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<AxelPolleres> I have some question for AOB on the rif:imports issue.
<ChrisW> Scribe: Adrian Paschke
<AxelPolleres> from SPARQL
<ChrisW> scribenick: AdrianP
<ChrisW> last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Aug/0017.html
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Accept last meeting minutes
ChrisW: minutes approved
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Accept last meeting minutes
Sandro: RDF Database working
group addressing database queries
... how rules and queries creating constructive views interact
<Harold> Michael and I discovered: RDB2RDF's "Direct Mapping in RIF"
Leora: action Send stella recommendations to improve UCR-4.7a test case continued
ChrisW: can the test case be
... with a meaningfull title
Stella: yes, can do
<ChrisW> ACTION: rename UCR 4.1.3, etc to meaningful names [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - rename
ChrisW: issue was that these test cases have a lot of stuff in it - serving as an example but not as a test case
Doug: leave it and put a comment
in the test case
... comment in the ontology
<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to update TC 4.1.3 to indicate there is non-essential information unlike most test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1040 - Update TC 4.1.3 to indicate there is non-essential information unlike most test cases [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].
<trackbot> Sorry... closing ACTION-1083 failed, please let sysreq know about it
action 1038 closed
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 1038
<trackbot> ACTION-1038 Move approved test cases to approved status closed
Sandro: need to talk to
... need to put in text about RIF Import from RDF
... RIF side it would be a note, on the SPARQL side it would be in the spec
<AxelPolleres> what's the URI at the moment?
Axel: put the text from my mail about it into the text?
Sandro: probably yes - Sandro needs to be detailed
Axel: had some text in my last mail
Sandro: this should turn into a real section http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_In_RDF#Importing_RIF_into_RDF
Axel: worried about inconsistencies
<AxelPolleres> need to check possible inconsistencies... sigh.
ChrisW: SWC deals with importing RDF into RIF
Sandro: just looking just as SWC, RIF imports RDF which might import again RIF
Axel: recursive import do not work if just defined in SWC
Sandro: systems which do SWC and systems which do SWC + this RIF in RDF import
Axel: Sandro and I will have a call about it;
<ChrisW> ACTION: Sandro to discuss with Axel the imports issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1041 - Discuss with Axel the imports issue [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-08-31].
Axel: my issue was the URI which needs to work for SPARQL. is not an issue if we define it in the RIF document
Garry: wait for Christian on this
Leora: some sections need fine tuning
ChrisW: added some more examples, e.g. http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Primer#Third_Example
Leora: compatibility, test
... data types
ChrisW: deadline to finish Primer
is end of this week
... deadline for reviews next week
<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to ping EricP on Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1042 - Ping EricP on Primer [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-08-31].
Harold: Eric Prud'hommeaux already reviewed it
<AxelPolleres> I have one more AOB from SPARQL
<AxelPolleres> (for the end is fine)
Stella: what would be the deadline for it
Sandro: RIF in RDF could be ready for review in two weeks
ChrisW: version has been already
been reviewed; not much changes needed
... no editorial changes are fine for RIF test
Sandro: test reports from third parties could be useful
Leora: is there a pointer in the test document
Stella: it is in the introduction
ChrisW: 7 test cases have not been approved yet
Adrian: it retracts the complete frame ex:john[ex:status -> "normal" ex:test -> "some value"
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Retract
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Retract
<ChrisW> ACTION: stella move Retract TC to approved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1043 - Move Retract TC to approved [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].
<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to hide "import profile" in test cases listing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1044 - Hide "import profile" in test cases listing [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].
Axel: SPARQL Entailment should be
reviewed by someone from Rif
... review end of September
... probably document ready by mid of September
ChrisW: think Mike already took an action to do it
<Harold> What about progress on http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Implementations ?
Harold: table of implementations - any progress there?
<Harold> Reminder to send implementation reports?
Sandro: some new projects
Sandro: should add a category on RIF here
<sandro> new category....? "RIF Tool" maybe?
<sandro> "RIF Consumer" and "RIF Producer"
Harold: would be great to have a documentation of the translator used for the test cases
Sandro: could ask the developers to add Wikipage to the SemWeb tools site
ChrisW: status of Silk?
Mike: not decided yet
... portion of it might become open sources
Open Call for RIF Demos at Rule Challenge at RuleML-2010 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Aug/0011.html
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