<davidb> hi all

<scribe> scribe: Andi

bugs

7117: Close

Introduction to the UAI TF for Simon

CS: Couple of things we're trying to do in this TF
... First, is to finish a document on user agent implementation that Aaron Leventhal started, make it browser neutral
... Documenting mappings of ARIA to platform accessibility APIs
... Similar mapping we own is mapping of HTML elements to accessibility APIS
... Been working largely from IE and Mozilla, need Opera perspective in the group

SP: HTML 5 has a mapping from HTML 5 to ARIA, is this a conflicting bit of work?

CS: Related but don't think they are conflicting
... Very much want to keep them in sync

<zcorpan> html5 has a mapping from html to aria in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/content-models.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products-(aria)

<aapi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/User_Agent_Implementation_Task_Force

file: ///C:/WAI-ARIA/WWW/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/Overview.html#mapping_state-property

<davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property

bug 6891

action to everyone to review section 3.8.5 Menus. Be prepared to discuss next week.

Next editor's draft

Andi updates the editor's draft with each update to the source file

Next Working Draft

CS: planning for November, what should we focus on for this draft
... error handling

<davidb> DB: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7119#c3

AS: Section 4.1 frames/iframes

DB: can we give some examples of frames and frame sources and what the computed names are
... thinks FF has a bug but wants to know what IE is doing

CS: can mock up a couple of pages and see what comes out

AS: 7060 Mac mappings

CS: if Simon can read the document and let us know what Opera does, that would be really helpful

<davidb> DB: I don't know what "The presentation must be updated for dynamic changes to WAI-ARIA attributes" in our CSS Selector section means.

AS: CSS Selectors

SP: CSS Selectors seems redundant. Any attribute ends up in the DOM.
... Suggests removing the section altogether

DB: Having it here means that if you're implementing ARIA you should do that too

CS: Wonder if it's just a note
... To have implemented ARIA, you need to implement CSS selectors

SP: Why are they a requirement?

DB: basically a SHOULD, way for Web developers to code ARIA-enabled applications
... more of a best practices things

SP: guess ARIA is pretty useless if browser doesn't support CSS Selectors

CS: concern that if use classes and presentation changes, ARIA won't get updated

bug - CS - find out what IE implements for this

AS: for WD in November, need to fill out Actions table (Cynthia) and event table on state/property chnages (David)

bug - CS - 3.7 Actions - need to complete second table which describes properties that cause additional actions to be available

CS: Plan for 11/9 to have things done for the WD
... Could be ready to go out as WD around 11/16

MC: would like UAIG to go out at the same time as WAI-ARIA draft

MC; also want to do WAI-ARIA second LC before end of the year

CS: May have to reduce scope to make sure we align with WAI-ARIA draft

Work items for next week

CS: Action/Events table

SP: Read the document and give us feedback

DB: 7182

AS: Re-format the state/property mapping table to be consistent with the others

ALL: Review section 3.8.5 Menus

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Default Present: Cooper, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter, Simon_Pieters
Present: Cooper Andi_Snow-Weaver Cynthia_Shelly David_Bolter Simon_Pieters
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