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13:35:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
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13:35:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
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13:35:48 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:35:48 <trackbot> Date: 08 April 2010
13:36:07 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0026.html
13:36:28 <manu> Regrets: Steven, Markus, BenA, Steven
13:36:30 <manu> Present: Manu, Ivan, Dongmei, Toby, Shane, Abhijit, Benjamin, Knud, MarkB
13:42:55 <manu> PRE-TELECONFERENCE DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
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Manu Sporny: PRE-TELECONFERENCE DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ←
13:42:58 <manu> Dongmei, is this your first W3C telecon?
Manu Sporny: Dongmei, is this your first W3C telecon? ←
13:43:10 <dongmei> this is my first teleconference
Unknown Dongmei: this is my first teleconference ←
13:43:12 <dongmei> yes
Unknown Dongmei: yes ←
13:43:15 <manu> ok
Manu Sporny: ok ←
13:43:36 <manu> well, usually what happens during a telecon is a review of action items, then we go through the agenda.
Manu Sporny: well, usually what happens during a telecon is a review of action items, then we go through the agenda. ←
13:43:46 <manu> todays agenda is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0026.html
Manu Sporny: todays agenda is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0026.html ←
13:44:31 <dongmei> thank you
Unknown Dongmei: thank you ←
13:44:35 <manu> This working group is currently trying to get our documents in order for our first publishing cycle - which is called First Public Working Draft
Manu Sporny: This working group is currently trying to get our documents in order for our first publishing cycle - which is called First Public Working Draft ←
13:44:58 <dongmei> i see
Unknown Dongmei: i see ←
13:45:37 <manu> We must submit the drafts next week to W3C Publications - at which time they will be announced and placed on the W3C website for public review.
Manu Sporny: We must submit the drafts next week to W3C Publications - at which time they will be announced and placed on the W3C website for public review. ←
13:46:24 <manu> W3C Working groups are usually required to publish drafts every couple of months (usually 2-4 months) to demonstrate that we're making progress.
Manu Sporny: W3C Working groups are usually required to publish drafts every couple of months (usually 2-4 months) to demonstrate that we're making progress. ←
13:47:03 <dongmei> what happens after the review, go to next draft?
Unknown Dongmei: what happens after the review, go to next draft? ←
13:47:09 <manu> This Working group started in February 2010, so we're in the 3rd month of operation - thus, we're trying to demonstrate progress by publishing three documents: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 and RDFa DOM API.
Manu Sporny: This Working group started in February 2010, so we're in the 3rd month of operation - thus, we're trying to demonstrate progress by publishing three documents: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 and RDFa DOM API. ←
13:47:46 <manu> Well, the review and working on the next draft happen at the same time... so while the public is reviewing the First Public Working Drafts, we work on the next draft in parallel
Manu Sporny: Well, the review and working on the next draft happen at the same time... so while the public is reviewing the First Public Working Drafts, we work on the next draft in parallel ←
13:48:19 <dongmei> i see
Unknown Dongmei: i see ←
13:48:26 <markbirbeck> Hi Manu. I'm going to have trouble making the call.
Mark Birbeck: Hi Manu. I'm going to have trouble making the call. ←
13:48:39 <manu> ahh, too bad :(
Manu Sporny: ahh, too bad :( ←
13:48:43 <markbirbeck> I've answered the poll, and I wanted to update you on the API.
Mark Birbeck: I've answered the poll, and I wanted to update you on the API. ←
13:49:03 <manu> What's up with the API?
Manu Sporny: What's up with the API? ←
13:50:04 <markbirbeck> I've written a wiki-based first draft, but it's not in a spec format. I was hoping to get Benjamin's input earlier this week but that didn't happen.
Mark Birbeck: I've written a wiki-based first draft, but it's not in a spec format. I was hoping to get Benjamin's input earlier this week but that didn't happen. ←
13:50:34 <markbirbeck> If I work with him tomorrow afternoon (assuming he is free), will we still make your schedule?
Mark Birbeck: If I work with him tomorrow afternoon (assuming he is free), will we still make your schedule? ←
13:50:53 <manu> We submit to W3C Pubs next Thursday
Manu Sporny: We submit to W3C Pubs next Thursday ←
13:51:05 <manu> so as long as it's done before then (with a little time for review), then we're good.
