IRC log of webfonts on 2010-12-01

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Zakim, this will be 3668

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ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 01 December 2010

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+Tal

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+ChrisL

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I started on a disposition of comments http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

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+tal.a

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+ +1.978.790.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is Vlad

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+Vlad; got it

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Tal, ChrisL, tal.a, Vlad

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On IRC I see erik, sylvaing, Zakim, RRSAgent, tal, ChrisL, trackbot

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I had some phone trouble this morning, maybe zakim got confused by me calling in twice?

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I'm not able to call in today. I'll follow on IRC.

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Vlad: having internet issues, will join shortly

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-Vlad

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+Vlad

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Topic: epub update

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scribenick: chrisl

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Vlad: strong interest in woff support from many participants, but Adobe representative is against WOFF for epub

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... if publishers want it, they will add it

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... waiting for response from internal Adobe discussions. May be opposition was based on resource issues

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Topic: woff metadata comments

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http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

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ChrisL: extensibility via namespaces is good for totally open extensibility

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tal: we dont want it totally open ended

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Vlad: want to not deviate too much from the original, and widely deployed, submission. This would be a breaking change

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... and we do have an extensibility element

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tal: fontshop and others are using woff with metadata - making all of those invalid is a problem

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ChrisL: (explains last call process on getting a response back from commentor)

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Vlad: dont like a breaking change

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... dont want to invalidate the usage of early adopters

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action: chris to respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata

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Created ACTION-51 - Respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].

15:22:35 [ChrisL]

action: chris to respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting

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Created ACTION-52 - Respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].

15:23:59 [ChrisL]

ChrisL: adding @url to license text elements is a good idea

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(generally seem to be in favour of separate urls for license elements)

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Vlad: additional metadata does not override the license

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Vlad; link can point to a page with multiple further links

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ChrisL: woff benefit is being explicit on license. prefer to have option for separate ones

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Vlad: will discuss with Monotype legal

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tal: nothing changes for existing users. it adds options

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ChrisL: important that this is not a breaking change

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Vlad: easier for distributors to use a single place provided by the font owner

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tal: mentioned that url at top of license, so should allow to have no text below. some foundries want just a link, no text.

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ChrisL: please send that as a separate comment

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Vlad: spec is clear that the text in a license element is about the license, not a copy of the license

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... better to have some text, for users

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tal: made some fonts for a foundry and they said that they wanted just a url, no text

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... spec currently says we need both

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... should it be either/or

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ChrisL: seems more reasonable to me

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Topic: test plan issues

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tal: do we neeed null bytes. some things like that came up in the test plan, they are in red

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http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-UserAgent

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tal: in the process of doing the test plan, multiple spec read-thoughs turned up some issues.

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... some are clear, like the file has to be long enough to contain the header

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... if the flavour is in contradiction with the actual table data. spec is silent on that.

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ChrisL: there are multiple flavours for truetype

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tal: thses have caused problems for text engines before

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Vlad: packaging mechanism is separate - if you package a broken thing, the package is not at fault

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tal: jdaggett said list them all, so i did

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Vlad: think that particular one is out of scope

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tal: its additional tests

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Vlad: may cross boundary between packaging and font sanitising

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ChrisL: these are good for a validator, but in spme cases its not the woff spec that is violated but the OT spec

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tal: some t=of these are crashing bugs for certain OS

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tal: number of tables, needs to be parseable

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tal: some are tagged as format bit also need to be UA conformance as well

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... read the wiki pages

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Vlad: anything here needs more discussion?

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tal: tried to be very clear

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Vlad: lets discuss on email and make resolutions next week on the red items

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http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-Format

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tal: have worked on infrastructure for tests

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... have been reading the css testsuite documentation

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adjourned

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zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been Tal, ChrisL, +1.978.790.aaaa, Vlad

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chair: vlad

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(general appreciation for tal's work)

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL

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-Tal

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-tal.a

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-ChrisL

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-Vlad

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IA_Fonts()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Tal, ChrisL, +1.978.790.aaaa, Vlad

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