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<kliehm> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 28 January 2010
<mjs> I'l be dialed in shortly, havng minor phone difficulties
<paulc> [Microsoft] has paulc
<paulc> does someone want to volunteer to scribe?
<mjs> Zakim: pick a scribe
<scribe> scribenick: adrianba
ACTION-29?
<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
mjs: plh on vacation so not going to give an update
paulc: PSIG prepared FAQ for
March AC meeting
... believe W3C plans to do survey of membership before meeting
mar 22/23
... discuss results then
mjs: when plh is back can fill in details
<MikeSmith> MikeSmith concurs with Paul's summary
ACTION-138?
<trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-01-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
<paulc> Philippe is actively working on ACTION-29
<paulc> PSIG is discussing this actively.
janina: could we leave this with the TF
mjs: need deadline and responsible party to report back at deadline
<paulc> Could this one be subsumed by ACTION-170?
<masinter> action-170?
<trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Michael(tm) Smith to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
janina: could be added to 170, yes
<masinter> action-170 says it is Michael(tm) Smith, not Janina
<masinter> got it
paulc: this is just a zakim issue - action states it belongs to janina
mjs: let's table discussion for now until 170 complete
<paulc> We0 could consider making ACTION-138 part of ACTION-17
ACTION-168?
<trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Michael(tm) Smith to prepare H:TML for First Public Working Draft -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/168
mjs: this is the document
discussed with TAG who are interested in having published
... should change status to be non-normative
<paulc> I think MikeSmith is muted
mjs: because of prior discussions
mikesmith: ready to go
... just need to know what to do next
mjs: post on mailing list and say
that
... have document to nominate as FPWD
<MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/
mjs: chairs will issue cfc when discussion settles down
paulc: is it so close to publication we could consider publishing with next round of heartbeat docs
mikesmith: up to you - don't want this to hold up other docs
<masinter> the opinions about "heartbeat" documents are individual, not linked
mikesmith: if no objections, would be great to publish alongside
<paulc> Thanks for the explanation.
mjs: will be discussing individual so should consider being in same set
mikesmith: okay, will announce today with intention to publish alongside other docs
ACTION-170?
<trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Michael(tm) Smith to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
<paulc> When Mike does the announcement one of the chairs will close ACTION-168
mjs: can we have a status update?
janina: short update is we
believe will be finished by end of june
... have looked at various 90+ bugs on html5 with kw a11y
... looked at grouping into topics that could have change
proposals
... such as alt summary title display
... tentatively approved by tf as meaningful way to
proceed
... might need sub-teams
... haven't yet got specific about timelines
... some of issues such as canvas - expect report at end of
feb
... video like that
... concerned that not further along
... these both need engineering
... have 10 topic areas
<Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Accepted by the A11y TF
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/accepted
<Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Rejected by the A11y TF
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/rejected
janina: might not need to take up
all of them
... wai might pick up some
... didn't get as far with scoping as hoped but general
agreement on these
... 2 per month takes us to june
... working on drafting consensus process - approved
today
... this pushed summary back one week
... looking at list of 10, actively working on half already
<Laura> proposed consensus document: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/html/consensus-procedures.html
mjs: sounds good, useful
update
... when will be a good time to give update on timeline?
janina: end of each month?
mjs: sooner if possible, on these
10 areas some already have been escalated to issues
... some may have not yet so if there is at least one bug in
each category finding time to decide if you want to escalate
would be good
<Laura> Accessibility Change Proposal Status: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
mjs: to get these into html wg tracker
janina: each of the 10 do have
bugs
... we going through the areas and identifying the list of
bugs
... we can do that
<paulc> Could you also give us at least the two first areas to come back to the WG?
michael: might be able to have first draft by next week but these things take longer so 2 weeks is better
mjs: 2 weeks sounds good
ACTION-172?
<trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
<Laura> Proposal on categories for bugs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0246.html
mjs: larry requested extension which was granted - skipping over this
<masinter> I sent some additional comments which we could discuss on the list
mjs: we'd like to publish new
round of WD
... only remaining blocker is ian making revisions to microdata
draft
... to be more standalone
... and address those objections from first call about being
separate from html5
... held up by technical issues
... will get status update later today - maybe additional
week
... that is our only blocker
... want this done asap
masinter: made comments about rdfa that manu might not have done yet
mjs: thinks manu said he has done this
masinter: not convinced microdata is in scope - not sure how that has been addressed
mjs: fine to mention that again at time of cfc if you believe it hasn't been fully addressed
masinter: will send to the list about this
ISSUE-81?
<trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
mjs: roy won't have time to start
soon
... week of extra time in case anyone else wanted to pick this
up
... seems like no one has volunteered
... so we're going to close without prejudice
... doesn't mean nothing can ever happen but someone would need
to do change proposal work to reopen for consideration
... chairs tried to find volunteer but we don't have anyone
yet
masinter: TAG discussion on what
the wording might be - mail on this in the last week
... if i bring it up in tag this morning could we wait until
tomorrow
mjs: sure
... let's do that - extra day for tag consideration otherwise
closed tomorrow
mjs: shelley accepted to do these by mar 1
<mjs> s/mar 1 / mar 31/
mjs: we do have 1 volunteer for each but if someone else wants to as well that would be fine
ISSUE-93?
<trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
ISSUE-94?
<trackbot> ISSUE-94 -- Split Web Application Core and UA specific elements into separate spec -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/94
ISSUE-96?
<trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
ISSUE-97?
<trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
mjs: if anyone cares about these
and wants to pursue them and help shelley you can do so
... questons?
mjs: chairs identified 3 issues to move on and hopefully resolve quickly
iSSUE-83?
<trackbot> ISSUE-83 -- Use of the dt and dd elements in figure and details content models -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
mjs: multiple change proposals
and discussion
... almost come to consensus agreement
... minor sticking point about name
... final chance to remove objections about summary or
dsummary
... will revise change proposal and let other chairs decide if
necessary
... they will probably make a cfc or maybe a poll
... should have this settled in a week or two
issue-66?
<trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
mjs: had a change proposal to
remove the para referencing user agents doing image analysis
for images lacking alt
... some discussion on this - could be removed, maybe add
statement allowing UA to do this and refer to UA a11y
guidelines
... hoping we can reach consensus on this
... if not we'll ask for counter proposals
issue-27?
<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
mjs: change proposal to use
registry for rel
... believe objections have been addressed
... if there isn't anything else soon then expect to just cfc
on this or ask editor to just make changes
... these are 3 to focus on now, as these are closed out will
move on others
... questions or comments?
issue-99?
<trackbot> ISSUE-99 -- meta/@scheme missing -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/99
mjs: julian raised this based on bugzilla pending bug
<Laura> HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference Minutes:
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-a11y-minutes.html
julian: this is one of many
issues that could be opened about things that have been removed
from html4
... related to other issue about media type registration
... which was moved to other product
... general issue is that spec changes media registration to
point to html5 and potentially makes existing conforming
documents non-conforming
... this might not be the most important but we have
others
... at some point we'll need to decide what to do here
mjs: we should discuss on mailing list
mjs: we have already heard from a11y task force
<krisk> Group met as planned on 1/26
krisk: update on testing tf
<krisk> Meeting notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jan/0011.html
krisk: met as planned on
1/26
... 4 new action items
<krisk> #1 Complete submission for window security tests (Sec 5.3.1) http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/5
<krisk> #2 Create Initial/Example set ref test for HTML5 Test Suite http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/6
<krisk> #3 Gather content sniffing parser tests http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/7
krisk: if someone wants to volunteer for submitting reference tests that would be good
<krisk> Create initial set of tests (css, dom functionality) that are needed for running test cases http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/8
krisk: coming back in 2 weeks with update
<masinter> note that content sniffing IETF draft was updated independently
mjs: meeting adjourned
<Laura> bye
<cardona507> goodbye
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