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13:57:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 29 March 2011
13:57:48 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
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13:57:48 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:58:20 <LeeF> Regrets: Chime, NickH, sandro
13:58:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:58:41 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-03-29
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13:58:56 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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13:59:46 <kasei> Zakim, ??P13 is me
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13:59:52 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
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14:00:10 <LeeF> scribenick: bglimm
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14:00:58 <SteveH__> Zakim, ??P21 is me
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14:01:06 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
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14:01:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, cbuilara, bglimm, LeeF, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, SteveH__
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14:02:35 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:02:39 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-22
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-22 ←
14:02:41 <bglimm> Topic: Admin
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14:03:12 <apassant> Zakim, +539149aaaa is me
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14:03:12 <Zakim> +apassant; got it
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14:03:21 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-22
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14:03:26 <Zakim> +??P26
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14:03:29 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-04-05 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel or Alex)
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-04-05 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel or Alex) ←
14:03:30 <AndyS> zakim, ??P26 is me
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14:04:27 <AxelPolleres> comments page should be up-to-date
Axel Polleres: comments page should be up-to-date ←
14:04:34 <bglimm> LeeF: We have some comments, mostly under control
Lee Feigenbaum: We have some comments, mostly under control ←
14:04:39 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> some are unasigned, still
Axel Polleres: some are unasigned, still ←
14:05:03 <bglimm> ... maybe spend some tome on not in, in
... maybe spend some tome on not in, in ←
14:05:13 <Zakim> +Souri_
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14:05:55 <bglimm> .... SPARQL implementations currently have no understanding of datatypes, which can result in unintuitive results for comparissons
.... SPARQL implementations currently have no understanding of datatypes, which can result in unintuitive results for comparissons ←
14:06:34 <bglimm> ... should SPARQL prescribe some understanding for core datatypes in comparrisson operators
... should SPARQL prescribe some understanding for core datatypes in comparrisson operators ←
14:06:45 <bglimm> ... Andy, Steve, should we look into that?
... Andy, Steve, should we look into that? ←
14:07:07 <bglimm> SteveH: Seems like an improvement, but not full understanding
Steve Harris: Seems like an improvement, but not full understanding ←
14:08:13 <bglimm> AndyS: The comment is related to 1.0 stuff and not specific to 1.1
Andy Seaborne: The comment is related to 1.0 stuff and not specific to 1.1 ←
14:08:33 <AndyS> It will change a basic, unextended SPARQL 1.0 query processor. (we should have done it last time but that makes it a change)
Andy Seaborne: It will change a basic, unextended SPARQL 1.0 query processor. (we should have done it last time but that makes it a change) ←
14:08:45 <bglimm> LeeF: Not much enthusiasm for this topic, so lets not spend too much time on it
Lee Feigenbaum: Not much enthusiasm for this topic, so lets not spend too much time on it ←
14:09:08 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We are mostly up-to-date
Axel Polleres: We are mostly up-to-date ←
14:09:15 <SteveH> would be it be sufficient to recommend that SPARQL 1.1 processors should handle all the datatypes so that...
Steve Harris: would be it be sufficient to recommend that SPARQL 1.1 processors should handle all the datatypes so that... ←
14:09:16 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Mar/0018.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Mar/0018.html ←
14:09:17 <AndyS> While sensible, it's technically a change. Not sure if its in the 1.0 test suite or not.
Andy Seaborne: While sensible, it's technically a change. Not sure if its in the 1.0 test suite or not. ←
14:09:25 <SteveH> SHOULD or something
Steve Harris: SHOULD or something ←
14:09:26 <bglimm> ... regarding the comments
... regarding the comments ←
14:10:38 <LeeF> topic: Last Call Status
14:10:49 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
14:11:14 <bglimm> LeeF: Lets go through the documents and editors correct me if I am wrong with something
Lee Feigenbaum: Lets go through the documents and editors correct me if I am wrong with something ←
14:11:34 <bglimm> ... Query has still some editorial comments and aggregates algebra section
... Query has still some editorial comments and aggregates algebra section ←
14:11:51 <bglimm> ... has still some things that can be improved
... has still some things that can be improved ←
14:12:03 <bglimm> SteveH: Not much knew from me
Steve Harris: Not much knew from me ←
14:12:24 <bglimm> AndyS: I did some changes for RDF merge and wait for Axel's second part of the review
Andy Seaborne: I did some changes for RDF merge and wait for Axel's second part of the review ←
14:12:46 <bglimm> LeeF: If I had some time, shoud I rather work on the protocoll or review query?