Manu Sporny: so as long as it's done before then (with a little time for review), then we're good. ←
13:51:38 <markbirbeck> (I can be on IRC during the call, by the way, if you want to ask Benjamin what his availability is on the call. It's just that I've got a lot of things that must be done by close of play today.)
Mark Birbeck: (I can be on IRC during the call, by the way, if you want to ask Benjamin what his availability is on the call. It's just that I've got a lot of things that must be done by close of play today.) ←
13:52:00 <markbirbeck> Ok. Great.
Mark Birbeck: Ok. Great. ←
13:52:04 <manu> sure, if you can stick around on IRC, that would be great.
Manu Sporny: sure, if you can stick around on IRC, that would be great. ←
13:52:08 <markbirbeck> Will do.
Mark Birbeck: Will do. ←
13:52:25 <manu> I'll follow-up after the call to see how we can get this done before next Thursday.
Manu Sporny: I'll follow-up after the call to see how we can get this done before next Thursday. ←
13:54:24 <manu> zakim, code?
Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←
13:54:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu ←
13:56:21 <manu> Benjamin, Mark said that he put something on the wiki - RDFa API stuff - needs you to review it, give feedback and integrate it if possible.
Manu Sporny: Benjamin, Mark said that he put something on the wiki - RDFa API stuff - needs you to review it, give feedback and integrate it if possible. ←
13:56:38 <Benjamin> Oh sure
Benjamin Adrian: Oh sure ←
13:56:43 <manu> Benjamin, Could you work with Mark tomorrow on that, or some time early next week?
Manu Sporny: Benjamin, Could you work with Mark tomorrow on that, or some time early next week? ←
13:56:59 <Benjamin> Early next week would be better
Benjamin Adrian: Early next week would be better ←
13:57:08 <Benjamin> Since when is it in the wiki?
Benjamin Adrian: Since when is it in the wiki? ←
13:57:21 <manu> earlier this week... don't know the url... Mark?
Manu Sporny: earlier this week... don't know the url... Mark? ←
13:57:47 <markbirbeck> Didn't say it was in the wiki...sorry.
Mark Birbeck: Didn't say it was in the wiki...sorry. ←
13:57:53 <markbirbeck> It's in 'wiki format'. :)
Mark Birbeck: It's in 'wiki format'. :) ←
13:58:01 <manu> oh - ha!
Manu Sporny: oh - ha! ←
13:58:12 <Benjamin> ok, where can I read it :)
Benjamin Adrian: ok, where can I read it :) ←
13:58:22 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:58:34 <markbirbeck> I'd like to go through it with you Benjamin.
Mark Birbeck: I'd like to go through it with you Benjamin. ←
13:58:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
13:59:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:59:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:59:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:59:24 <Zakim> +knud
Zakim IRC Bot: +knud ←
13:59:32 <Knud> zakim, mute me
Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←
13:59:32 <Zakim> knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: knud should now be muted ←
13:59:35 <Zakim> +[MIT528]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[MIT528] ←
13:59:49 <Zakim> +tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster ←
14:00:16 <Zakim> +Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←
14:00:26 <markbirbeck> Even if it's just briefly tomorrow, on IM.
Mark Birbeck: Even if it's just briefly tomorrow, on IM. ←
14:00:42 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
14:00:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Ivan, knud (muted), [MIT528], tinkster, Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Ivan, knud (muted), [MIT528], tinkster, Benjamin ←
14:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see tinkster, Benjamin, Knud, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, dongmei, markbirbeck, ivan, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tinkster, Benjamin, Knud, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, dongmei, markbirbeck, ivan, manu ←
14:01:10 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller.a is manu
Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller.a is manu ←
14:01:10 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
14:01:44 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is Abhijit
Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is Abhijit ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> +Abhijit; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Abhijit; got it ←
14:02:47 <ivan> zakim, MIT528 is dongmei
Ivan Herman: zakim, MIT528 is dongmei ←
14:02:47 <Zakim> +dongmei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dongmei; got it ←
14:02:52 <manu> zakim, who is on the call
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call ←
14:02:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', manu
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', manu ←
14:02:54 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:02:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Abhijit, manu, Ivan, knud (muted), dongmei, tinkster, Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Abhijit, manu, Ivan, knud (muted), dongmei, tinkster, Benjamin ←
14:03:54 <ivan> Scribe: Knud
(Scribe set to Knud Möller)
14:03:56 <ivan> scribenick: Knud
14:04:16 <Knud> TOPIC: Action Items
14:04:16 <manu> Agenda for today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0026.html
Manu Sporny: Agenda for today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0026.html ←
14:04:54 <Knud> ACTION-20, Mark has written something up, Benjamin needs to review it
ACTION-20, Mark has written something up, Benjamin needs to review it ←
14:04:54 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Work with Benjamin to revise RDFa DOM API 1.1 notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-20 Work with Benjamin to revise RDFa DOM API 1.1 notes added ←
14:05:58 <Knud> there is a pseudo-deadline for those documents next week
there is a pseudo-deadline for those documents next week ←
14:06:33 <Knud> there will be a vote on those documents next week
there will be a vote on those documents next week ←
14:08:05 <Knud> Manu: any objections to publishing first version of RDFa DOM API 1.1 as it is now?
