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15:00:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-sparql-irc
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15:00:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:00:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:00:29 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:29 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2011
15:00:34 <sandro> zakim, code?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, code? ←
15:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro ←
15:00:42 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting
Sandro Hawke: trackbot, start meeting ←
15:00:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:00:47 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:47 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2011
15:01:07 <kasei> Zakim, who is here?
Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei ←
15:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro ←
15:01:48 <sandro> zakim, this is sparql
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is sparql ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:01:55 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.899.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, ??P15, ??P11, ??P17, ??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.781.899.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, ??P15, ??P11, ??P17, ??P16 ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro ←
15:02:12 <bglimm> Who I am I
Birte Glimm: Who I am I ←
15:02:24 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:02:33 <bglimm> How can I do hands up?
Birte Glimm: How can I do hands up? ←
15:02:34 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is me
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> +sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro; got it ←
15:02:36 <swh> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:02:36 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
15:02:51 <swh> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:02:57 <swh> Zakim, q=
Steve Harris: Zakim, q= ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> swh, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'
Zakim IRC Bot: swh, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...' ←
15:02:57 <sandro> queue=
Sandro Hawke: queue= ←
15:03:06 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P16 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P16 is me ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:03:08 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode ←
15:03:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'passcode', chimezie ←
15:03:16 <cbuilara> q+
Carlos Buil Aranda: q+ ←
15:03:16 <sandro> zakim, code?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, code? ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro ←
15:03:17 <swh> chimezie, 77277
Steve Harris: chimezie, 77277 ←
15:03:18 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:03:18 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:03:19 <cbuilara> q-
Carlos Buil Aranda: q- ←
15:03:23 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:03:40 <cbuilara> zakim, aaaaa is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, aaaaa is me ←
15:03:40 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaaa' ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:03:47 <AndyS1> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:03:47 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it ←
15:03:55 <Zakim> -??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11 ←
15:03:59 <chimezie> ty
Chimezie Ogbuji: ty ←
15:04:15 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:04:19 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:04:26 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aacc ←
15:04:31 <sandro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402
15:04:33 <sandro> chair: Sandro
15:04:35 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aacc is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aacc is me ←
15:04:36 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402.html
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402.html ←
15:04:36 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
15:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.324.aadd ←
15:04:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:43 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:04:54 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Scribe_List
Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Scribe_List ←
15:04:59 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:04:59 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:05:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:05:52 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:05:57 <AndyS1> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, kasei, MattPerry, swh, ??P17, bglimm (muted), pgearon, AndyS1, cbuilara, chimezie (muted), +1.617.324.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sandro, kasei, MattPerry, swh, ??P17, bglimm (muted), pgearon, AndyS1, cbuilara, chimezie (muted), +1.617.324.aadd ←
15:06:00 <sandro> NickH, ?
Sandro Hawke: NickH, ? ←
15:06:38 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Eric
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is Eric ←
15:06:38 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric; got it ←
15:06:59 <Olivier> Olivier also on the phone
Olivier Corby: Olivier also on the phone ←
15:07:28 <sandro> zakim, ?P17 is Olivier
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ?P17 is Olivier ←
15:07:28 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '?P17'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '?P17' ←
15:07:31 <sandro> zakim, P17 is Olivier
Sandro Hawke: zakim, P17 is Olivier ←
15:07:31 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P17' ←
15:07:34 <sandro> zakim, ??P17 is Olivier
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P17 is Olivier ←
15:07:34 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Olivier; got it ←
15:07:43 <sandro> zakim, pick a scribe
Sandro Hawke: zakim, pick a scribe ←
15:07:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara ←
15:08:00 <cbuilara> ok
Carlos Buil Aranda: ok ←
15:08:04 <cbuilara> yep
Carlos Buil Aranda: yep ←
15:08:09 <sandro> scibe: cbuilara
Scribe problem: the name 'scibe' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carlos Buil Aranda Olivier Corby Souripriya Das Orri Erling Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Paul Gearon Birte Glimm Steve Harris Sandro Hawke Nicholas Humfrey Ivan Mikhailov Chimezie Ogbuji Alexandre Passant Matthew Perry Axel Polleres Andy Seaborne Gregory Williams Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown scibe: cbuilara [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:08:14 <sandro> scribe: cbuilara
(Scribe set to Carlos Buil Aranda)
15:08:35 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall ←
15:08:49 <cbuilara> Sandro: Agenda, to approve LC documents, post last call
Sandro Hawke: Agenda, to approve LC documents, post last call ←
15:09:05 <cbuilara> Sandro: any other issue?