Lee Feigenbaum: If I had some time, shoud I rather work on the protocoll or review query? ←
14:13:10 <bglimm> AndyS: We had already three reviews, so I think protocol is more important to get done
Andy Seaborne: We had already three reviews, so I think protocol is more important to get done ←
14:13:21 <Zakim> -AndyS
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14:13:21 <bglimm> SteveH: Same from my side
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14:13:55 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:13:55 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:14:00 <kasei> was I meant to start that review yet? I thought I was waiting on somebody to ping me on that?
Gregory Williams: was I meant to start that review yet? I thought I was waiting on somebody to ping me on that? ←
14:14:05 <bglimm> LeeF: Update had some work done regarding Axel's review, Andy's review is still to be addressed
Lee Feigenbaum: Update had some work done regarding Axel's review, Andy's review is still to be addressed ←
14:14:31 <LeeF> kasei, ah, i did not realize that
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, ah, i did not realize that ←
14:14:52 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: There is nothing that cannot be resolved by us. Andy suggested some restructuring to make the distinction between the formal and informal part
Axel Polleres: There is nothing that cannot be resolved by us. Andy suggested some restructuring to make the distinction between the formal and informal part ←
14:15:01 <bglimm> ... that has not been done yet
... that has not been done yet ←
14:15:34 <bglimm> .... I'll sync up with Paul and Alex for that. We are not too far from LC
.... I'll sync up with Paul and Alex for that. We are not too far from LC ←
14:15:45 <bglimm> LeeF: I think Greg can go ahead with his review
Lee Feigenbaum: I think Greg can go ahead with his review ←
14:16:35 <bglimm> Axel: I worked in parallel to Axel, so now we have to resolve CVS conflicts and get an overview again
Axel Polleres: I worked in parallel to Axel, so now we have to resolve CVS conflicts and get an overview again ←
14:16:57 <bglimm> .... seems Axel has done a lot of stuff, so most might be addressed
.... seems Axel has done a lot of stuff, so most might be addressed ←
14:17:13 <kasei> ok
Gregory Williams: ok ←
14:17:15 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Points that are open are marked in my email answer to Andy
Axel Polleres: Points that are open are marked in my email answer to Andy ←
14:17:17 <LeeF> kasei, thanks
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, thanks ←
14:17:34 <kasei> am out of the country now, but will try to review it soon
Gregory Williams: am out of the country now, but will try to review it soon ←
14:17:36 <bglimm> .... some things are left open because I wait for conirmation from Paul
.... some things are left open because I wait for conirmation from Paul ←
14:17:55 <bglimm> LeeF: Protocol, nothing new, same for Service Descriptions
Lee Feigenbaum: Protocol, nothing new, same for Service Descriptions ←
14:17:55 <kasei> correct
Gregory Williams: correct ←
14:18:23 <bglimm> .... RDF Dataset/HTTP Protocol, we have to look at the name of the doc shortly
.... RDF Dataset/HTTP Protocol, we have to look at the name of the doc shortly ←
14:18:41 <bglimm> ... Kjetil's comments still have to be considered
... Kjetil's comments still have to be considered ←
14:19:42 <bglimm> bglimm: d-entailment updated for ent. regimes and section added for property paths
Birte Glimm: d-entailment updated for ent. regimes and section added for property paths ←
14:20:05 <LeeF> ACTION: Matt to look at new d-entailment text
ACTION: Matt to look at new d-entailment text ←
14:20:05 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt
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14:20:08 <bglimm> LeeF: Matt, can you look at the D-Entailment section?
Lee Feigenbaum: Matt, can you look at the D-Entailment section? ←
14:20:09 <LeeF> ACTION: Matthew to look at new d-entailment text
ACTION: Matthew to look at new d-entailment text ←
14:20:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-422 - Look at new d-entailment text [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-422 - Look at new d-entailment text [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:20:10 <bglimm> Matt: Yes
Matthew Perry: Yes ←
14:20:43 <bglimm> LeeF: Federated Query is waiting on Axel and myself to finish the review
Lee Feigenbaum: Federated Query is waiting on Axel and myself to finish the review ←
14:20:49 <bglimm> .... other documents nothing new
.... other documents nothing new ←
14:20:58 <bglimm> ... Anything important for LC?