Manu Sporny: any objections to publishing first version of RDFa DOM API 1.1 as it is now? ←
14:08:31 <Knud> Ivan: this will need to be answered next week
Ivan Herman: this will need to be answered next week ←
14:09:24 <Knud> Manu: will send document with W3C publication requirements to Benjamin
Manu Sporny: will send document with W3C publication requirements to Benjamin ←
14:09:35 <Benjamin> q+
Benjamin Adrian: q+ ←
14:09:58 <manu> ack benjamin
Manu Sporny: ack benjamin ←
14:10:18 <Knud> Benjamin: some native speaker please review api document
Benjamin Adrian: some native speaker please review api document ←
14:10:46 <manu> ACTION: Manu to review RDFa DOM API document before FPWD
ACTION: Manu to review RDFa DOM API document before FPWD ←
14:10:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Review RDFa DOM API document before FPWD [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-04-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-22 - Review RDFa DOM API document before FPWD [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-04-15]. ←
14:10:53 <Benjamin> thanx Manu
Benjamin Adrian: thanx Manu ←
14:11:16 <manu> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVqnjblvbeDwZGY2Nm4zdm5fMGduNWg2a2My&hl=en
Manu Sporny: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVqnjblvbeDwZGY2Nm4zdm5fMGduNWg2a2My&hl=en ←
14:12:13 <manu> trackbot, comment ACTION-21 document is annotated at: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVqnjblvbeDwZGY2Nm4zdm5fMGduNWg2a2My&hl=en
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-21 document is annotated at: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVqnjblvbeDwZGY2Nm4zdm5fMGduNWg2a2My&hl=en ←
14:12:13 <trackbot> ACTION-21 Review RDFa Core 1.1 notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-21 Review RDFa Core 1.1 notes added ←
14:13:22 <Knud> TOPIC: Support prefix in RDFA Profile documents
14:13:30 <manu> http://www.doodle.com/69pimmumcwd62thr
Manu Sporny: http://www.doodle.com/69pimmumcwd62thr ←
14:14:14 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:14:22 <Knud> 9 in favour, 2 opposed (Ben Adida amd Toby Inkster)
9 in favour, 2 opposed (Ben Adida amd Toby Inkster) ←
14:17:49 <manu> PROPOSAL: Support the declaration of prefixes for CURIEs in the RDFa Profile document.
PROPOSED: Support the declaration of prefixes for CURIEs in the RDFa Profile document. ←
14:17:57 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:18:05 <Knud> +1
+1 ←
14:18:06 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:18:13 <Benjamin> +1
Benjamin Adrian: +1 ←
14:18:19 <ShaneM> +1 I guess
Shane McCarron: +1 I guess ←
14:18:25 <tinkster> I think this is a bad idea because if the profile document disappears, the CURIE looks like a URI. But I'm not going to -1, so I'll +0.
Toby Inkster: I think this is a bad idea because if the profile document disappears, the CURIE looks like a URI. But I'm not going to -1, so I'll +0. ←
14:18:46 <manu> RESOLUTION: Support the declaration of prefixes for CURIEs in the RDFa Profile document.
