discussions. May be opposition was based on resource issues

woff metadata comments

<tal> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

ChrisL: extensibility via namespaces is good for totally open extensibility

tal: we dont want it totally open ended

Vlad: want to not deviate too much from the original, and widely deployed, submission. This would be a breaking change
... and we do have an extensibility element

tal: fontshop and others are using woff with metadata - making all of those invalid is a problem

ChrisL: (explains last call process on getting a response back from commentor)

Vlad: dont like a breaking change
... dont want to invalidate the usage of early adopters

<scribe> ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].

<scribe> ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].

ChrisL: adding @url to license text elements is a good idea

(generally seem to be in favour of separate urls for license elements)

Vlad: additional metadata does not override the license

Vlad; link can point to a page with multiple further links

ChrisL: woff benefit is being explicit on license. prefer to have option for separate ones

Vlad: will discuss with Monotype legal

tal: nothing changes for existing users. it adds options

ChrisL: important that this is not a breaking change

Vlad: easier for distributors to use a single place provided by the font owner

tal: mentioned that url at top of license, so should allow to have no text below. some foundries want just a link, no text.

ChrisL: please send that as a separate comment

Vlad: spec is clear that the text in a license element is about the license, not a copy of the license
... better to have some text, for users

tal: made some fonts for a foundry and they said that they wanted just a url, no text
... spec currently says we need both
... should it be either/or

ChrisL: seems more reasonable to me

test plan issues

tal: do we neeed null bytes. some things like that came up in the test plan, they are in red

http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-UserAgent

tal: in the process of doing the test plan, multiple spec read-thoughs turned up some issues.
... some are clear, like the file has to be long enough to contain the header
... if the flavour is in contradiction with the actual table data. spec is silent on that.

ChrisL: there are multiple flavours for truetype

tal: thses have caused problems for text engines before

Vlad: packaging mechanism is separate - if you package a broken thing, the package is not at fault

tal: jdaggett said list them all, so i did

Vlad: think that particular one is out of scope

tal: its additional tests

Vlad: may cross boundary between packaging and font sanitising

ChrisL: these are good for a validator, but in spme cases its not the woff spec that is violated but the OT spec

tal: some t=of these are crashing bugs for certain OS
... number of tables, needs to be parseable
... some are tagged as format bit also need to be UA conformance as well
... read the wiki pages

Vlad: anything here needs more discussion?

tal: tried to be very clear

Vlad: lets discuss on email and make resolutions next week on the red items

http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-Format

tal: have worked on infrastructure for tests
... have been reading the css testsuite documentation

adjourned

(general appreciation for tal's work)

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
 
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