... Anything important for LC? ←
14:21:10 <LeeF> topic: Name of the RDF dataset protocol specification
14:21:12 <bglimm> (silence)
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14:21:38 <bglimm> LeeF: We realised that the name might not be appropriate
Lee Feigenbaum: We realised that the name might not be appropriate ←
14:22:03 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Rename the datset protocol to the SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
PROPOSED: Rename the datset protocol to the SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol ←
14:22:12 <bglimm> ... It is about managing graph stores. So we could change dataset to graph store
... It is about managing graph stores. So we could change dataset to graph store ←
14:22:19 <bglimm> ... Chime is ok with that
... Chime is ok with that ←
14:22:26 <bglimm> ... any objections to that change?
... any objections to that change? ←
14:22:35 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
14:22:38 <NicoM> +1
Nico Michaelis: +1 ←
14:22:40 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:22:40 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:22:52 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Rename the datset protocol to the SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
RESOLVED: Rename the datset protocol to the SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol ←
14:23:05 <AxelPolleres> Note that we need to propagate this change to other docs referring to that one!
Axel Polleres: Note that we need to propagate this change to other docs referring to that one! ←
14:23:08 <LeeF> topic: tests
14:23:16 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:23:27 <LeeF> close ACTION-421
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-421 ←
14:23:27 <trackbot> ACTION-421 Look through test cases and provide a summary by next TC closed
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14:23:31 <bglimm> LeeF: Olivier looked through the test cases and where we stand
Lee Feigenbaum: Olivier looked through the test cases and where we stand ←
14:24:17 <kasei> I reference it in the SD doc
Gregory Williams: I reference it in the SD doc ←
14:24:20 <kasei> will change
Gregory Williams: will change ←
14:24:26 <bglimm> me too
me too ←
14:24:27 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: we need to make sure that all other documents update the name of the http protocol document
Axel Polleres: we need to make sure that all other documents update the name of the http protocol document [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:25:01 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0501.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0501.html ←
14:25:37 <bglimm> LeeF: Hope we can approve some tests
Lee Feigenbaum: Hope we can approve some tests ←
14:26:54 <bglimm> LeeF: Olivier ran the tests with his implementation
Lee Feigenbaum: Olivier ran the tests with his implementation ←
14:27:19 <LeeF> Corese
Lee Feigenbaum: Corese ←
14:27:19 <bglimm> .... two areas where we miss test cases
.... two areas where we miss test cases ←
14:27:34 <AndyS> See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/manifest-all.ttl ARQ gets: Tests = 332 : Successes = 298 : Errors = 9 : Failures = 25
Andy Seaborne: See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/manifest-all.ttl ARQ gets: Tests = 332 : Successes = 298 : Errors = 9 : Failures = 25 ←
14:27:47 <bglimm> ... for the IF function and scoping? for zero length paths
... for the IF function and scoping? for zero length paths ←
14:28:12 <bglimm> LeeF: AndyS, can we get that covered
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS, can we get that covered ←
14:28:24 <bglimm> AndyS: I was hoping for WG support for this
Andy Seaborne: I was hoping for WG support for this ←
14:28:58 <bglimm> LeeF: Matt, would you mind to come up with a test that covers the missing property path features?
Lee Feigenbaum: Matt, would you mind to come up with a test that covers the missing property path features? ←
14:29:05 <LeeF> ACTION: Matthew to include a test on nodes in path of length zero come from specified named graph (e.g. graph <g1> {?x <p>* ?y})
ACTION: Matthew to include a test on nodes in path of length zero come from specified named graph (e.g. graph <g1> {?x <p>* ?y}) ←
14:29:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-423 - Include a test on nodes in path of length zero come from specified named graph (e.g. graph <g1> {?x <p>* ?y}) [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-04-05].
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14:29:06 <bglimm> Matt: I can do that
Matthew Perry: I can do that ←
14:29:17 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to follow-up and make sure we get IF() tests
ACTION: Lee to follow-up and make sure we get IF() tests ←
14:29:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-424 - Follow-up and make sure we get IF() tests [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-424 - Follow-up and make sure we get IF() tests [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:29:40 <bglimm> LeeF: We still have some empty directories
Lee Feigenbaum: We still have some empty directories ←
14:31:02 <bglimm> ... I fixed the manifest now.
... I fixed the manifest now. ←
14:31:24 <bglimm> ... Olivier picked up on negative syntax tests, should we keep these types?
... Olivier picked up on negative syntax tests, should we keep these types? ←
14:31:46 <bglimm> ... Do we have similar types for the positive tests?
... Do we have similar types for the positive tests? ←
14:32:10 <bglimm> ... Any opinions?