RESOLVED: Support the declaration of prefixes for CURIEs in the RDFa Profile document. ←
14:19:13 <ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM ensure prefix declarations are permitted in RDFa Profile documents
ACTION: ShaneM ensure prefix declarations are permitted in RDFa Profile documents ←
14:19:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Ensure prefix declarations are permitted in RDFa Profile documents [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-23 - Ensure prefix declarations are permitted in RDFa Profile documents [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-15]. ←
14:19:52 <Knud> TOPIC: ISSUE-13, empty @typeof creates bnode
14:20:10 <Knud> all in favour in the doodle poll
all in favour in the doodle poll ←
14:20:12 <ShaneM> So, if @typeof is present and has no value or has an illegal value, a bnode is created
Shane McCarron: So, if @typeof is present and has no value or has an illegal value, a bnode is created ←
14:20:14 <manu> PROPOSAL: Support an empty @typeof attribute triggering bnode creation: typeof="" creates a bnode
PROPOSED: Support an empty @typeof attribute triggering bnode creation: typeof="" creates a bnode ←
14:20:15 <tinkster> (I think this is how a lot of RDFa 1.0 processors work anyway.)
Toby Inkster: (I think this is how a lot of RDFa 1.0 processors work anyway.) ←
14:20:36 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:20:39 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:20:39 <Knud> +1
+1 ←
14:20:42 <Benjamin> +1
Benjamin Adrian: +1 ←
14:21:05 <tinkster> +1
Toby Inkster: +1 ←
14:21:32 <manu> RESOLUTION: Support an empty @typeof attribute triggering bnode creation: typeof="" creates a bnode
RESOLVED: Support an empty @typeof attribute triggering bnode creation: typeof="" creates a bnode ←
14:22:06 <manu> PROPOSAL: Support the existence of a @typeof attribute containing no valid terms/CURIES triggering bnode creation: typeof="invalidfoo"
PROPOSED: Support the existence of a @typeof attribute containing no valid terms/CURIES triggering bnode creation: typeof="invalidfoo" ←
14:22:26 <tinkster> +1
Toby Inkster: +1 ←
14:22:29 <Knud> +1
+1 ←
14:22:31 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:22:33 <Benjamin> +1
Benjamin Adrian: +1 ←
14:22:34 <ShaneM> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
14:22:35 <ivan> (addition to Toby, this is also how my distiller works already...)
Ivan Herman: (addition to Toby, this is also how my distiller works already...) ←
14:22:36 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:22:50 <tinkster> Both of these already work in RDF::RDFa::Parser.
Toby Inkster: Both of these already work in RDF::RDFa::Parser. ←
14:23:35 <tinkster> relative URIs are only for about/resource/src/href
Toby Inkster: relative URIs are only for about/resource/src/href ←
14:23:47 <manu> RESOLUTION: Support the existence of a @typeof attribute containing no valid terms/CURIES triggering bnode creation: typeof="invalidfoo"
RESOLVED: Support the existence of a @typeof attribute containing no valid terms/CURIES triggering bnode creation: typeof="invalidfoo" ←
14:24:17 <Knud> TOPIC: ISSUE-14, alternate prefix declaration mechanism
14:24:40 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to add text about @typeof to RDFa Core
ACTION: Shane to add text about @typeof to RDFa Core ←
14:24:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Add text about @typeof to RDFa Core [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-24 - Add text about @typeof to RDFa Core [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-15]. ←
14:24:45 <Knud> four different options in doodle poll
four different options in doodle poll ←
14:24:49 <manu> The options we are discussing are:
Manu Sporny: The options we are discussing are: ←
14:24:51 <manu> prefix="a=http://example.org/ay# b=http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a=http://example.org/ay# b=http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:24:56 <manu> prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:25:02 <manu> prefix="a: http://example.org/ay#; b: http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay#; b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:25:09 <manu> prefix="a http://example.org/ay# b http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a http://example.org/ay# b http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:25:23 <manu> This seems to have the most support: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: This seems to have the most support: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:25:25 <tinkster> The RDF::RDFa::Parser already supports the equals-sign syntax, though it's disabled by default. (I think PyRDFa does too.)