Sandro Hawke: any other issue? ←
15:09:38 <bglimm> Minutes
Birte Glimm: Minutes ←
15:09:39 <AndyS1> We aren't repub JSON results in this cycle, are we?
Andy Seaborne: We aren't repub JSON results in this cycle, are we? ←
15:09:39 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-13
Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-13 ←
15:10:01 <cbuilara> Sandro: do we have a meeting next week?
Sandro Hawke: do we have a meeting next week? ←
15:10:06 <sandro> PROPOSED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd
PROPOSED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd ←
15:10:16 <cbuilara> Sandro: any objections to that?
Sandro Hawke: any objections to that? ←
15:10:18 <pgearon> seconded
Paul Gearon: seconded ←
15:10:18 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:10:21 <cbuilara> +1
+1 ←
15:10:22 <chimezie> i can hear u
Chimezie Ogbuji: i can hear u ←
15:10:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd
RESOLVED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd ←
15:10:35 <sandro> topic: Query
15:11:01 <bglimm> I reviewed it and I am ok with publishing Query
Birte Glimm: I reviewed it and I am ok with publishing Query ←
15:11:06 <cbuilara> Sandro: any comments or concerns?
Sandro Hawke: any comments or concerns? ←
15:11:09 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:11:09 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:11:29 <cbuilara> Andy: LC page got reduced
Andy Seaborne: LC page got reduced ←
15:11:48 <cbuilara> Greg: I did not get really into the aggregate
Gregory Williams: I did not get really into the aggregate ←
15:12:01 <cbuilara> Greg: but based on the dicussions last week, I'm happy with it
Gregory Williams: but based on the discussions last week, I'm happy with it ←
15:12:13 <cbuilara> s/dicussions/discussions
15:12:45 <bglimm> I think my action ACTION-547 can be closed: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/547
Birte Glimm: I think my action ACTION-547 can be closed: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/547 ←
15:12:47 <AndyS1> See also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall2 (:-|)
Andy Seaborne: See also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall2 (:-|) ←
15:13:58 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:13:59 <cbuilara> Andy: we have to decide last call period
Andy Seaborne: we have to decide last call period ←
15:14:32 <sandro> ack kasei
Sandro Hawke: ack kasei ←
15:14:40 <cbuilara> Greg: adding all the fnction URIs, can we do it after last call?
Gregory Williams: adding all the fnction URIs, can we do it after last call? ←
15:14:46 <cbuilara> Andy1: we can do it
Andy Seaborne: we can do it ←
15:14:55 <sandro> andy: we can do the namespace document later
Andy Seaborne: we can do the namespace document later [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:15:07 <cbuilara> s/Andy1/AndyS1
15:15:29 <cbuilara> AndyS1: it is something editorial
Andy Seaborne: it is something editorial ←
15:15:37 <sandro> sandro: so we might change the namespace URI itself
Sandro Hawke: so we might change the namespace URI itself [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:15:40 <sandro> AndyS: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:16:24 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql#
Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# ←
15:17:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml ←
15:18:01 <sandro> says "sfn:http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# @@(process) Ensure page populated (see
Sandro Hawke: says "sfn:http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# @@(process) Ensure page populated (see ←
15:18:01 <sandro> this list)."
Sandro Hawke: this list)." ←
15:18:15 <cbuilara> sandro: Looks ok to me
Sandro Hawke: Looks ok to me ←
15:18:20 <cbuilara> sandro: any other issues?