... Any opinions? ←
14:32:14 <bglimm> (silence)
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14:32:18 <kasei> is it in a different namespace?
Gregory Williams: is it in a different namespace? ←
14:32:23 <kasei> the new 1.1 namespace?
Gregory Williams: the new 1.1 namespace? ←
14:32:30 <LeeF> mf:NegativeSyntaxTest
Lee Feigenbaum: mf:NegativeSyntaxTest ←
14:32:30 <LeeF> mf:NegativeSyntaxTest11
Lee Feigenbaum: mf:NegativeSyntaxTest11 ←
14:32:30 <LeeF> mf:NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11
Lee Feigenbaum: mf:NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11 ←
14:32:39 <kasei> mf is the old dawg namespace, then?
Gregory Williams: mf is the old dawg namespace, then? ←
14:32:42 <Zakim> -apassant
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14:32:53 <Zakim> -cbuilara
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14:32:59 <LeeF> @prefix mf: <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/test-manifest#> .
Lee Feigenbaum: @prefix mf: <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/test-manifest#> . ←
14:33:06 <kasei> if it's the same namespace, I'd prefer keeping the '11'
Gregory Williams: if it's the same namespace, I'd prefer keeping the '11' ←
14:33:35 <bglimm> AndyS: I suggest the negative syntax tests without 1.1 should be changed
Andy Seaborne: I suggest the negative syntax tests without 1.1 should be changed ←
14:34:05 <Zakim> +NicoM
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14:34:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:34:08 <bglimm> LeeF: Should we move all syntax tests into one directory?
Lee Feigenbaum: Should we move all syntax tests into one directory? ←
14:34:09 <AxelPolleres> I didn't add those classes yet, I am afraid (the ones with 11)
Axel Polleres: I didn't add those classes yet, I am afraid (the ones with 11) ←
14:34:14 <cbuilara> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:34:14 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:34:19 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb ←
14:34:29 <apassant> Zakim, +3539149aabb is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +3539149aabb is me ←
14:34:29 <Zakim> +apassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +apassant; got it ←
14:34:33 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:34:39 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:34:46 <bglimm> AndyS: The syntax tests should have coverage even if hey are scattared in different directories
Andy Seaborne: The syntax tests should have coverage even if hey are scattared in different directories ←
14:35:21 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Do we need NegativeSyntaxTest11 and NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11?
Axel Polleres: Do we need NegativeSyntaxTest11 and NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11? ←
14:35:32 <kasei> think it needs to either be just negativesyntaxtest11 or be explicit by changing NegativeSyntaxTest to NegativeQuerySyntaxTest
Gregory Williams: think it needs to either be just negativesyntaxtest11 or be explicit by changing NegativeSyntaxTest to NegativeQuerySyntaxTest ←
14:35:39 <kasei> prefer the latter
Gregory Williams: prefer the latter ←
14:35:42 <bglimm> .... Is that not clear from the fact that the test is an update test or a query test?
.... Is that not clear from the fact that the test is an update test or a query test? ←
14:35:52 <bglimm> AndyS: I find it clearer the way it is.
Andy Seaborne: I find it clearer the way it is. ←
14:36:08 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Do we need the same for PositiveSyntax...Test?
Axel Polleres: Do we need the same for PositiveSyntax...Test? ←
14:36:16 <bglimm> AndyS: I think we have that already.
Andy Seaborne: I think we have that already. ←
14:36:34 <bglimm> .... Yes, and that's the only way to distinguish them, so we have to keep it
.... Yes, and that's the only way to distinguish them, so we have to keep it ←
14:37:10 <AxelPolleres> I need an action to add those new types to mf: and to README.html
Axel Polleres: I need an action to add those new types to mf: and to README.html ←
14:37:12 <bglimm> AndyS: For the syntax tests the type is important to distinguish them
Andy Seaborne: For the syntax tests the type is important to distinguish them ←
14:37:35 <bglimm> LeeF: The ones in Aggregates without the 11 have to be updated. I'll do that now
Lee Feigenbaum: The ones in Aggregates without the 11 have to be updated. I'll do that now ←
14:38:20 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to add those new types to mf: and to README.html
ACTION: Axel to add those new types to mf: and to README.html ←
14:38:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-425 - Add those new types to mf: and to README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-425 - Add those new types to mf: and to README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:38:58 <AxelPolleres> ... new types: Positive/NegativeSyntaxTest11 and Positive/NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11 yes?
