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<joakim> scribe: Chris
florian comments the ongoing work for the Semudate2009 paper
different approaches for ontology design are discussed
florian: submission is septembre
... feedback is welcome
Joakim: Topic: Media Fragments WD
... Raphael has asked us for a formal review of “Use cases and
requirements for Media Fragments WG
<veroniqueM> I haven't looked at it yet
Joakim: who plans to read it?
<florian> me not either
<fsasaki> felix can take an action itemto read the document
<wbailer> i plan to read it
<veroniqueM> I will have a look at the document, probably later this week, before next week monday anyway
<fsasaki> probably everybody should just send comments to the list, and we can merge them
<veroniqueM> good idea!
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to read the document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Read the document [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-09-08].
<daniel> long time no talk...glad to see all of you today
Joakim: next item
<fsasaki> felix: sorry, very noise today, so I will type ...
<fsasaki> .. the mail is just FYI, so no action needed for the moment IMO
Joakim: link with Technical Architecture Group
<fsasaki> .. the TAG will probably come to use sooner or later
action-47 for Werner: ongoing
Werner: has now a new
... no changes in work for the WG
raphael: works now as invited expert for the WG due to new employer
<fsasaki> felix: this is ongoing, please keep it open
<fsasaki> .. I have to go through the tables again to check
<raphael> thanks to Veronique and Felix for providing comments on the Media Fragments WD, please, send your comments to our list
action-124 for felix: ongoing
<trackbot> ACTION-130 Create an XSL transformation for the format mapping sheets closed
<raphael> trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Date: 01 September 2009
<trackbot> ACTION-131 Add a datatype column to the format mapping sheets closed
<trackbot> ACTION-132 Add a column for XPath expressions to the format sheets closed
action-134 for David:
action-134 for David: ongoing
action-135 for David: ongoing
action-136 for Joakim: added proposal on the wiki
werner: wonders if all relation types are needed
Joakim: will review the relation types for creator and contributor
action-136 for Joakim: ongoing
Werner: added grouping in the
main summary table
... asks for feedback
<florian> +1 (grouping)
Werner: should we apply the grouping for all other tables?
<raphael> +1 for grouping
<veroniqueM> I think that it makes sense and would improve the readability of the table
Joakim: is the summary table mature enough to extend it to all tables?
<trackbot> ACTION-137 Update attributes table closed
<trackbot> ACTION-145 Elaborate on the API return types (structured and unstructured) by providing examples closed
<trackbot> ACTION-146 Define sub-types for the different properties closed
<trackbot> ACTION-148 -- WonSuk Lee to start work and collaboration on the API draft document -- due 2009-07-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Thierry Michel to check status of Web IDL for web api's -- due 2009-07-03 -- OPEN
Thierry: no clear view yet when
new working draft from the WebApp WG will be published
... will contact them again and report
action-147 for Thierry: ongoing
Wonsuk: work started on the API
... proposed description of each section in the document
... first draft should be made by 15th of September
action-148 for Wonsuk: ongoing
<trackbot> ACTION-149 -- David Singer to review of whole of ontology doc with veronique -- due 2009-07-28 -- OPEN
Veronique: will have a look by next week
action-149 for David (and Veronique): ongoing
<fsasaki> Felix: I have to leave soon, but Dave already answered my questions about http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html already, If you have further feedback about http://www.sasakiatcf.com/felix/ma/02/ and whether it implements correctly http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Strawman_API_design_and_notes , it would be great
<raphael> Could we edit this action into a more meaningful label? such as: Felix to review the Media Fragments WD ?
Florian: IDL seems best for first
... afterwards we could use other language like Java or ECMAScript
<florian> IDL or WebIDL
<joakim> We request that you provide a property to indicate the location of alternate versions
Joakim: no response has been given to the Protocols and Formats WG
<raphael> What is the range of the DCMI isFormatOf property ? is it a litteral or a URI of the mime type ?
