<csma> item+ Admin

<csma> agendum+ Admin

<csma> agendum+ Liaisons

<csma> agendum+ Debrief F2F13

<csma> agendum+ Actions review

<csma> agendum+ AOB

<ChrisW> ping

<ChrisW> hello

<josb> if anyone read the wiki page, we can discuss lists in RIF-RDF combinations

<scribe> scribe: Dave Reynolds

<scribe> ScribeNick: DaveReynolds

F2F13 debrief

<scribe> Closed almost all open issues.

Chris: question to Dave - implementation plans?

Dave: we have been doing some implementation of Core in support of OWL 2 RL and doing some write up of that
... whether we extend that to a full Core implementation is under discussion, not defined at the moment

<johnhall> p62 johnhall

Christian: does that include SWC

<johnhall> ??p623 is me

Dave: not the embeddings, just the ability to execute over the triple mappings

<johnhall> thanks

Josb: the OWL embedding can be restricted to the parts of RL that don't have the equality implementations and that restricted part can be embedded in Core
... will you (Dave) implement that?

Dave: undefined sorry, can't rule in or out at the moment

Csma: Agreed to take Core, DTB, PRD to Last Call; BLD and SWC as Second Last Call

<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/meeting/2009-04-17

Csma: make decision to publish on May 12th
... so only two weeks buffer time before end of the working group

<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/LastCallPlan

<AdrianP> I cannot join the call it says the call center is restricted?

<AdrianP> maybe you need to increase the number of allowed participants in Zakim?

Csma: developed plan for all the worked needed for each document, plus reviewers and due date. See link above.
... if decide to publish on May 12th, can do publication on May 19, allow 4 weeks for comments takes us to mid June

<johnhall> Adrian - I got that response for the UK number, but got in on the USA number

Chris: one month to respond to comments then move to CR mid July
... two implementations of each spec then move to PR, target 1st October for end of CR

Csma: optimistic schedule, request 6m extension to cover this period, no F2F during extension, reduced frequency of telecons
... Also reviewed test cases, accepted some, some to be reworked.
... notes that everyone survived the RIF last supper

<AdrianP> I tried with the US number - still the same message

<ChrisW> so says christ de Sainte marie

Dave: any significant issues with FLD?

Sandro: discussed what FLD implementation would be, would like to see more dialects based on FLD beyond the existing ones, ideally two independent uses
... no working group decisions on that yet

Harold: maybe extensions based on FLD external to the working group would count?

Csma: yes, that would be execellent
... the conclusion was to move FLD to last call, then call for implementation. The decision of whether to go all the way to Rec will depend on what implementations there are.

<johnhall> Adrian - did you use 74394# (RIF) or 743773# (PRD)?

Admin

Action review

Adrian: fixed test cases completing actions action-787, action-788, action-789, action-790

action-783 done :-)

Action-781 (list test cases) completed. Email sent to list.

Gary: Action-780 done but the result crashed the schema checker.

Harold: quite common, make sure you do a deep reload.

Sandro: there are better validators, check list of implementations on WG page?

Josb: just tried xsv again and this time it passed without errors.

<sandro> Gary, http://www.w3.org/XML/Schema#Tools has a list that's a little too long to be very helpful. :-)

Harold: Action-758, made progress but continued.

Action-751 complete

Action-748 complete (redundant with 751)

Action-734 complete

Josb: see email and respond with any comments

AOB

Harold: suggestion that we continue to collect outreach efforts for RIF, e.g. publications relating to RIF.

Could have page about RIF related publications.

<scribe> ACTION: Harold start publications page with first entry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-794 - Start publications page with first entry [on Harold Boley - due 2009-04-28].

<csma> ACTION: harold to start RIF publications page on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-795 - Start RIF publications page on the wiki [on Harold Boley - due 2009-04-28].

Jos: finished proposal for using lists with RDF/RIF combinations
... two proposals - decide whether to include at all (in SWC) and if so which variant

<Harold> +1

0

<ChrisW> -1 havent read it

<sandro> -1 but only because I'm wanting a short meeting

Csma: put on agenda for next week

<scribe> ACTION: csma to put correspondence between RIF and RDF lists on next week's agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-796 - Put correspondence between RIF and RDF lists on next week's agenda [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-04-28].

Move to adjorn

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