<pimpbot> planet: Firefox tip: Disable unused plugins <11http://ilias.ca/blog/2010/09/firefox-tip-disable-unused-plugins/>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10692] New: Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0860.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] New: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0861.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0862.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10692] Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0864.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10692] Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0865.html>

<anne> Julian, so I think HEAD and OPTIONS are not preserved either but I would have to test

<anne> Julian, 303 does not preserve them either right? I think browsers treat all three the same

<anne> (I realize in the past I have claimed OPTIONS ought to work, but I'm no longer convinced that is really needed.)

<anne> Julian, didn't we use OPTIONS on advice of some HTTP WG members?

<anne> Julian, in retrospect CORS or some such might have been better indeed

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0866.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10694] Specify window.console" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0869.html> 4** [Bug 10694] New: Specify window.console. Without it scripts around the web break because the author left in a console.something. Not sure which members are required; Opera has log, warn, error, info. They should be defined to either do nothing or show the arguments conver <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10427] Object should be a little less scoping <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0870.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10427] Object should be a little less scoping" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0871.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10694] Specify window.console <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0872.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10694] Specify window.console" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0873.html>

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<rubys> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 23 September 2010

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<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0026.html

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

ACTION items due by Thursday, Sept 23

paulc: none

New Issues This Week

paulc: none seen

Items Closed Last Week

ISSUE-116?

<trackbot> ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-116 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: closed as a result of (non-)action by the WG

<paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0193.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-116 text-alternative by Amicable Consensus from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

Items Closing This week

ISSUE-41?

<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: had a call for revised change proposals due yesterday
... 2 remaining proposals
... haven't seen subsequent e-mail on this so assuming these proposals are okay and chairs will issue a survey on this

rubys: makes sense for us to issue a survey after this call

ISSUE-110?

<trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: we were calling for consensus on the original issue

<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0178.html

<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-110 sandbox-type-owner by Amicable Consensus from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-15 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: don't believe we had any responses to this

<rubys> +1

paulc: if there are no objections we will adopt this, since we didn't get any objections we'll take this
... chairs will process that after this meeting too

paul: item 4c on the agenda is the call for consensus for heartbeat working drafts that also closed yesterday

<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0180.html

<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish eight heartbeat drafts as FPWDs from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-15 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paul: seen several letters of support
... none against so assume that this resolution is adopted
... chairs will now ask the editors to prepare the documents for publication and determine the schedule

<paulc> MikeSmith: Can you take care of a publication cycle?

paulc: did you have a target date?

rubys: nothing other than early October

paulc: okay, let's aim for early october

Items Closing Next Week

ISSUE-117?

<trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-117 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: this issue will be closed without prejudice if there is no proposal by monday (sep 27)

<paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0299.html

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-117 (deprecate-noscript): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Sam Ruby on 2010-08-25 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: don't believe we have any proposals, good opportunity for people to be aware that this will be closed without prejudice unless someone steps forward
... this is imminently going to close and chairs will likely take action before next meeting without a proposal

Outstanding Call for proposals

ISSUE-118?

<trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-122?

<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-123?

<trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-123 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: call for proposals are due on Oct 17

Outstanding Call for counter proposals

ISSUE-27?

<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: call for counter proposal closes on oct 17

<paulc> Mark N status update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0187.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-27: rel-ownership - Call for counter proposals from Mark Nottingham on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

New Calls this week

ISSUE-119?

<trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: this closes on oct 24

ISSUE-74?

<trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-105?

<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> Request for input: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html

paulc: these two in combination with eachother

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: chairs reviewed these two issues and came up with 5 questions that covers these
... asked for input from the wg that if we survey on these questions we get the result the group expects
... chairs think it would be best to survey these questions separately - if the group is amenable we will go ahead
... if we get no objections will likely get a survey early next week
... archive shows no responses so far

ISSUE-103?

<trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0227.html

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103: XML escaping in iframe/srcdoc - Straw Poll for Objections from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: sam issued this in the last 48 hours - closes on sep 29
... straw poll for objections on solutions to this issue
... has the a11y tf looked at this mail - are they aware of it?

janina: we did not specifically discuss in today's call
... will make sure people are aware of it - i think we're okay with what has been proposed

paulc: what we're looking for is feedback on whether the 5 questions will draw out the right response

janina: i'll make sure i follow up on that

paulc: given the deadline, i suggest forwarding to the tf mailing list

janina: agreed

cyns: perhaps the canvas subteam should discuss

paulc: an immediate feedback might be that giving us only until sep 29 might not be enough given rush to oct 1
... we might be open to extend the deadline
... this e-mail is not about the change proposal but about how the survey will be done
... i'd like people to comment on how the chairs are going about the survey

janina: i'll look and make sure if we need more time we ask by early next week

Issue updates

paulc: repeated a couple from last week

ISSUE-85?

<trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> Last week's report: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0189.html

<pimpbot> Title: ARIA mapping status update from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: i included the report from last week - don't believe anything newer is available?

mjs: agreed, nothing new yet - will review

paulc: the a11y tf has asked if the rhythm of this will be impacted by the oct 1 deadline
... we need to figure this out because we're trying to file bugs on both spec and change proposal

mjs: the general thing we've said is if anyone wants a bug to be considered after oct 1 we will deal with on a case by case basis
... if there are things coming out of an existing issue we'd probably approve if they were done promptly
... should take offline

paulc: agreed. we should let janina know we will be discussing

ISSUE-9?

<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: wasn't here for last week's call - not sure if we're getting feedback, are we making progress?
... is silence affirmation of the requirements?

janina: i'm not sure how else to take this
... we worked hard on this in the media sub-team and have reached out to experts where they have typically been implemented
... we're pretty happy that it is complete - if there are no additional comments, silence is probably agreement
... we're looking at what impact this has on the spec, we're planning one more bug on this
... we're also identifying the priorities and what to work on first
... there's a request that will be coming to ask for 3 sections that were once in the spec (timed tracks) that has been improved in the WHAT specs that we'd like brought back
... but without the specificity of the format
... as far as the user requirements, we were asked to not assume that the whole wg has agreed
... but i think that is what paul is asking about, are these in fact the requirements

paulc: yes, i haven't seen much commentary on this - does the WG believe these are all the requirements or that there is a minimum set
... disappointed with the response given all the work that has gone into the requirements but maybe the group is insensitive to requirements and more responsive to change proposals

mjs: we agreed to come up with a short text to send to the group to give a little more context for the requirements
... and explicitly state that without comment they are approved

<janina> Here's the URI for our tech reqs and dependencies from the user reqs on media a11y:

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Media_Accessibility_Checklist

<pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Checklist - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)

mjs: the action is on me to send this, we need to put the group on notice that they should speak now

<scribe> ACTION: maciej to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted [on Maciej Stachowiak - due 2010-09-30].

Bugzilla notifications

paulc: discussion on the list about what level of bugzilla notifications people want to receive on the list

<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0224.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: Bug mail (Was: [Bug 10479] add role=radiogroup to details element) from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: last item i saw was from maciej asking mike smith to make it so

mjs: i spoke to mike about this and he agreed to work on this - i think this may be set-up so not 100% sure
... best for mike to confirm if changes complete

paulc: we will carry this item forward and the chairs will follow-up with mike

mjs: think things are configured correctly

<mjs> MikeSmith, Zakim just got your voice mail

HTML WG F2F meeting at TPAC

paulc: thur and fri nov 4/5
... sent a reminder to the wg about this

<paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0226.html

<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG F2F meeting, Nov 4-5 at TPAC 2010, Lyon, France from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: chairs are planning to follow the unconference style again
... the way that works is that we have lightning talks on the first day to generate topics
... and organise the agenda from there
... plenary is on wed, the day before
... i've been asked to organise a panel on html v.next
... soliciting participants to talk about everything beyond html5
... wg members might be interested in helping
... also sent to a11y tf - some people interested in participating on topics
... also suggested topics related to 3d work outside w3c
... if wg members have topics they are interested in in advance that will help
... tpac registration closes in october and there is a daily fee that goes up drastically after that date
... details in the mail thread

janina: i can't imagine we wouldn't want to spend time on a11y work, just not sure what topics yet
... agenda driven by who is able to attend

paulc: yes, like the wg as a whole
... we'll run an unconference meeting based on who is there
... we should have some concrete proposals and having the opportunity to discuss f2f will help move forward

janina: always thought conferences good for this
... i also have a request - i think it would be valuable to have a html5 a11y presentation on the plenary day
... think media would be the strongest topic - using html5 for media delivery on whatever platform
... the fact that we're addressing this area is the biggest news that people might not be aware of
... and would be useful on the plenary day

Other business

paulc: anyone?

Scribe for next meeting

paulc: any volunteers to scribe?
... chairs will find somebody

Adjournment

paulc: adjourned, thanks

<paulc> Meeting adjourned at :38

<Laura> bye

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