Sandro Hawke: any other issues? ←
15:18:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call
PROPOSED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call ←
15:18:38 <sandro> +1 (W3C)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C) ←
15:18:46 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:18:47 <cbuilara> sandro: please vote with our organization
Sandro Hawke: please vote with our organization ←
15:18:47 <swh> +1 (Garlik)
Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik) ←
15:18:48 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:18:49 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix
Paul Gearon: +1 Revelytix ←
15:18:50 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm) ←
15:18:50 <Olivier> +1 INRIA
Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA ←
15:18:51 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:18:53 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)
+1 (UPM) ←
15:18:54 <chimezie> +1 (IE)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (IE) ←
15:19:09 <ericP> +1 (W3C) (redundant against 2011-12-20T15:18:38Z <sandro> +1 (W3C))
Scribe problem: the name 'ericP' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carlos Buil Aranda Olivier Corby Souripriya Das Orri Erling Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Paul Gearon Birte Glimm Steve Harris Sandro Hawke Nicholas Humfrey Ivan Mikhailov Chimezie Ogbuji Alexandre Passant Matthew Perry Axel Polleres Andy Seaborne Gregory Williams Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ericP' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carlos Buil Aranda Olivier Corby Souripriya Das Orri Erling Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Paul Gearon Birte Glimm Steve Harris Sandro Hawke Nicholas Humfrey Ivan Mikhailov Chimezie Ogbuji Alexandre Passant Matthew Perry Axel Polleres Andy Seaborne Gregory Williams Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ericP: +1 (W3C) (redundant against 2011-12-20T15:18:38Z <sandro> +1 (W3C)) ←
15:19:18 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call
RESOLVED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call ←
15:19:36 <sandro> topic: Entailment
15:19:38 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Entailment
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Entailment ←
15:20:00 <cbuilara> sandro: Birte, there is an action on that
Sandro Hawke: Birte, there is an action on that ←
15:20:22 <cbuilara> bglimm: I'm working on the document right now, I replied agreen changes
Birte Glimm: I'm working on the document right now, I replied agreen changes ←
15:20:29 <sandro> birte: Axel and Markus reviews, satisfied
Birte Glimm: Axel and Markus reviews, satisfied [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:20:32 <cbuilara> sandro: any concerns
Sandro Hawke: any concerns ←
15:20:53 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call
PROPOSED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call ←
15:20:59 <sandro> +1 W3C
Sandro Hawke: +1 W3C ←
15:21:05 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:21:05 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix
Paul Gearon: +1 Revelytix ←
15:21:06 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:21:08 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)
+1 (UPM) ←
15:21:09 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm) ←
15:21:10 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:21:13 <chimezie> +1 (IE)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (IE) ←
15:21:15 <Olivier> +1 INRIA
Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA ←
15:21:34 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call
RESOLVED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call ←
15:21:46 <sandro> topic: Update
15:22:11 <pgearon> hang on...
Paul Gearon: hang on... ←
15:22:54 <cbuilara> pgearon: made couple of editorial changes
Paul Gearon: made couple of editorial changes ←
15:23:21 <cbuilara> pgearon: document ready to go
Paul Gearon: document ready to go ←
15:24:02 <cbuilara> sandro: Paul, do you want anybody to go over the changes?
Sandro Hawke: Paul, do you want anybody to go over the changes? ←
15:24:21 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking? ←
15:24:32 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgearon (35%), sandro (54%), swh (20%)
Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgearon (35%), sandro (54%), swh (20%) ←
15:24:44 <swh> Zakim, mute me
Steve Harris: Zakim, mute me ←
15:24:44 <Zakim> swh should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: swh should now be muted ←
15:24:49 <cbuilara> sandro: anybody have an opinion on Paul's email?
Sandro Hawke: anybody have an opinion on Paul's email? ←
15:24:55 <kasei> I was happy with the DB-5 response.
Gregory Williams: I was happy with the DB-5 response. ←
15:24:59 <swh> me too
Steve Harris: me too ←
15:25:01 <AndyS1> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:25:01 <cbuilara> sandro: is somebody willing to look over?
Sandro Hawke: is somebody willing to look over? ←
15:25:07 <sandro> ack AndyS
Sandro Hawke: ack AndyS ←
15:25:21 <cbuilara> AndyS: there is a comment from David Wood
Andy Seaborne: there is a comment from David Wood ←
15:25:56 <cbuilara> pgearon: not related to SPARQL update
Paul Gearon: not related to SPARQL update ←
15:26:56 <AndyS1> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Post_Last_Call_Comments
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Post_Last_Call_Comments ←
15:27:33 <cbuilara> sandro: which comment from David Wood?
Sandro Hawke: which comment from David Wood? ←
15:27:59 <AndyS1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0015.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0015.html ←
15:28:03 <AndyS1> DW-1
Andy Seaborne: DW-1 ←
15:28:10 <cbuilara> bglimm:I have one comment, I drafted another response for David Zimmerman
Birte Glimm: I have one comment, I drafted another response for David Zimmerman ←
15:28:21 <cbuilara> bglimm: please, look at it
Birte Glimm: please, look at it ←
15:28:25 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AZ-1-2
Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AZ-1-2 ←
15:29:07 <AndyS1> Response looks good to me.