Werner: the question posed by the
PFWG is not really clear
... the meaning of "alternate version" is vague
... will forward an answer to the mailing list for approval
<scribe> ACTION: Werner to formulate an answer on the feed back from PFWG (Protocols and Formats WG) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Formulate an answer on the feed back from PFWG (Protocols and Formats WG) [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-09-08].
<joakim> 0. abstract à need to make first draft
<joakim> 1. Introduction à need to make first draft
<joakim> 2. Terminology à firstly add the terms from ontology doc if we need. And then add additional terms if we need.
<joakim> 3. Data type Description à Do anyone have ideas ?
<joakim> 4. API Description à After referred Strawman API design and notes page in wiki, describe draft APIs based on the core properties of ontology doc.
<joakim> 5. Examples of how to use the API(in Java for example(chris), web IDL) à I think it could be covered later after mature of APIs.
<tobias> @Raphael: isFormatOf has domain/range http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Resource; this is defined in the domain/range document issued in in 2007: http://dublincore.org/documents/2007/07/02/domain-range/
<raphael> Joakim: we look for more editors of this doc
Joakim: who is working on the document now
Wonsuk: Florian, Victor, and
... looking for volunteers for each part
... asks feedback on the initial structure of the API doc
Joakim: should we decide who works on which section now?
Florian: maybe it is a bit too early?
<daniel> I recommend to continue this activity in mailing list
<veroniqueM> I think that the paper that some of us are co-writing could be a nice starting point for the API document
<raphael> Is the goal of this doc to document the API ?
<raphael> what would be its status ? a note ?
<veroniqueM> I thought it would be to describe the principles under which the possible implementations are done
Raphael: is the document only
technical (like produced by javadoc) or to explain the entire
API in all it's aspects?
... if it is a guide for implementations it is not really appropriate as a recommendation
Joakim: the document should result in a recommendation
Wonsuk: the goal is to define the API to handle the metadata formats
<veroniqueM> I think that it is important to describe the API in the fashion of the draft paper
Joakim: are we obliged to make a recommendation
<veroniqueM> I could not understand Daniel
<veroniqueM> we have to know what to put in the document for it to be a recommendation sometime :)
Joakim: we need to have a concrete plan for the document
<florian> +1 @ vero
<veroniqueM> we should know what to write...
<florian> that?s exactly what i wanted to say a few minutes ago
Raphael: when the ontology changes the API needs to change accordingly
Joakim: yes, there is a direct link
Raphael: why not use same
structure as ontology document
... grouping properties like in the ontology
Wonsuk: we could use the Semudate paper as a starting base for the API document
Joakim: let's put the deadline on the outline on end of this week
<veroniqueM> I think we should simply remove what is not relevant in this paper for the API document and see what needs to be written
Wonsuk: we should continue this discussion by email
Florian: there are too much undefined topics in the document
maybe somebody should try defining the content of the sections to move on?
<raphael> +1 for someone to better identify the content of each section to move on
Joakim: maybe we can start on some sections
Wonsuk: volunteers for section 4
Joakim: Wonsuk can provide a first version of section 4 (API description)
<raphael> I had a look at other W3C spec, for example the OWLspecification, which also has developed an API
<raphael> note that this API is not part of the spec
<raphael> but the spec contains some general guidelines for the API, see http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#app-DLinRDF
<veroniqueM> +1 to Florian: we should get the content written first, then write the introduction and abstract once we agree on the content
<raphael> in OWL vocab, this is an Annex: Rules of Thumb for OWL DL ontologies
<daniel> This is over...let's keep working on that issue in mailing list
<raphael> Chris: you have normative and non-normative annex
<raphael> ... so if your question is about the status of the annex, then it depends :-)
Veronique: we can describe the API on high level for now as it is done in the paper
<tobias> there is an API specification document by the Geolocation people which has been recently released: http://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API/
<raphael> +1 tobias, and a rec track document
Joakim: Wonsuk will make draft for section 4
<florian> vicotr is writting an api paper
<florian> you should talk to him ;)
<raphael> ah! victor from Spain ?
<raphael> Presents: Chris, Daniel, Joakim, Florian, Veronique, Tobias, Raphael, Wonsuk, Werner
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