Axel Polleres: ... new types: Positive/NegativeSyntaxTest11 and Positive/NegativeUpdateSyntaxTest11 yes? ←
14:39:01 <bglimm> LeeF: Do you know whether that is the only place?
Lee Feigenbaum: Do you know whether that is the only place? ←
14:39:06 <bglimm> AndyS: Yes.
Andy Seaborne: Yes. ←
14:39:14 <bglimm> LeeF: Ok, then I updated that
Lee Feigenbaum: Ok, then I updated that ←
14:40:56 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to change the @prefix : prefix in the syntax directories to use an absolute URI
ACTION: Andy to change the @prefix : prefix in the syntax directories to use an absolute URI ←
14:40:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-426 - Change the @prefix : prefix in the syntax directories to use an absolute URI [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-426 - Change the @prefix : prefix in the syntax directories to use an absolute URI [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:41:39 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:41:57 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:41:59 <bglimm> LeeF: We are not consistent in the update tests for specifying the data
Lee Feigenbaum: We are not consistent in the update tests for specifying the data ←
14:42:18 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We don't really need new types for the query evaluation tests
Axel Polleres: We don't really need new types for the query evaluation tests ←
14:42:23 <AxelPolleres> :QueryEvaluationTest vs :QueryEvaluationTest11 ?
Axel Polleres: :QueryEvaluationTest vs :QueryEvaluationTest11 ? ←
14:43:01 <bglimm> AndyS: We make sure that when you execute the test suite, you do 1.1.
Andy Seaborne: We make sure that when you execute the test suite, you do 1.1. ←
14:43:13 <LeeF> ut:graphData [ ut:graph
Lee Feigenbaum: ut:graphData [ ut:graph ←
14:43:13 <LeeF> ut:graphData [ ut:data
Lee Feigenbaum: ut:graphData [ ut:data ←
14:43:25 <bglimm> LeeF: ut:data vs. ut:graph, which one should be used?
Lee Feigenbaum: ut:data vs. ut:graph, which one should be used? ←
14:44:20 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: data is just for the default graph
Axel Polleres: data is just for the default graph ←
14:44:59 <bglimm> LeeF: Is the second of my example incorrect?
Lee Feigenbaum: Is the second of my example incorrect? ←
14:45:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#updateevaltests
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#updateevaltests ←
14:45:55 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to clean up occurrences of ut:graphData [ ut:data
ACTION: Lee to clean up occurrences of ut:graphData [ ut:data ←
14:45:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-427 - Clean up occurrences of ut:graphData [ ut:data [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-427 - Clean up occurrences of ut:graphData [ ut:data [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:46:24 <bglimm> LeeF: extra prefixes don't harm, could be cleaned up
Lee Feigenbaum: extra prefixes don't harm, could be cleaned up ←
14:46:32 <bglimm> ... same for duplicate tests
... same for duplicate tests ←
14:47:07 <bglimm> ... delete/insert, we know about the blank node in the template issue
... delete/insert, we know about the blank node in the template issue ←
14:47:16 <bglimm> ... should now be a negative syntax test
... should now be a negative syntax test ←
14:47:33 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to fix the delete-insert queries that should be negative syntax tests in delete-insert
ACTION: Lee to fix the delete-insert queries that should be negative syntax tests in delete-insert ←
14:47:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-428 - Fix the delete-insert queries that should be negative syntax tests in delete-insert [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-428 - Fix the delete-insert queries that should be negative syntax tests in delete-insert [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:48:21 <bglimm> LeeF: Olivier identified six ent. test cases that have a mistake
Lee Feigenbaum: Olivier identified six ent. test cases that have a mistake ←
14:48:27 <bglimm> bglimm: I'll check that
Birte Glimm: I'll check that ←
14:49:03 <bglimm> LeeF: Axel, Olivier had some comments for the readMe document, can you address those?
Lee Feigenbaum: Axel, Olivier had some comments for the readMe document, can you address those? ←
14:49:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to ckeck Olivier's comments on the test cases README.html
ACTION: Axel to ckeck Olivier's comments on the test cases README.html ←
14:49:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-429 - Ckeck Olivier's comments on the test cases README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-429 - Ckeck Olivier's comments on the test cases README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:50:05 <bglimm> LeeF: We have several successful implementations for property paths that path the property path tests
Lee Feigenbaum: We have several successful implementations for property paths that path the property path tests ←
14:50:19 <bglimm> ... AndyS, have you run those tests?
