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<trackbot> Date: 25 May 2009
CmcC: Finished collecting diffs
wrt first edition
... put in a changes appendix
... all the ones *not* captured by errata
CL: why exclude changes from the eratta?
CMcC: there is a link
CL: People mostly want to know what changed, not necessarily why. Could be confusing
DS: Agree with Chris
CMcC: Please review the diffs
DS: Suggest discussing at f2f
ED: Yes
CMcC: Errata ostly not folded in
yet
... some will not be clean patches due to other overlappig
updates, so be careful when applying them.
DS: There are 66 errata in total
CMcC: Split them up and assign them?
DS: Yes
AG: So 11 each
DS: Split the complex ones evenly
CMcC: Prefer to have the spec ready to publish at the end of the f2f.
DS: Cameron, hand out tasks
CL: Yes, go for it
CMcC: Got errata published
CL: Can fix encoding issue with .htaccess file
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-htaccess-charset
CMcC: Some actions need to be
done before f2f
... will sift through tracker and add actions to that list
ED: What about test cases?
CMcC: Not all errata have tests, some diffs may need tests also
AG: Cat 2 and 1 errata will not need test cases, mostly
ED: Some tests in the old repository, need to dig them out
CMcC: Who will look for missing tests?
<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-cases/
<ed> (that's the old tests)
AG: We should add tests as we add in errata, spreads the load
CMcC: OK so I will do the non-errata tests and the people allocated errata should add the tests too
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to identify test cases needed for changes in the changes appendix for 1.1SE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2573 - Identify test cases needed for changes in the changes appendix for 1.1SE [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-01].
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to allocate errata fold-in tasks to active WG embers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2574 - Allocate errata fold-in tasks to active WG members [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-01].
CMcC: Decided to go for just before SVGOpen
<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009
DS: Only advantage of afterwards is immediate update from the conference. But before is fine
CMcC: JWAtt, is Mozilla ok to host a meeting?
JW: Waiting to hear back
CMcC: Workshops are higher priority as needs more space
JW: Mozilla also moving buildings which complicates things
DS: Will be looking at the space
at Google, next week. Could ask if they would host us, its just
one room.
... Or we could rotate around the cafes .....
(discussion of the number and size of workshops at svg open)
http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html
DS: Mini-TPAC was seen as
competing with main tpac so we can't do it.
... some of us may attend anyway to do coordination rather than
svg wg specific stuff
... call-in for specific topics also a possibility
CMcC: Want to get topics arranged in advance
DS: There is a USD 50/day charge for TPAC this year
AG: still getting approval for
TPAC
... depends on travel-ban for health scare stuff
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/NCF2F2009
DS: So we have errata checking for publication of 1.1SE by end of the meeting
CMcC: What else
ED: Thought there was an action to fill this in already?
Please fill in the registration form http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/NC2009/
<ed> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-svg-minutes.html#item03
CL: Need list of CSS-SVG coord topics for CSS f2f agenda. Then the results can be disussed at svg the week after
CMcC: Module reports and issues arising
ED: Folding in the applying filters to html stuff that roc sent in
CL: Good idea
CMcC: Also add goals for the meeting
Topic; ISSUE-2273: Should negative index values raise INDEX_SIZE_ERR
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2273
Does not raise an index size error exception
CMcC: Param is unsigned long so
no negative numbers possible anyway
... would be casrt to unsigned int
... which other methods raise this?
ED: replaceItem, getItem
... SVG not the only spec to face this issue
CMcC: Older specs that don't reference WebIDL
<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-FF21A306
ED: DOM3Core hasan insertData which throws on negative even though ther parameter is unsigned long
CMcC: touint32 tends to be used
CL: so it would re-interpret the bit pattern and end up with a huge number not a negative one
CcC: Yes
... need to test implementations
... with large magnitude negative numbers
... not sure without testing first
ED: Don't think iplementations
throw exception, but some may flag as a security breach
... or crash
... s a hint to trap this is good. Prefer throwing to be
consistent.
CMcC: Agree, and tend more to
removing it rather than adding it here
... could mention in ecmascript binding appendix
ED: Yes, that makes more sense
JW: Out of our scope surely
... converted before SVG even sees it
CMcC: yes, not our layer. But unless WebIDL is referenced we can either not mention it, leave it undefined, or document current practice
JW: Prefer to see this as authoring guidelines
CL: sounds like good wording
CMcC: Prefer that wording and removing the negative index exception
ED: OK
Resolution: We will remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods
<ed> "INDEX_SIZE_ERR: Raised if the index number is negative or greater than or equal to numberOfItems." -> "INDEX_SIZE_ERR: Raised if the index number is greater than or equal to numberOfItems."
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods and mention in changes appendix in 1.1SE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2575 - Remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods and mention in changes appendix in 1.1SE [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-01].
ED: What to edit?
CMcC: Edit the IDL file, the
appendix inclusion is automatic
... and edit the changes appandix manually
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-svg-minutes.html#item07
ISSUE-2042?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2042 -- Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2042
DS: Robin did clarify somewhat but not completely
<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009May/0041.html
CL: Needs more discussion
DS: A middle ground is to allow xlink: to be dropped, and also allow src as well as href in places where html allows it
AG: Concerned about backwards compatibility
CMcC: Yes, prefer to se html
compat rather than an xlink rewrite
... leads into a wider discussion at f2f
DS: Want to see a serious
discussion about enhanced gradients
... deigners using multiple gradients and blur, but its
awkward
CL: three possibilities have been discussed, diffusion curves, trimesh and coons patches
AG: diff curves paper used OpenGL
accelleration, but was done in 2 passes
... the last blur step is the performance killer, if there is
no hw accel
CmcC: Good to have more info on these for f2f
(chris describes image borders and drop shadows in css3)
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to check with Opera implementors on css3 image borders, slicing/scaling and SVG use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2576 - Check with Opera implementors on css3 image borders, slicing/scaling and SVG use [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-01].
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