Toby Inkster: The RDF::RDFa::Parser already supports the equals-sign syntax, though it's disabled by default. (I think PyRDFa does too.) ←
14:25:48 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:25:56 <ShaneM> q+ to express opposition as well
Shane McCarron: q+ to express opposition as well ←
14:26:02 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
14:26:12 <Knud> URIs already contain colons, which is why some don't like colon-based option
URIs already contain colons, which is why some don't like colon-based option ←
14:26:38 <Knud> Toby and Ivan don't like this
Toby and Ivan don't like this ←
14:27:15 <Knud> Ivan: equal sign option is less error-prone
Ivan Herman: equal sign option is less error-prone ←
14:28:03 <manu> This is what XML Schema location uses: prefix="a http://example.org/ay# b http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: This is what XML Schema location uses: prefix="a http://example.org/ay# b http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:29:37 <Knud> toby: this option might lead to maintenance issues when people delete declarations
Toby Inkster: this option might lead to maintenance issues when people delete declarations ←
14:29:38 <manu> prefix="a: http://example.org/ay#; b: http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay#; b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:29:59 <tinkster> semicolons are valid parts of URIs anyway.
Toby Inkster: semicolons are valid parts of URIs anyway. ←
14:30:18 <ShaneM> Yeah - we cant use semicolons
Shane McCarron: Yeah - we cant use semicolons ←
14:30:33 <manu> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
14:30:33 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to express opposition as well
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to express opposition as well ←
14:31:25 <tinkster> people who are used to CSS will forget about the space.
Toby Inkster: people who are used to CSS will forget about the space. ←
14:31:36 <tinkster> the space isn't needed in CSS.
Toby Inkster: the space isn't needed in CSS. ←
14:32:07 <manu> prefix="a=http://example.org/ay# b=http://example.org/bee#"
Manu Sporny: prefix="a=http://example.org/ay# b=http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:32:08 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:33:13 <tinkster> seems like a sensible way out.
Toby Inkster: seems like a sensible way out. ←
14:33:17 <Knud> ivan: this is hard to resolve, yet only a small syntax issue. Let's adopt the one with most votes for the moment.
Ivan Herman: this is hard to resolve, yet only a small syntax issue. Let's adopt the one with most votes for the moment. ←
14:33:26 <ShaneM> Thats fine
Shane McCarron: Thats fine ←
14:33:31 <manu> PROPOSAL: Support the colon/whitespace syntax for the prefix attribute: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#"
PROPOSED: Support the colon/whitespace syntax for the prefix attribute: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:33:36 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:33:38 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:33:40 <Knud> +1
+1 ←
14:33:42 <tinkster> +1
Toby Inkster: +1 ←
14:33:49 <Benjamin> +1
Benjamin Adrian: +1 ←
14:34:13 <manu> RESOLUTION: Support the colon/whitespace syntax for the prefix attribute: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#"
RESOLVED: Support the colon/whitespace syntax for the prefix attribute: prefix="a: http://example.org/ay# b: http://example.org/bee#" ←
14:34:40 <Knud> TOPIC: RDFa Core issues
14:35:35 <manu> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
14:35:39 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
14:36:39 <Knud> Ivan: where does the split between RDFa Core and host languages (XHTML, ...) go?
Ivan Herman: where does the split between RDFa Core and host languages (XHTML, ...) go? ←
14:37:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:37:22 <ivan> ack manu
Ivan Herman: ack manu ←
14:37:24 <Knud> Manu: to be independet from e.g. XHTML, we might have to move references to things like "head", etc. to the host languages
Manu Sporny: to be independet from e.g. XHTML, we might have to move references to things like "head", etc. to the host languages ←
14:37:38 <Knud> manu: but that would lead to a lot of duplication between core and host languages
Manu Sporny: but that would lead to a lot of duplication between core and host languages ←
14:37:56 <manu> q+ to discuss @rel/@rev
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss @rel/@rev ←
14:38:22 <Knud> (can someone post the link the this thread on the mailing list?)
(can someone post the link the this thread on the mailing list?) ←
14:39:17 <manu> This is one of the threads: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0004.html
Manu Sporny: This is one of the threads: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Apr/0004.html ←
14:41:26 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
14:41:41 <ShaneM> and @content and @property
Shane McCarron: and @content and @property ←
14:41:52 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
14:41:52 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss @rel/@rev
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to discuss @rel/@rev ←
14:41:54 <tinkster> I think @src/@href need to be in Core. Otherwise establishing subject URIs can become error-prone.