... AndyS, have you run those tests? ←
14:50:28 <bglimm> AndyS: Yes, there are 30 tests and I have run them
Andy Seaborne: Yes, there are 30 tests and I have run them ←
14:50:32 <AndyS> Tests = 30 : Successes = 30 : Errors = 0 : Failures = 0
Andy Seaborne: Tests = 30 : Successes = 30 : Errors = 0 : Failures = 0 ←
14:51:09 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve the 30 tests in the property-path directory
PROPOSED: Approve the 30 tests in the property-path directory ←
14:51:10 <AndyS> (error means bad test setup e.g. data syntax wrong ; failure means different results)
Andy Seaborne: (error means bad test setup e.g. data syntax wrong ; failure means different results) ←
14:51:22 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:51:24 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
14:51:30 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:51:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve the 30 tests in the property-path directory
RESOLVED: Approve the 30 tests in the property-path directory ←
14:51:42 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to mark 30 prop path tests approved today
ACTION: Lee to mark 30 prop path tests approved today ←
14:51:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-430 - Mark 30 prop path tests approved today [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-430 - Mark 30 prop path tests approved today [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:52:06 <bglimm> LeeF: I wanted to look at the negative syntax tests
Lee Feigenbaum: I wanted to look at the negative syntax tests ←
14:53:12 <bglimm> ... bad01 to bad03, they don't have update opertions, AndyS suggests we make that legal, so the tests are no longer negative tests
... bad01 to bad03, they don't have update opertions, AndyS suggests we make that legal, so the tests are no longer negative tests ←
14:53:27 <bglimm> ... can be useful in some applications
... can be useful in some applications ←
14:53:45 <kasei> I'm hesitant, but no strong feelings
Gregory Williams: I'm hesitant, but no strong feelings ←
14:54:05 <bglimm> ... Paul, Alex, any implications for the upate spec?
... Paul, Alex, any implications for the upate spec? ←
14:54:21 <bglimm> Paul (?): I think that wouldn't be a big change.
Paul (?): I think that wouldn't be a big change. ←
14:54:39 <bglimm> LeeF: Are you indifferent, in favour, or against that?
Lee Feigenbaum: Are you indifferent, in favour, or against that? ←
14:54:57 <bglimm> Paul (?): I don't have strong feeling, but seems ok
Paul (?): I don't have strong feeling, but seems ok ←
14:55:30 <bglimm> LeeF: I don't see it doing harm and seems easy
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't see it doing harm and seems easy ←
14:55:44 <bglimm> AndyS: Changes the grammar
Andy Seaborne: Changes the grammar ←
14:56:00 <bglimm> .. the grammar is in the query doc even for update
.. the grammar is in the query doc even for update ←
14:56:06 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to change update grammar to allow zero-operation update requests
ACTION: Andy to change update grammar to allow zero-operation update requests ←
14:56:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-431 - Change update grammar to allow zero-operation update requests [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-431 - Change update grammar to allow zero-operation update requests [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-05]. ←
14:57:03 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: AndyS, for INSERT DATA and DELETE DATA, we do have quads there now. Is that intended?
Axel Polleres: AndyS, for INSERT DATA and DELETE DATA, we do have quads there now. Is that intended? ←
14:57:19 <bglimm> AndyS: That is unrelated to zero operation deletes
Andy Seaborne: That is unrelated to zero operation deletes ←
14:57:25 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Yes
Axel Polleres: Yes ←
14:57:42 <bglimm> AndyS: There is a note that says that there are no variables
Andy Seaborne: There is a note that says that there are no variables ←
14:57:50 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve tests in syntax-update-1 except for *bad-0{1,2,3}.ru
PROPOSED: Approve tests in syntax-update-1 except for *bad-0{1,2,3}.ru ←
14:57:54 <bglimm> ... that's in 19.8
... that's in 19.8 ←
14:58:31 <LeeF> Let's take up all the syntax tests next time
Lee Feigenbaum: Let's take up all the syntax tests next time ←
14:58:35 <bglimm> AndyS: I can do the prefix update first and then approve the tests next week
Andy Seaborne: I can do the prefix update first and then approve the tests next week ←
14:58:45 <LeeF> Adjourned.
Lee Feigenbaum: Adjourned. ←
15:00:17 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> Attendees were AxelPolleres, cbuilara, bglimm, LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, SteveH__, pgearon, apassant, AndyS, Souri_, NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AxelPolleres, cbuilara, bglimm, LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, SteveH__, pgearon, apassant, AndyS, Souri_, NicoM ←
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