HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 22 Apr 2010

<trackbot> Date: 22 April 2010

<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon

<janina> agenda: this

<MichaelC> chair: Janina_Sajka

<dboudreau> hardly... englisj is second language ans i have a hard time following most of the time (accents and stuff)

<dboudreau> and*

<inserted> Scribe: Marco_Ranon

<inserted> scribenick: Marco_Ranon

i can try but my irc seems a bit unstable

<dboudreau> i wouldn't dare ask ;p

<oedipus> there is still time to fill out http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/ if you haven't; want to know what others thought? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/results

Action Item Review

<MichaelC> action-2 due 6 May

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Deliver draft of change proposal for ARIA additions to HTML 5 by 2009-12-24 due date now 6 May

<MichaelC> action-22 due 30 June

<trackbot> ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force due date now 30 June

<MichaelC> close action-25

<trackbot> ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments closed

<MichaelC> action-25: OBE or done

<trackbot> ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments notes added

JS is action 25 still relevant?

SF: yes

<MichaelC> action-25: This is about techniques for text alternatives

<trackbot> ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments notes added

<MichaelC> open action-25

JS: media sub-team: trying to organise conf calls

JF: trying to find the right time, possibly by today. discussion in progress.

[discussion over the right time]

JS: probably Wednesday 22:00 UTC

<oedipus> JFoliot's email on timing of Media call: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/0191.html

<oedipus> Media call planning thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/thread.html#msg186

Table Issues/Proposals Update

<wendy> 1. Look into previous HTML specifications (where table was first

<wendy> introduced) to see if there is any clue why column methods were never

<wendy> included (or perhaps they were included then scrapped for some

<wendy> reason).

<wendy> 2. Talk with Philippe le Hegaret about DOM work wrt tables and find

<wendy> out more about history of table methods from him. Ask him about

<wendy> feasibility of column methods and row/span calculations.

<wendy> 3. Create some test files and figure out exactly how the col elements

<wendy> is used. Learn more about it.

<wendy> 4. Dig into the existing table algorithms (in the HTML5 spec) and put

<wendy> a few test cases through to determine if the new algorithm clears up

<wendy> ambiguities with row and columns spans.

<wendy> 5. Spell out column apis and pass them past NVDA (Mick), Opera

<wendy> (Charles), IE (Cynthia?), Webkit (?? James Craig), Mozilla (??) to

<wendy> check for implementation feedback and feasibility.

<wendy> 6. If all this looks good, write a change proposal for the affected

<wendy> parts of the HTML5 spec and send past the task force.

thanks Wendy :)

<oedipus> scribenick+ Marco_Ranon

JS: how long will this take? We need deadlines

Gregory: will help Wendy

JS: hopefully we'll be able to protect the @summary and get rid of many change proposals

<gfreed> 617.300 is gfreed at wgbh.

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table_Summary

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32

CS: will need to discuss wendy's proposal in conjunction to summary

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table_Headers

CS: would be July OK? When is the cut off?

PC: difficult to predict. That's the WG wants hard dates

Wendy: need help but it could be done by July 9?

JS: we need to commit to realistic deadlines
... we shouldn't decide now. We'll discuss it by emails

<cyns> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements

Recommendation on ISSUES-90, 91, 93, 95, 96, & 97

<oedipus> shelley should be referred to F2F minutes

MC: we didn't submitted change proposals because we didn't support the issues

<dboudreau> all good

SC: we need to officially support a zero change proposal

text alternatives

JS: survey still openuntil tonight

<oedipus> vote so far: 21 yes, 1 abstain, 0 no

JS: if there are no oppositions, we'll endorse this results
... but we need a formal vote

<dboudreau> formal vote would happen here or email?

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126

<oedipus> aria-labelledby implicitly bound to aria-label

sorry - who asked?

thanks

JRG: has been @aria-label omitted by design?

JS: no

CS: probably @aria-label needs to be made explicit

<oedipus> aria-labelledby associated with an appropriate aria-label

<janina> Further to discussion since the face-to-face meeting in the past couple weeks, this change proposal does include that a

<janina> missing text alternative should be an error in conformance checkers. We expect the error text would reference

<janina> additional guidance on text alternatives in WCAG support materials.

<oedipus> plus 1

<dboudreau> +1

<cyns> +1

<John> +1

<janina> HTML5 Change Proposal: Replace img Guidance for Conformance Checkers

<eric_carlson> +1

<jongunderson> +1

<kliehm> +1

<Stevef> +1

<AllanJ> +1

<kford> +1

<frankolivier> +1

<gfreed> +1

<oedipus> would it be better to propose final text in a CfC (call for consensus)

<paulc> No vote.

JS: it might be necessary. can we set it up today?

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/

JS: still vote on the survey

deadlines

JS: Media: still to be agreed

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas

JS: canvas: 12th May

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Proposals

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings

JS: ARIA mapping?

CS: JUly probably, no precise date yet

<oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0003/2dcontext10-Apr-11.html

<oedipus> specific questions for Canvas Sub-Group members from RichS: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/0003.html

SF: agreed, not sure yet where we stand

CS: early July deadline, but I'm also working on other early July deadlines.

SF: CS, can you go through items you agree with, so we can show some progress?

CS: yes

<oedipus> TWO MINUTE WARNING

PC: the WG chairs want to see bugs before going to last call

<oedipus> plus 1 to a dedicated bug processing meeting (for at least an hour and a half)

JS: no time for open bugs. we need a specific meeting for this, in a week or two

yes pleas

<dboudreau> take care all

HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

22 Apr 2010

Attendees

Contents

Action Item Review

Table Issues/Proposals Update

Recommendation on ISSUES-90, 91, 93, 95, 96, & 97

text alternatives

deadlines

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output