Toby Inkster: I think @src/@href need to be in Core. Otherwise establishing subject URIs can become error-prone. ←
14:41:55 <Knud> ivan: referring to elements is more problematic than referring to attributes
Ivan Herman: referring to elements is more problematic than referring to attributes ←
14:42:11 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/D002012D-DB62-45A0-A37C-01060A6314D6@w3.org my last mail on that issue
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/D002012D-DB62-45A0-A37C-01060A6314D6@w3.org my last mail on that issue ←
14:42:16 <tinkster> <head>/<body>/<base> I'm happy to live in XHTML+RDFa.
Toby Inkster: <head>/<body>/<base> I'm happy to live in XHTML+RDFa. ←
14:42:51 <ShaneM> me too, really. but we would need to change the sequence to not talk about head and body.
Shane McCarron: me too, really. but we would need to change the sequence to not talk about head and body. ←
14:43:35 <ShaneM> The current document says "This specification assumes that certain elements are present in the Host Language (e.g., head). If these elements are not supported in the Host Language, then the corresponding processing rules are not relevant for that language." Does that help?
Shane McCarron: The current document says "This specification assumes that certain elements are present in the Host Language (e.g., head). If these elements are not supported in the Host Language, then the corresponding processing rules are not relevant for that language." Does that help? ←
14:45:17 <tinkster> They are stupid rules.
Toby Inkster: They are stupid rules. ←
14:46:25 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/xhtml-rdfa/Overview-src.html#additional-rdfa-processing-rules
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/xhtml-rdfa/Overview-src.html#additional-rdfa-processing-rules ←
14:46:49 <tinkster> The default subject is *already* the current document in RDFa 1.0.
Toby Inkster: The default subject is *already* the current document in RDFa 1.0. ←
14:47:05 <tinkster> e.g. <html property=":foo" content="bar" />
Toby Inkster: e.g. <html property=":foo" content="bar" /> ←
14:47:49 <tinkster> Or a typeof on <head>.
Toby Inkster: Or a typeof on <head>. ←
14:49:34 <ShaneM> tinkster, You are correct.
Shane McCarron: tinkster, You are correct. ←
14:50:20 <tinkster> The XHTML namespace isn't the default prefix.
Toby Inkster: The XHTML namespace isn't the default prefix. ←
14:50:40 <Knud> ivan's other issue is use of xhtml namespace as default namespace
ivan's other issue is use of xhtml namespace as default namespace ←
14:50:42 <tinkster> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml> vs <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#>.
Toby Inkster: <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml> vs <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#>. ←
14:51:15 <tinkster> The XHTML vocab is generically useful though - I've used it in Turtle.
Toby Inkster: The XHTML vocab is generically useful though - I've used it in Turtle. ←
14:51:35 <ShaneM> I agree - I think it provides a nice base of terms that will always be available.
Shane McCarron: I agree - I think it provides a nice base of terms that will always be available. ←
14:52:10 <tinkster> Create a unified vocab, but place it at <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#> for 1.0 compatibility.
Toby Inkster: Create a unified vocab, but place it at <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#> for 1.0 compatibility. ←
14:56:18 <manu> q+ to end the telecon
Manu Sporny: q+ to end the telecon ←
14:57:07 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:57:26 <Benjamin> I would be really thankful for any input or comments
Benjamin Adrian: I would be really thankful for any input or comments ←
14:57:46 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
14:57:54 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to end the telecon
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to end the telecon ←
14:58:08 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
14:59:07 <dongmei> +q
Unknown Dongmei: +q ←
14:59:14 <dongmei> thank you all, i've enjoyed a great experience here.
Unknown Dongmei: thank you all, i've enjoyed a great experience here. ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> -tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> -dongmei
Zakim IRC Bot: -dongmei ←
15:01:06 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:01:08 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:10 <Zakim> -Abhijit
Zakim IRC Bot: -Abhijit ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> -Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:01:15 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> -knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -knud ←
15:01:26 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:01:28 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
15:01:33 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/08-rdfa-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/08-rdfa-minutes.html ivan ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, knud, tinkster, Benjamin, manu, Abhijit, dongmei, ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ivan, knud, tinkster, Benjamin, manu, Abhijit, dongmei, ShaneM ←
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