Andy Seaborne: Response looks good to me. ←
15:29:51 <kasei> looks fine
Gregory Williams: looks fine ←
15:31:31 <swh> yes, have read it
Steve Harris: yes, have read it ←
15:31:38 <sandro> sandro: Steve, Greg, have you looked at DB-5 and the changes it describes?
Sandro Hawke: Steve, Greg, have you looked at DB-5 and the changes it describes? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:31:55 <swh> I also didn't follow up w.r.t. the document
Steve Harris: I also didn't follow up w.r.t. the document ←
15:31:59 <cbuilara> kasei: I'm happy with it
Gregory Williams: I'm happy with it ←
15:32:13 <cbuilara> sandro: any other concern about update?
Sandro Hawke: any other concern about update? ←
15:32:18 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call
PROPOSED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call ←
15:32:22 <sandro> +1 W3C
Sandro Hawke: +1 W3C ←
15:32:26 <cbuilara> +1 UPM
+1 UPM ←
15:32:28 <Olivier> +1 INRIA
Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA ←
15:32:32 <MattPerry> +1 Oracle
Matthew Perry: +1 Oracle ←
15:32:33 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:32:40 <swh> 0 (Garlik) [I've not read it in enough detail]
Steve Harris: 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail] ←
15:32:47 <bglimm> I would like to abstain as I never found the time to properly read the document
Birte Glimm: I would like to abstain as I never found the time to properly read the document ←
15:32:50 <chimezie> 0 (IE)
Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 (IE) ←
15:33:04 <swh> s/I've/we've/
15:33:06 <sandro> bglimm, just to 0 for abstain
Sandro Hawke: bglimm, just to 0 for abstain ←
15:33:10 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
15:33:19 <bglimm> o (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: o (Uni Ulm) ←
15:33:28 <bglimm> 0 (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: 0 (Uni Ulm) ←
15:33:29 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix
Paul Gearon: +1 Revelytix ←
15:33:39 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:33:47 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call
RESOLVED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call ←
15:34:45 <sandro> topic: Service Description
15:35:43 <cbuilara> sandro: chimezie comments fixed
Sandro Hawke: chimezie comments fixed ←
15:36:05 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:36:05 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
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15:36:10 <cbuilara> kasei: I did not get to pass them around again, I was hoping to hearing more follow up response
Gregory Williams: I did not get to pass them around again, I was hoping to hearing more follow up response ←
15:36:55 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0311.html
Gregory Williams: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0311.html ←
15:38:11 <cbuilara> kasei: the only issue is the update subsets, which is the second point in that email thread, your comment on discovering service description
Gregory Williams: the only issue is the update subsets, which is the second point in that email thread, your comment on discovering service description ←
15:38:32 <cbuilara> kase: was the following point in that email, I couldn't make sense of that email
Gregory Williams: was the following point in that email, I couldn't make sense of that email ←
15:38:48 <cbuilara> s/kase/kasei
15:39:39 <cbuilara> chimezie: I do not have any other outstanding issues at the end of this thread, I'm fine with publishing as last call
Chimezie Ogbuji: I do not have any other outstanding issues at the end of this thread, I'm fine with publishing as last call ←
15:40:01 <cbuilara> kasei: issue on discovering text, purely an editorial thing
Gregory Williams: issue on discovering text, purely an editorial thing ←
15:40:11 <cbuilara> kasei: I think we are good to go
Gregory Williams: I think we are good to go ←
15:40:42 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:40:42 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:40:47 <sandro> chimezie: when you have one spec that has something illdefined, because it's not in line with another, ... is that a reason not to publish one... That will come up.
