15:00:53 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #aapi
15:00:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/22-aapi-irc
15:00:57 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
15:01:06 <MichaelC> meeting: ARIA User Agent Implementation Task Force
15:01:11 <MichaelC> chair: Cynthia Shelly
15:02:18 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:02:19 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:02:19 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:04:15 <davidb> hi all
15:04:42 <Andi> Andi has joined #aapi
15:04:42 <aapi> aapi has joined #aapi
15:05:06 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:05:28 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
15:05:29 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
15:05:34 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
15:06:11 <Andi> scribe: Andi
15:06:15 <Andi> topic: bugs
15:07:08 <Zakim> +Felix
15:07:48 <Andi> 7117: Close
15:08:06 <Andi> topic: Introduction to the UAI TF for Simon
15:08:31 <Andi> CS: Couple of things we're trying to do in this TF
15:09:05 <Andi> CS: First, is to finish a document on user agent implementation that Aaron Leventhal started, make it browser neutral
15:09:18 <Andi> CS: Documenting mappings of ARIA to platform accessibility APIs
15:09:37 <Andi> CS: Similar mapping we own is mapping of HTML elements to accessibility APIS
15:10:39 <Andi> CS: Been working largely from IE and Mozilla, need Opera perspective in the group
15:10:58 <Andi> SP: HTML 5 has a mapping from HTML 5 to ARIA, is this a conflicting bit of work?
15:11:08 <Andi> CS: Related but don't think they are conflicting
15:11:16 <Andi> CS: Very much want to keep them in sync
15:12:00 <zcorpan> html5 has a mapping from html to aria in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/content-models.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products-(aria)
15:12:22 <aapi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/User_Agent_Implementation_Task_Force
15:15:11 <Andi> file:///C:/WAI-ARIA/WWW/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/Overview.html#mapping_state-property
15:15:49 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property
15:26:46 <Andi> bug 6891
15:28:14 <Andi> action to everyone to review section 3.8.5 Menus. Be prepared to discuss next week.
15:28:31 <Andi> topic: Next editor's draft
15:29:11 <Andi> Andi updates the editor's draft with each update to the source file
15:29:19 <Andi> topic: Next Working Draft
15:29:33 <Andi> CS: planning for November, what should we focus on for this draft
15:29:41 <Andi> CS: error handling
15:30:20 <davidb> DB: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7119#c3
15:30:46 <Andi> AS: Section 4.1 frames/iframes
15:31:09 <Andi> DB: can we give some examples of frames and frame sources and what the computed names are
15:31:51 <Andi> DB: thinks FF has a bug but wants to know what IE is doing
15:32:00 <Andi> CS: can mock up a couple of pages and see what comes out
15:32:40 <Andi> AS: 7060 Mac mappings
15:33:14 <Andi> CS: if Simon can read the document and let us know what Opera does, that would be really helpful
15:34:16 <davidb> DB: I don't know what "The presentation must be updated for dynamic changes to WAI-ARIA attributes" in our CSS Selector section means.
15:35:01 <Andi> AS: CSS Selectors
15:35:23 <Andi> SP: CSS Selectors seems redundant. Any attribute ends up in the DOM. 
15:35:35 <Andi> SP: Suggests removing the section altogether
15:35:50 <Andi> DB: Having it here means that if you're implementing ARIA you should do that too
15:35:55 <Andi> CS: Wonder if it's just a note
15:36:09 <Andi> CS: To have implemented ARIA, you need to implement CSS selectors
15:36:18 <Andi> SP: Why are they a requirement?
15:36:36 <Andi> DB: basically a SHOULD, way for Web developers to code ARIA-enabled applications
15:36:48 <Andi> DB: more of a best practices things
15:37:04 <Andi> SP: guess ARIA is pretty useless if browser doesn't support CSS Selectors
15:37:34 <Andi> CS: concern that if use classes and presentation changes, ARIA won't get updated
15:38:13 <Andi> bug - CS - find out what IE implements for this
15:40:22 <Andi> AS: for WD in November, need to fill out Actions table (Cynthia) and event table on state/property chnages (David)
15:44:31 <Andi> bug - CS - 3.7 Actions - need to complete second table which describes properties that cause additional actions to be available
15:47:35 <Andi> CS: Plan for 11/9 to have things done for the WD
15:48:20 <Andi> CS: Could be ready to go out as WD around 11/16
15:48:35 <Andi> MC: would like UAIG to go out at the same time as WAI-ARIA draft
15:48:54 <Andi> MC; also want to do WAI-ARIA second LC before end of the year
15:49:40 <Andi> CS: May have to reduce scope to make sure we align with WAI-ARIA draft
15:50:20 <Andi> topic: Work items for next week
15:50:27 <Andi> CS: Action/Events table
15:50:34 <Andi> SP: Read the document and give us feedback
15:52:23 <Andi> DB: 7182
15:52:47 <Andi> AS: Re-format the state/property mapping table to be consistent with the others
15:53:12 <Andi> ALL: Review section 3.8.5 Menus
15:53:15 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
15:53:16 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:53:21 <Zakim> -Simon_Pieters
15:53:26 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:53:26 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:53:26 <Andi> zakim, bye
15:53:28 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aapi
15:53:30 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(ARIA)11:00AM has ended
15:53:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Cooper, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter, Simon_Pieters
15:53:44 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/22-aapi-minutes.html Andi
15:57:36 <Andi> Andi has joined #aapi