<TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html

<monica> \me zakim mute me

<bvatant> zakim please mute me

<edsu> i always fumble around w/ scribing :)

antoine: ok, next planned mtg, then ;)

<TomB> scribe: rsinger

OK!

<TomB> scribenick: rsinger

<edsu> rsinger++

Admin

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Propse to accept minutes?

resolved

<antoine> RESOLVED: To accept minutes of previous telecon: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: accept meeting minutes of previous telecon: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html

F2F Meetings

Meeting in Pittsburgh around DC2010

Looking for next actions in the LLD space

What has/has not worked in the DCMI Abstract Model

How to move forward constructively

Sat/Sun, have a meeting room @ DC2010

no registration fee

antoine: sure
... wireless costs $350/day

:)

scribe: $10-15/person to provide wireless for the day

<kcoyle> ++ pass the hat

<edsu> +1

<GordonD> +1

-- TomB will send proposal to the list

<marcia> +1

scribe: will convene by noon(?) on Sunday so people can catch flights
... discussion continues re: F2F at SWIB in Cologne

Use cases

TomB: any comments on selections of links and the way they're characterized?
... update schedule

<edsu> :-)

<edsu> oh, kai isn't here ...

TomB: who wants to take the lead on the use cases?

kcoyle: What do we need to do?
... it would be great to know what goes in each part of the use case / many things being left blank
... there are very large use cases, like how we deal with legacy data, are those appropriate as use cases?

emma: we need to test use case template within the group

that is emma, right?

thanks

kcoyle: on the use case notes page, we can put an FAQ?

antoine: we can use the discussion section of the use case template page

<emma> +1

antoine: this was kai's suggestion

kcoyle: we should note this somewhere

<TomB> Karen and Antoine propose to use http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Talk:Use_Case_Template

kcoyle: i will add a note to the use case template to use the discussion section

<GordonD> next week's telecon islast chance to discuss use cases before end august deadline, so +1 to use wiki between now and then - assuming we stick to deadline

+1

<antoine> kcoyle ++

<bvatant> +1

<GordonD> +1 for karen's suggestion

<marcia> +1

<kcoyle> Emma -- didn't understand your last comment

emma: can you repeat?

<antoine> ->

<antoine> ->jneubert's use case

emma: jneubert has added two sections to template

<monica> emma: joachim has added some sections to his template

<antoine> +1 for including prototype in "related work" but explaining it in the template

<antoine> s/Related Work/Existing Work

jneubert: it is not only about technology but applications or prototypes in template
... in the Existing Work section

<Zakim> michaelp, you wanted to suggest discussing use cases one by one on future telecon

michaelp: go through the use cases one by one in a telecon so we can all contribute to filling the blanks to give input to the use case creators

<TomB> +1 michaelp's suggestion

michaelp: the target audience really depends on the use case, in jneubert's case it is really an application, in other cases, it's really a task

<emma> +1 to comment the use cases 1 by 1

<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on Joachim's case

antoine: use next teleconf to discuss the use cases
... wanted to mention jneubert's use case

TomB: the schedule
... we are still at the gathering and development of scenarios

<GordonD> it would be useful for me to extend schedule

TomB: should we revise expectations?

<kcoyle> yes

<GordonD> +1

<monica> +1

<bvatant> +1

<kcoyle> Sep 15?

<michaelp> +1

TomB: continue the action Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes

<kai> +q

antoine: kcoyle asks if the deadline can be extended until sep. 15th

<TomB> +1 for extending deadline

antoine: there can be contribution after the next teleconf

<kcoyle> ok, i agree

<bvatant> ok for this

<GordonD> thanx for clarification from antoine

kai: Are there more ideas for extensions to the template?

TomB: there was general approval of jneubert's additions
... look at specific use cases/examples and use those examples to make decisions how to modify templates

kai: i like the new sections, we'll have a deeper look and discuss next time

<antoine> me re. joachim's new section, for one of them (prototype) could be in Existing work but explicitly documented in the template instruction for that section

LLD Topic List

heh

s/LLC/LLD

kcoyle: the topic list hasn't been refined in a while. do we want further refinement? it is still very informal

BAH

TomB: will be put on the agenda in Pittsburgh

<antoine> +1

NISO Institutional Identifier (I2) working group

marcia: Already submitted

<marcia> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/NISO-I2

marcia: recorded in wiki page

<antoine> ACTION: Marcia to send (informal) group's comment on I2 before the deadline for comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

marcia: sent note to mailing list referring to: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/NISO-I2

TomB: send it to our list as well, just for the public record

<scribe> ACTION: marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02]

Library Data resources, and Library Terminology pages

kcoyle: there is room for other bullet points on the library data resources wiki page
... this grew very quickly. we have begun one of the possible tasks.
... a vision of what the range is of library that we need to incorporate into our thinking of linked data
... came out of work I was doing with OpenLibrary - libraries have their own language - so we use terms that librarians understand, but no one else
... these aren't formal definitions, helps people understand what librarians mean
... encourage people on the public list to contribute
... started to gather together lists of vocabularies already in use for library linked data

<kcoyle> not me

<scribe> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06]

<bvatant> yes!

Reports from IFLA

<GordonD> q

GordonD: IFLA was productive from the LLD perspective - started putting some info. out on the mailing list
... on the FRBR stuff, hoping to be able to put something out within 2-3 weeks
... also release an unbounded set of properties and see what happens with community uptake

<bvatant> http://www.slideshare.net/event/ifla-2010-world-library-and-information-congress-76th-ifla-general-conference-and-assembly

GordonD: FRBR, as is, is deprecated in favor of a consolidated model combining FRBR and FRSAD
... bibliographic description different than FRBR, more similar to RDA
... specific rules about how elements should be displayed
... will use a DC application profile for this
... will feed back into DCMI and LLD
... hope to make a crosslinking between FRBR and ISBD
... much of the discussion taking place around linked data

emma: A lot of general interest on semweb at IFLA
... important session on libraries and semweb, quite long for IFLA (4 hours?)
... on a Sunday morning!
... complementary to the technical work, special interest group within IFLA on the general interest, training, etc.

next telecon

TomB: next conference, next week

how do i do that?

i did that

<scribe> --CONTINUES

hmm

<scribe> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]

well, that's in there twice, now

GordonD: so i expect that in duplicate

<jneubert> bye

<MarkVanAssem> bye

<antoine> bye, Mark!

<antoine> ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes . Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

ok, so i download, edit and send to the list?

<TomB> sees on the phone: TomB, emma, antoine, MarkVanAssem (muted), marcia, GordonD, monica (muted), edsu, bvatant (muted), kcoyle, Wolfgang, rsinger, jon, michaelp (muted), Kai,

<antoine> jneubert

yes

no, but i can be

oh, ok

sounds good

alright

perfect

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