Chimezie Ogbuji: when you have one spec that has something illdefined, because it's not in line with another, ... is that a reason not to publish one... That will come up. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:40:53 <cbuilara> chimezie: certain things in the editorial process that are not very clear, and shoudl be mentioned now
Chimezie Ogbuji: certain things in the editorial process that are not very clear, and shoudl be mentioned now ←
15:41:15 <cbuilara> chimezie. this issue will come out in the graph store protocol
chimezie. this issue will come out in the graph store protocol ←
15:41:19 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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15:41:19 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:41:20 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call
PROPOSED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call ←
15:41:22 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:41:25 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:41:26 <sandro> +1 (W3C)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C) ←
15:41:29 <Olivier> +1 INRIA
Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA ←
15:41:29 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)
+1 (UPM) ←
15:41:33 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:41:35 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix
Paul Gearon: +1 Revelytix ←
15:41:45 <swh> 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail]
Steve Harris: 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail] ←
15:41:59 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call
RESOLVED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call ←
15:42:45 <cbuilara> kasei: only editorial changes for protocol
Gregory Williams: only editorial changes for protocol ←
15:43:04 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call
PROPOSED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call ←
15:43:09 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:43:11 <swh> +1 (Garlik)
Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik) ←
15:43:14 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:43:15 <sandro> +0 (W3C) not quite sure the state here
Sandro Hawke: +0 (W3C) not quite sure the state here ←
15:43:21 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm) ←
15:43:21 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:43:22 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix
Paul Gearon: +1 Revelytix ←
15:43:24 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)
+1 (UPM) ←
15:43:36 <Olivier> 0 INRIA (have not studied the doc)
Olivier Corby: 0 INRIA (have not studied the doc) ←
15:43:37 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call
RESOLVED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call ←
15:44:59 <sandro> andy: no need for LC2 for JSON.
Andy Seaborne: no need for LC2 for JSON. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:45:36 <cbuilara> sandro: publication date January 2nd
Sandro Hawke: publication date January 2nd ←
15:46:01 <cbuilara> sandro: any objection?
Sandro Hawke: any objection? ←
15:46:05 <AndyS1> fine
Andy Seaborne: fine ←
15:46:21 <cbuilara> sandro: how long should we do it?
Sandro Hawke: how long should we do it? ←
15:46:35 <cbuilara> AndyS: 4 weeks I think
Andy Seaborne: 4 weeks I think ←
15:46:52 <cbuilara> sandro: any objection?
Sandro Hawke: any objection? ←
15:47:12 <sandro> PROPOSED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks
PROPOSED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks ←
15:47:19 <AndyS1> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:47:28 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:47:34 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:47:39 <sandro> RESOLVED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks
RESOLVED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks ←
15:47:55 <cbuilara> sandro: graph store protocol
Sandro Hawke: graph store protocol ←
15:48:08 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:08 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
15:48:17 <sandro> topic: Graph Store HTTP Protocol
15:48:37 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html ←
15:49:12 <AndyS1> I am not that keen on skipping CR (it's a community/social thing) but will not formally object.
Andy Seaborne: I am not that keen on skipping CR (it's a community/social thing) but will not formally object. ←
15:49:25 <swh> +1 to AndyS1
Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS1 ←
15:51:55 <sandro> Proposed: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft
PROPOSED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft ←
15:52:00 <cbuilara> sandro: can we go ahead with this text?
Sandro Hawke: can we go ahead with this text? ←
15:52:04 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:52:13 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:52:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft
RESOLVED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft ←
15:52:32 <sandro> topic: graph store htttp protocol
15:53:22 <cbuilara> sandro: I think we are far away of a LC status
Sandro Hawke: I think we are far away of a LC status ←
15:53:58 <cbuilara> sandro: the one thing I care is the SPARQL update should be accepted as a patch
Sandro Hawke: the one thing I care is the SPARQL update should be accepted as a patch ←
15:55:35 <cbuilara> sandro: mu argument is that we should require that everybody in this use case, if you are able to use graph protocol, you should implement SPARQL update
Sandro Hawke: mu argument is that we should require that everybody in this use case, if you are able to use graph protocol, you should implement SPARQL update ←
15:55:49 <ericP> q+ to say that i'd prefer text like "there is a subset of resources, which we will call POST2Update, which MUST follow this behavior..."
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Unknown ericP: q+ to say that i'd prefer text like "there is a subset of resources, which we will call POST2Update, which MUST follow this behavior..." ←
15:55:58 <swh> agreed, I think very high cost is ok
Steve Harris: agreed, I think very high cost is ok ←
15:56:16 <sandro> andy: I think high cost of implementation is enough to ignore a SHOULD.
Andy Seaborne: I think high cost of implementation is enough to ignore a SHOULD. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:56:27 <ericP> q-
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Unknown ericP: q- ←
15:56:37 <AndyS1> I think high cost is sufficient not do a SHOULD. Also, CAPS text not in a "informative"
Andy Seaborne: I think high cost is sufficient not do a SHOULD. Also, CAPS text not in a "informative" ←
15:56:44 <cbuilara> sandro: label section as informative
Sandro Hawke: label section as informative ←
15:56:45 <swh> SHOULD - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
Steve Harris: SHOULD - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt ←
15:57:06 <Zakim> -AndyS1
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS1 ←
15:57:44 <AndyS1> Thx zakim
Andy Seaborne: Thx zakim ←
15:57:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:58:06 <AndyS1> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:58:06 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it ←
15:58:18 <sandro> sandro: I don't understand how we can have "should" statements in a non-normative section.
Sandro Hawke: I don't understand how we can have "should" statements in a non-normative section. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:58:53 <cbuilara> kasei: the alternative is to say is that there is this behavior
Chimezie Ogbuji: the alternative is to say is that there is this behavior ←
15:59:07 <cbuilara> s/kasei/chimezie
15:59:17 <sandro> s/chimezie/eric
16:00:20 <cbuilara> sandro: take out the recommended word
Sandro Hawke: take out the recommended word ←
16:00:32 <sandro> sandro: I'm fine as long as this is really non-normative.
Sandro Hawke: I'm fine as long as this is really non-normative. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:01:04 <AndyS1> Have to go. See you on email.
Andy Seaborne: Have to go. See you on email. ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> -AndyS1
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS1 ←
16:02:34 <swh> I can stay for 10 mins
Steve Harris: I can stay for 10 mins ←
16:02:40 <bglimm> 5 min is ok
Birte Glimm: 5 min is ok ←
16:02:44 <pgearon> I can't stay
Paul Gearon: I can't stay ←
16:03:30 <kasei> q+ to say it's not just comments. I'm still not happy with the text about service descriptions.
Gregory Williams: q+ to say it's not just comments. I'm still not happy with the text about service descriptions. ←
16:03:33 <cbuilara> chimezie: there are more comments, wiki not up to date
Chimezie Ogbuji: there are more comments, wiki not up to date ←
16:03:47 <sandro> looking at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments re graphstore
Sandro Hawke: looking at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments re graphstore ←
16:03:54 <ericP> q+ to say that i suspect that we won't get a satisfactory closure in 5 mins and that the cost of delaying doesn't appear as high as the cost of premature publication
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Unknown ericP: q+ to say that i suspect that we won't get a satisfactory closure in 5 mins and that the cost of delaying doesn't appear as high as the cost of premature publication ←
16:04:11 <ericP> cbuilara, i'll move to adjourn
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Unknown ericP: cbuilara, i'll move to adjourn ←
16:04:20 <sandro> chime: I think it's okay to publish next draft before closing loop with Arnaud
Chimezie Ogbuji: I think it's okay to publish next draft before closing loop with Arnaud [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:04:44 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:05:14 <swh> +1 ro ericP
Steve Harris: +1 ro ericP ←
16:05:31 <sandro> kasei: There's also a lot of text about service description that I'm not happy with
Gregory Williams: There's also a lot of text about service description that I'm not happy with [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:05:45 <sandro> chimezie: we agreed on that in principle
Chimezie Ogbuji: we agreed on that in principle [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:06:01 <sandro> thank pgearon
Sandro Hawke: thank pgearon ←
16:06:08 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
16:06:11 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:06:17 <bglimm> OK, I am off too
Birte Glimm: OK, I am off too ←
16:06:22 <swh> bye everyone
Steve Harris: bye everyone ←
16:06:24 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
16:06:24 <bglimm> Merry Christmas to all of you
Birte Glimm: Merry Christmas to all of you ←
16:06:25 <Zakim> -swh
Zakim IRC Bot: -swh ←
16:06:25 <sandro> ADJOURNED
Sandro Hawke: ADJOURNED ←
16:06:25 <ericP> ADJOURNED
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Unknown ericP: ADJOURNED ←
16:06:26 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
16:06:32 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:06:32 <sandro> great work everyone, happy holidays!
Sandro Hawke: great work everyone, happy holidays! ←
16:06:33 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:06:36 <Zakim> -bglimm
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